Billiards and PEDs
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Icarus was a good film, and aside from the do-anything attitude, I dont find parallels to the pool world.
The Russian government likes to gain an edge. In the pro pool world, being on the road, staying in new places frequently, not really having a place to settle down and call home. Flying, travelling through airports, dealing with new people constantly. That takes a toll on the body.
I don't even like driving to the pool hall after a week of work.
Pro players travel far and wide, any edge that can help them rest and recover while travelling definitely gives them a leg up.
Some tournaments have late matches only to result in someone having an early match the next day. Leaving little time for rest and recovery, that is where the PEDs can help. If you don't like PEDs call them recovery tools.
In other industries I know stories of substance users using them to enhance their work performance. Professional cyclists, pitchers, bodybuilders, actors, track stars, it doesn't even have to be highly paid faces either. It could be people with high stress jobs that use it to cope. Elon Musk smokes marijuana and his net worth is nearing billions. Marion Barry, Michael Jackson, ... The list will never end.
I don't use PEDs. If no one discusses the topic does that mean no one has tried. Billiards is going for Olympic recognition. The Russian government has the most cases of doping its athletes and getting caught.
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I know someone on specific drugs that has been known to give some to a good regional pool player now and again, and in effect, the drug allowed the player to play his absolute top speed for something like 4-6 hours.
Will this particular drug improve one's technical skill in the game? No.
Will this particular drug allow one to pretty much enter "The Zone" and stay there for a protracted amount of time, assuming the player was in relatively good stroke to begin with? In my opinion, yes.
And for certain players, they are a good solid 2-3 game favorite over 80% of the field just by paying their entry fee. Certain PEDs can give them a 1-2 game edge over the 20% of the field they play even with or slightly under.
Now, what I find interesting about Mario He is that he won two Eurotour titles in 2016/2017.... I'd like to know when exactly his medication was changed? I find it quite plausible that someone like Mario He is pretty much gonna remain at a level where finishes no higher than top 16 in a world championship, and might look for a little edge to get him over that hump. Some players of a very high skill level, nevertheless might never make it over that hump without a little help.
I am not by any means saying he intentionally took anything, just that his overall performance seemed to indicate that he wasn't going to progress much from his current level, and that some players are just not cool with accepting their ceiling.
Now.. To address the umbrella topic of PEDs, I do know that my coworker was a competitive cyclist, and emphatically states that EVERYONE at the international level who is consistently winning in cycling is on some sort of drug cycle, and that it is a continuous arms race to find PEDs that cannot be detected by modern tests. He said they even went to the extent of oxygenating their blood in the offseason, then withdrawing it, to be reinjected months later during a specific major race. This worked quite well until the governing body found a way to test for it.
Given that I am sure we have a few hundred doctors who are pool groupies, I virtually guarantee that there are some that are willing to offer some assistance to their favorite player, and have the knowledge on how to do so without getting caught. To think otherwise is simply naive.
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I think that what many people think of re
eds is that they reveal a monster, when it is really just a turbo. That motor already runs, but now it runs faster.
eds is that they reveal a monster, when it is really just a turbo. That motor already runs, but now it runs faster.
short or long doesn't matter
Mine certainly aren't the only experiences and concerning pool they don't address some of the milder performance enhancers. Short or marathon didn't matter, as I said I usually won early dealing with the dopers. If they wanted to quit I was already up a bet or two. All good. I have never been a professional as some class such things. However there were times when I went months paying two mortgages and all living expenses playing pool. When I needed the money I wasn't upset at all to see somebody trying to get their mix right. A lot more often than not, long session or short they were going to lose money. They almost always thought they were playing a lot better than they were, focusing on a few shots rather than the end result.
A friend had a roofing company, did some patching on the superdome and covered shopping centers and such with a miracle brush on coating. His son and daughters were my age and had decided they and their friends were really gonna spread some material and show the old man something one day. They got aholt of some speed and the entire crew of about a dozen college age kids took some. I was passing by and climbed up to say hello. The son walked up to the old man. "We are really getting a lot done today aren't we?"
"Y'all are brushing like hell but you aren't moving your feet!"
Pretty much covers the old time dopers. Today's dopers, I don't know or care. I play pool for entertainment so I don't have to mess with those I know are doping. Those doping to win can't win any significant cash off of me so they aren't interested in me. Suits me fine, I only play with people I enjoy playing with or hit balls alone these days.
Hu
Mine certainly aren't the only experiences and concerning pool they don't address some of the milder performance enhancers. Short or marathon didn't matter, as I said I usually won early dealing with the dopers. If they wanted to quit I was already up a bet or two. All good. I have never been a professional as some class such things. However there were times when I went months paying two mortgages and all living expenses playing pool. When I needed the money I wasn't upset at all to see somebody trying to get their mix right. A lot more often than not, long session or short they were going to lose money. They almost always thought they were playing a lot better than they were, focusing on a few shots rather than the end result.
A friend had a roofing company, did some patching on the superdome and covered shopping centers and such with a miracle brush on coating. His son and daughters were my age and had decided they and their friends were really gonna spread some material and show the old man something one day. They got aholt of some speed and the entire crew of about a dozen college age kids took some. I was passing by and climbed up to say hello. The son walked up to the old man. "We are really getting a lot done today aren't we?"
