Blasting us low post count members

tk_it_ez

tk_it_ez

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It seems as though most people would like this MB to grow and have more people take an active role in expressing their opinions. I was just reading another thread and something really got to me that I have seen on numerous occasions. Do some of the "regular posters" on here know why some of us lurkers don't post most of the time? If someone has a low post count, say under 50, and they post something that the majority does not like or does not agree with, they get blasted over the whole low post count thing.

I will be the first to admit that if I see two posters arguing over an opinion and one person has a 1000 posts compared to someone with 1 post I will usually give the benefit of the doubt to the 1000 post person. But most of that comes down to if I have read, agree with or respect the person's opinions from other posts of theirs that I have read.

I believe my post count is around 30 right now but it may be lower than that, don't know for sure until this gets posted. If I ordered a cue from so and so cuemaker that usually does a good job and the points came out uneven and the inlays were not good and I posted something about it on here I would bet good money that one of the first things I will get blasted over is my low post count. Why???? Everyone on here can see my post count. Let them take that into consideration when they make their own decision about the issue. That doesn't mean to totally disregard someones opinion or experiences. Can't anyone come up with anything better than "don't listen to him, look at his post count". I am sure that many of the 1000 post people know someone, that will never post on here, that knows more about pool and cues than we ever will. (Just to clarify, I am not one of those people) If they would for some reason decide to post and then get blasted over a low post count, do you think they will ever come back?

Sorry if this is in the wrong forum. Seemed to me that this is where it should go since it has to do with posting opinions about pool and cues. Mr. Wilson, feel free to move it if you think it belongs in NPR.

Final word from a low post count member (lurker). Please don't blast a person's opinions or experiences just because of a low post count, but take it into consideration if you want. You just might miss out on some good info or on a good story later on if you run people off after their first few posts.

Just my 2 cents,

Nathan:)
 
One other thing that I forgot to point out is that some of the high post count members, a minority of them, rack up the posts with junk posts. I could rack up 500 posts in no time if I wanted to post nothing all the time. I get a feeling that some members only post to get their counts up. I'm sure that many of you know some of the members that I am talking about. 10% real posts, 90% junk posts.

Nathan
 
tk_it_ez said:
One other thing that I forgot to point out is that some of the high post count members, a minority of them, rack up the posts with junk posts. I could rack up 500 posts in no time if I wanted to post nothing all the time. I get a feeling that some members only post to get their counts up. I'm sure that many of you know some of the members that I am talking about. 10% real posts, 90% junk posts.

Nathan
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Nathan, I total agree with you here. There are allot of posters who use this forum and many others as a place to post Non-pool / billiard related material as a way to build their reputation.

There are also little groups of posters who on a frequent basis give each other reputation points for this material.

This also bothers me, but it is not our place to complain about this, as long as they use the designated category for this material, and these people use it.

However, I do not agree with the other part of your post at all. What I see many times are new posters like those you have outlined who enter posts without the proper knowledge of the subject of the post.

This can be avoided by doing research within the forums data base before making foolish comments or by entering the post and asking questions if you do not understand something. Someone asking a question is seeking knowledge, and this is not stupidity, this is an intelligent way of gaining information. Someone speaking from a lack of knowledge without asking a question, however gives the appearance of being stupid and this there is know excuse for.

Many times new posters will say things that they feel are correct, but can not back them up, and this is a good way to look like a fool on any subject when you have a brain trust of individuals well schooled listening to point less nonsense that occurs here and on other forum's.

I suspect what I am saying is, it is better to either ask questions or to keep quit than to open your mouth and let everyone know that you have no clue what you are talking about. Because once you do this your creditability is kind of shot and first impressions are very long lasting.

Hope this helps

Manwon
 
Manwon, I agree that sometimes new posters jump in over their heads. On most pool subjects I would be over my head. I come here to enjoy myself and try to learn as much as I can. I will also gladly help someone else if I can.

My point was that there are people that are very experienced with pool that don't post often. Everyone starts at 1 post.

My example was if I came on here and told about a bad experience with a well known cuemaker everyone would start laying into me because of my low post count and tell others to not listen to me. Instead, everyone that has had a good experience should post such instead of accusing people of having a hidden agenda. And yes, I will agree that sometimes posters do have a hidden agenda, and they could have 5 or 5000 posts.

This mostly happens when discussing a cuemaker's work, a dealer or something along these lines but it also does happen with other subjects.

I guess I just need more proof that someone has a hidden agenda than just a low post count. Example: 1 negative comment and 100 positive about a cuemaker would be plenty of evidence for me to trust the cuemaker. Nobody needs to point a low post count out to me, I can see it right there on the screen just like everyone else.

Thanks,

Nathan
 
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The way I see it...

I think a lot of people take more into account than just post numbers. If you are posting anonymously vs using your real name etc. If you are posting mostly sales vs adding to discussions of several different forums. I personally sometimes post just to vent frustrations. Not really contributing to any discussion but contributing to my own mental sanity. I post a lot to non-pool related things too. Why? I work 60 hr weeks with pool..sometimes I want to get away...Sometimes I want to offer suggestions for change...sometimes I just want to tell a joke. Everyone has agendas when they come online, just that some are financial and some are not. I value all posters comments. I disagree with some of them but as a business owner it is always important to keep your ears and eyes open to new viewpoints so that you can move forward with new ideas. Its also important to all of us just to have fun and make pool better for everyone involved. The general public that is not obsessed with pool financially supports the people that ARE obsessed with it. Without the bangers or lurkers or whatever you want to label them....most pool players would be without a place to play. They are the ones I personally want to hear MORE from. The guys and gals that cannot run more than two balls. They are the ones I want to keep coming back to my room. Those are the ones that are afraid to speak up because of being a novice. Those are the ones I wish I could convince that their voice DOES need to be heard. My $0.02. :)
 
As one of the more prolific posters here, I can tell you that a lot of my count was due to a cue survey, tournament pictures where I labeled each one separately, and jokes in the NPR forum. I also try to catch birthdays when I can.

