>>>>>>>>>>>> Black Boar AS2 With Lizard Wrap -- NEAR MINT/MINT & STRAIGHT <<<<<<<<<<<

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Wow...this is one of the reasons buying cues has lost its luster with me and many others. Marcus,Doug,Chris are all stand up guys who have earned my and many others respect for there post on this thread. I hear alot of times guys say I was going to say something but then I would be on there $hit list and maybe not be able to get a cue from them I liked so I'll just say nothing. Hopefully this thread wont get pulled because this stuff needs to be known.
 
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I really love mac-n-cheese... Wished I made $300-$375hr - I bet I could buy a mega-shit-ton of mac-n-cheese then....
 
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1pRoscoe said:
I really love mac-n-cheese... Wished I made $300-$375hr - I bet I could buy a mega-shit-ton of mac-n-cheese then....
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And that, I say that, is a lot of carbos!

Don't think too much about that $300-375 an hour, my friend, you know
what Nietzsche said about looking into the abyss........

-von
 
No need for me to comment on the obvious or give my opinion, but I would like to ask that the moderators do not erase this thread. To many of these get pulled and future AZ members get taken advantage of because of it

Thanks,

Dr.1
 
Jimmyrayk said:
I would rather have all my fingers and toes removed with a hammer and chisel, get a sulfuric acid enima and have me eyes gouged out with a ice pick than buy a cue from Mike Gartland.

Hope I spelled everything right....................

JimmyK
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Jimmy,
I need to put this post on my signature.
By far my favorite of all times on AZ :lol:
 
CMD said:
THAT IS A LIE!

I am sick of reading all of these posts. Mike, you knew the handle was replaced by Mike Webb. I sold you that cue for $1300! The wrap alone cost $300 from Kenny Koo.

I was taken advantage of by Tank138 last year on this cue. Tank did not list this cue for sale. I approached him. I do not blame him for his asking price because I thought I was getting a collectible cue according to HIS description. I trade a mint Ebony nosed South West with all the rings and matching SW jp's. I also included a mint PFD merry widow cue made out of Masur Birch. This was over $3500 in trade value. I also gave him $175 in cash. He is probably still laughing at my ignorance for that deal. That's OK, I have still have my dignity.

The real problem for me started a month after the deal was complete. I read a thread on AZ saying the older BB's "buzzed" in the forearm. I ran to my basement to check my newly acquired cue. IT BUZZED! I immediately contacted Tank. I wanted the cue fixed by Tony. He said he would not pay for that. Then he said he would have Mike Webb make the repair. I had no choice but to agree.

When I received the cue back from Tank about a month later it looked great. No buzz and no problems what so ever. After a few months I wanted to place a value on the cue. I heard anywhere from $2100-$2400. At this point I started to get upset. I sent the cue to Kenny Koo for a real lizard wrap to help increase the value of the cue.

At VF I heard this cue was only worth $1200-$1500. I was so disgusted, I made the best deal possible. That was with Mike Gartland. What he tries to sell this cue for is his business. My reputation WILL NOT BE QUESTIONED because of this cue. If anything I was too honest. I caledc TAnk a few days before VF to ask him why he sold me this lemon and his reply was "why did you draw attention by posting the cue was repaired?". I said because I am an honest person and I do NOT want to deceive anyone.

Christopher Dickey
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Chris,
Good seeing you at the expo. What I am about to say pertains to everyone reading the thread. I am not doubting what you said here, however, here is the problem. You went back to Tank a MONTH after you purchased the cue. Now as a cue dealer myself, I would have a hard time justifying any remedy because I don't know what transpired in those 4 weeks. I know you'll say well I never used it, it sat in my closet, and I respect all that. But from a sellers perspective, that's a really hard call to make.

Now this isn't about Tank or Mike "I want my 25 dollars" Gartland. But I recommend to everyone that once you make a purchase and your good with it, and you tell the person you're buying it from it's all good. You cannot come back 2 weeks, 3 weeks, 4 weeks, 6 months, a year and expect a full refund. It's not going to happen, IMHO. Now Tank might have never checked for the buzz either, in fact I know a lot of cue buyers wouldn't know a cue buzz from the buzz of a bumble bee. That's why we recommend Marks book.. The Pool Cue Book.. :)

I feel for you and what happened, however how long does a cue seller, dealer or everyday shmoe, stay married to a cue?

JV
 
classiccues said:
Chris,
Good seeing you at the expo. What I am about to say pertains to everyone reading the thread. I am not doubting what you said here, however, here is the problem. You went back to Tank a MONTH after you purchased the cue. Now as a cue dealer myself, I would have a hard time justifying any remedy because I don't know what transpired in those 4 weeks. I know you'll say well I never used it, it sat in my closet, and I respect all that. But from a sellers perspective, that's a really hard call to make.