"Y'all are brushing like hell but you aren't moving your feet!"
Pretty much covers the old time dopers. Today's dopers, I don't know or care. I play pool for entertainment so I don't have to mess with those I know are doping. Those doping to win can't win any significant cash off of me so they aren't interested in me. Suits me fine, I only play with people I enjoy playing with or hit balls alone these days.
Hu
The problem is what one person needs to be on even keel others use to enhance performance and its hard to say which is which and they simply don't have the same affect ,, someone with anxiety issues cant double dose and get the same result as someone who doesn't that's not how it works however someone who needs it and cant use it is certainly at a decided disadvantage that they need to overcome ,, that's a hard trick to turn
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I would think a necessary component of any formal ped policy would be the inclusion of a provision for theraputic use...allowing those who need the medication for legitimate reason to have it and compete.
Of course, now you need a medical review board and probably a lawyer to respond to resulting push back...and money for testing and correspondence and a system for tracking all the actions and someone to write the policy and someone to be available for athletes' questions.
And we will be withholding 30% of all entry fees to fund the 'improvement'.
How you like me now?
Of course, now you need a medical review board and probably a lawyer to respond to resulting push back...and money for testing and correspondence and a system for tracking all the actions and someone to write the policy and someone to be available for athletes' questions.
And we will be withholding 30% of all entry fees to fund the 'improvement'.
How you like me now?
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Jarring
The old timers didn't have Visine in the bottle. Others just saw the bottle or the user might have even claimed it was Visine. Next thing you know some people were jarring with Visine which I heard was pretty awful. If you really didn't like a person you could always give them a shitmickey which is just what it sounds like!
I thought I was jarred a couple times, after that if my beer was ever out of sight I never touched it again.
Hu
PSA:
Stay away from the PEDs (performance enhancing drugs) kids. Instead, jar your opponent. It is a far more reliable way to take home the cheddar! :duck:
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The old timers didn't have Visine in the bottle. Others just saw the bottle or the user might have even claimed it was Visine. Next thing you know some people were jarring with Visine which I heard was pretty awful. If you really didn't like a person you could always give them a shitmickey which is just what it sounds like!
I thought I was jarred a couple times, after that if my beer was ever out of sight I never touched it again.
Hu
Make no mistake, I was joking (for those with no sense of humor). :thumbup:
Just to note, Visine can kill a person taken internally, it will not act as a laxative. It acts as a toxin. The visine/shitmickey thing is mostly urban legend. There are shitmickeys, but they dont involve the eyedrops.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/visine-diarrhea-prank/
agree 100%
Nothing wrong with my sense of humor, just a little nervous somebody would take the Visine seriously. It has happened in the past. Don't want someone very ill or dead over a joke. I had somebody saddling a horse to take it to a nearby carwash for a hot high pressure wash and hot wax after I told him that was why my horse was always so shiney!
I do know what was in some of the Visine bottles and that was bad enough. Never jarred anyone but I have to admit a shitmickey was a real temptation for a few jerks I encountered regularly. Knew the recipe long ago but that is forgotten. Just as well I suspect!
Happy New Year!
Hu
Make no mistake, I was joking (for those with no sense of humor). :thumbup:
Just to note, Visine can kill a person taken internally, it will not act as a laxative. It acts as a toxin. The visine/shitmickey thing is mostly urban legend. There are shitmickeys, but they dont involve the eyedrops.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/visine-diarrhea-prank/
Nothing wrong with my sense of humor, just a little nervous somebody would take the Visine seriously. It has happened in the past. Don't want someone very ill or dead over a joke. I had somebody saddling a horse to take it to a nearby carwash for a hot high pressure wash and hot wax after I told him that was why my horse was always so shiney!
I do know what was in some of the Visine bottles and that was bad enough. Never jarred anyone but I have to admit a shitmickey was a real temptation for a few jerks I encountered regularly. Knew the recipe long ago but that is forgotten. Just as well I suspect!
Happy New Year!
Hu
Wasnt talking about your sense of humor.
Poisoning is a crime. Hope no one is that fookin stupid. :thumbup:
Thanks!
Thanks! I didn't assume that "no sense of humor" was pointed at me. Unfortunately I know of some small time dipsticks in halls not that far from me that might jar somebody for a hundred dollars. A handful more that might do it for five hundred or a thousand. Bright they aren't. I can picture one of those idiots going, "Ah Visine!" and off to the drugstore.
I know we can't idiot proof the internet but I can't help trying! I have a dry sense of humor that got me in a good bit of trouble in my early days on the net. I have to telegraph stuff so much so that almost everyone gets it that it takes the fun out of a lot of humor now.
Hu
Thanks! I didn't assume that "no sense of humor" was pointed at me. Unfortunately I know of some small time dipsticks in halls not that far from me that might jar somebody for a hundred dollars. A handful more that might do it for five hundred or a thousand. Bright they aren't. I can picture one of those idiots going, "Ah Visine!" and off to the drugstore.
I know we can't idiot proof the internet but I can't help trying! I have a dry sense of humor that got me in a good bit of trouble in my early days on the net. I have to telegraph stuff so much so that almost everyone gets it that it takes the fun out of a lot of humor now.
Hu