Some of the things I post may be meaningless to some, but I know that a little word here or there can brighten someone's day. It is not meant to boost post counts (I am trying to lower mine! :p ) or to garner rep points, although those are nice too. It is just me. I talk a lot in real life too. :D

As far as the rice comment, I don't get it, but I hope it wasn't derogatory. :o

I do agree that sometimes people with low post counts have been made to feel inferior or somehow not have credibility. Just like pool playing, we all started out not knowing how to hold the cue! And we all have the ability to get to a credible level. ;)
 
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the old adage of quality vs quantity.

ive been regestered for a while, but never actually actively posted or really looked through the fourms till i started looking for a cue. now i cant help but chime in with my 2 cents whenever theres a topic i can contribute to :)

in response to what you said about people bashing the low count posters, i think it all really has to do with the content of your post.
 
There were times when new posters just jump in into arguments, curse everybody. You suspects that he was an old timer registering new screen name. So wether low posts or gazillion posts we threat everybody the same. We just don't know who are new registrants or old timers. I've been here for awhile but I got just over 220 posts. I come here to read news and do few comments. No arguments for me.
 
ioCross said:
it all really has to do with the content of your post.
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This is true. If someone brings up post count as their sole argument for why everyone should disregard a new forum member, you really ought to add them to your ignore list. I saw a recent new post from a low-count poster that was obviously aimed at stirring the pot, and not many people mentioned his low post count. They sure mentioned how horribly obvious his intentions were, but not so much the post count. It truly is the content that matters.
 
Hierovision said:
This is true. If someone brings up post count as their sole argument for why everyone should disregard a new forum member, you really ought to add them to your ignore list. I saw a recent new post from a low-count poster that was obviously aimed at stirring the pot, and not many people mentioned his low post count. They sure mentioned how horribly obvious his intentions were, but not so much the post count. It truly is the content that matters.
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yeah i have yet to feel like i wasnt welcome in any of the threads i've posted on. granted i havent really posted on anything too controversial yet.

also im one of those people that usually have something to say when i speak (well aside from this post but its late/early so cut me some slack) so it's not like i like to hear/see the sound/letters of my voice/post.
 
I don't think the quantity of posts has any bearing on the value of one's post. I've seen, and still see daily, people with high post counts who never have a useful thing to say. Yet, for example, Roadie's first post, was one of the best I had seen here, and he continues to add lucid, pertinent, well presented additions as his total grows. That is not to say that all those with high post totals have nothing to say, either. Rackemsucker is a highly intelligent woman who consistently impresses me with the quality of her thoughts and her ability to express them.
 
I think post numbers have nothing to do with a post...if you want to post a post or respond to a post do it. If you believe you have something to offer or have an opinion on someones post, Just Do It.

Sometimes your right and sometimes your wrong...so what, that's just part of life. You will find that 99% of the people that post on AZ will not attack you, some may have different thoughts/beliefs or have factual info that may help you and that is what makes the forums so great.

It's all about participation... so jump in and enjoy the abuse (ooops, I mean't the Forums) !

Welcome.
 
A low post count only indicates how often someone makes a comment on the forum. It has nothing to do with their knowledge of pool. In fact, it's quite possible that they are spending more time at the pool table than they are at the computer.
Steve
 
ioCross said:
in response to what you said about people bashing the low count posters, i think it all really has to do with the content of your post.
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I think this is exactly correct.

I also think that anytime someone uses the "low count" argument, I think it's usually part of a (valid) suspicion that someone has just logged on (either a new poster, veteran poster, or banned poster) with a single intent:

To snipe anonymously.

Fred
 
tk_it_ez said:
It seems as though ...they get blasted over the whole low post count thing.

...Just my 2 cents,

Nathan:)
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I wouldn't let it bug you too much. Nobody's $.02 is worth more than another's.

Let the posting continue!:)
 
I look at our Forum in a different way. I see us all sitting around at the local Pool hall talking shop. If a new person want's to join the conversation we will all listen, if they say something stupid they are going to get BBQ'd, if they have some good points to add to the subject, we as a group feel more comfortable with them sitting in with us and they become part of our group. If a subject comes up that we need more information on, we yell over to the old timers playing Golf on the Snooker table.:D

:D
 
lawman888 said:
Look at my threads and see even when i ask a normal question i get blasted by name droppers and those alike
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When you say "my threads," I assume you mean the ones you start, and not just your posts.

You have four. You asked a Viking Tour question, and the man who can answer it the best answered you. No blasting. No name dropping.

You asked about getting a used Diamond Table, and got the very best answer immediately. No blasting, no name dropping.

You asked about action in WVA. You got answers. No blasting. Of course names were mentioned since that was part of your question. Yet you remarked that nobody was answering you because you are new. Did it ever occur to you that nobody answered you (other than the people who answered you) because they aren't from WVA and don't have any answers to give you?

And the fourth, your first line was aimed at stirring the pot. And the pot was stirred, but hardly anything to sneeze at.

What can I possibly be missing?

Fred
 
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lawman888 said:
I could not agree with you more if you are new no matter how much better you play than everyone here you get blasted and not respected by there sick little click, and the bad thing is even the moderator is the same click like persona. Look at my threads and see even when i ask a normal question i get blasted by name droppers and those alike
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I was never Blasted, or Flamed or BBQ'd when I was a newb. I had a very nice welcome. In the almost a year I have been posting, I only had one guy try and start some crap, and I just ignored him. I recently found out he was banned some time ago. The Mods are doing a great job.:)
 
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