Now this isn't about Tank or Mike "I want my 25 dollars" Gartland. But I recommend to everyone that once you make a purchase and your good with it, and you tell the person you're buying it from it's all good. You cannot come back 2 weeks, 3 weeks, 4 weeks, 6 months, a year and expect a full refund. It's not going to happen, IMHO. Now Tank might have never checked for the buzz either, in fact I know a lot of cue buyers wouldn't know a cue buzz from the buzz of a bumble bee. That's why we recommend Marks book.. The Pool Cue Book.. :)

I feel for you and what happened, however how long does a cue seller, dealer or everyday shmoe, stay married to a cue?

JV
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I'd think most of us would've worked a deal out with the trade (for Chris). There are still a few good sellers out there that will stand behind the deals they make.....
 
Jimmyrayk said:
I would rather have all my fingers and toes removed with a hammer and chisel, get a sulfuric acid enima and have me eyes gouged out with a ice pick than buy a cue from Mike Gartland.

Hope I spelled everything right....................

JimmyK
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REP for you sir.


chris G<-----did check your spelling
 
1pRoscoe said:
I'd think most of us would've worked a deal out with the trade (for Chris). There are still a few good sellers out there that will stand behind the deals they make.....
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Again, How long would YOU stay married to a cue? Tank worked a deal, he had Mike Webb fix it, if I read it correctly. I know optimally Tony should have fixed it, BUT again you have a 4 week window in which anything could have happened.

It's not about being a good seller or bad, it's about how long do you maintain ownership of the cue as the seller after you have sold it? (---this is the ?????

Example: I sell a 1k cue to a player, he plays in bars sometimes and het gets drunk and leaves the cue in his car. The finish pops off the rings. Do I owe him a cue?

I sell a cue to a guy that lives here in the North East where we have had recent flooding, his cue floats by the hot water heater on the way out of the house.. Do I owe him a cue?

I sell a cue and the guy and the cue disappears for a month, he suddenly shows up with the butt and handle separated. Do I OWE him a cue?

JV
 
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the bottom line is this..........Mike(aka Quality Cues) made a mistake. He has hundreds of positive transactions accumulated through personal deals as well as AZ. If this is the start of a pattern, i will have absolutely no mercy in my pursuit to ban Mike from this forum......this is not a unknown seller with zero iTrader, he made a mistake....

BTW, i purchased the BlackBoar of death! :eek:

i will let everyone know how it plays as compared to the other two black boars of the same era that are used as daily players by locals at my local pool hall.
 
Jimmyrayk said:
I would rather have all my fingers and toes removed with a hammer and chisel, get a sulfuric acid enima and have me eyes gouged out with a ice pick than buy a cue from Mike Gartland.

Hope I spelled everything right....................

JimmyK
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Well said Jimmy, you crack me up!
David
 
classiccues said:
Chris,
Good seeing you at the expo. What I am about to say pertains to everyone reading the thread. I am not doubting what you said here, however, here is the problem. You went back to Tank a MONTH after you purchased the cue. Now as a cue dealer myself, I would have a hard time justifying any remedy because I don't know what transpired in those 4 weeks. I know you'll say well I never used it, it sat in my closet, and I respect all that. But from a sellers perspective, that's a really hard call to make.

Now this isn't about Tank or Mike "I want my 25 dollars" Gartland. But I recommend to everyone that once you make a purchase and your good with it, and you tell the person you're buying it from it's all good. You cannot come back 2 weeks, 3 weeks, 4 weeks, 6 months, a year and expect a full refund. It's not going to happen, IMHO. Now Tank might have never checked for the buzz either, in fact I know a lot of cue buyers wouldn't know a cue buzz from the buzz of a bumble bee. That's why we recommend Marks book.. The Pool Cue Book.. :)

I feel for you and what happened, however how long does a cue seller, dealer or everyday shmoe, stay married to a cue?

JV
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Hi Joe,

It was nice seeing you too.

Now that the pleasant greeting are over, what are you talking about? You are the lone defender of Tank. This thread has been going on for days and it blew up today. EVERYONE has seen this thread. Why hasn't Tank come on to defend himself? I do not have to justify anything to you. You were not involved in the deal. I traded away two very nice cues and cash for what I thought was a collectible cue. I played with the SW (big pin) and a few days before I received my first Sugartree. I have played with one ever since. I am the very proud father of twin boys who are 20 months old. At that time I was a stay at home Dad taking care of them. I honestly did not play with the cue. I am not everyone else. I AM A MAN OF HIS WORD.

I realized it was a month later. The cues I traded were already sold. I just wanted the cue repaired. Little did I know at the time, Tank knew there was a problem with the cue BEFORE we made the deal. Ask Tank how much he paid for the cue. Ask him who paid for the repair. I have found out some not so good truths over the last several months.

WOULD YOU SELL/TRADE A CUE THAT YOU KNEW WAS DAMAGED?


I doubt it. You have a much better reputation than that. Whether or not the cue was damaged he overcharged me! There are two problems I have with that. Have you ever been taken for $2500? Then you found out that person you trusted knew he was screwing you.

As far as Mark's book - It SUCKS for pricing...

Not that it matters but if that cue was everything I thought it was, I would have kept for my sons to treasure. Don't judge or think of what I will or will not do with a cue because YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHO I AM!

As of now YOU are the ONLY defender of Tank.

Why is that?


Christopher Dickey
 
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