Blaze Tour ban

I support Tony's new tour

For those who are not familiar with the Metro NYC pool scene, there is a diverse array of players from the heavy gamblers, tournament players to the socially recreational players (like it is in many parts of the country). With this in mind, some players feel less or more comfortable playing in certain tournaments than others. Whether it's due to the prize funds, tournament setup, usual player roster, room locations, etc., etc., players just don't want to participate in a tournament they feel like they won't fit in.

IMO, Tony's new tour will cater to a lot of the players who have not been participating in the Joss or Blaze tour, and it's mainly due to Tony's image and reputation that will make certain players feel more comfortable to mix and play with the high level of pool play.

I really don't think Burgos and Zuglan will have to worry too much about losing out becuase their tours have been going on for years, and they've developed a loyal roster of players, who I think will continue to play in their tour...and if Tony is sincerely trying to setup a non-conflicting schedule (date-wise and location-wise), then it's going to be all for the best where most the players can play in a tournament in many weekends throughout the year. That's kinda nice!

Me personally, I like to play in the Blaze but it doesn't come to NYC often, and I would like to play the Joss, but it's a bit expensive for me for my level of play. Maybe Tony's tour can cater to me better. I don't know. We'll see. But at least there's this new option, which gives me and other players more opportunities to play in higher level competition, which at times in NYC feels like is lacking.

IMO again, the more tournaments the better for pool.
more play --> better play --> higher quality of pool all around :)
 
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Jude Rosenstock said:
Wow, I seriously think we're all giving the Blaze Tour more credit than it deserves. First place has seen as little as $475 and rarely does it eclipse $1k. Banning Tony Robles from walking my dog will probably have as much impact on his life.

HAHAHAHAHA :o

You're right Jude, it won't affect him personally.
 
GG11 said:
HAHAHAHAHA :o

You're right Jude, it won't affect him personally.


Well, Jasmine might be a little upset but if he's going to be walking other dogs...

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I hope it dont happen but Tony's reputation is at risk because of the person he is partnered with. This is the reason I wont host his tour or play in it.
 
GG11 said:
In starting this tour, Tony's main goal was to host events that would benefit the players and the sport of pool.

Tony has coordinated with Mike Zuglan of the Joss Tour that their two tours will not conflict with one another as this is not the purpose of the tours and will only thin out the tournament's showing. Tony had the same conversation with Jose of the Blaze Tour.

I'm disgusted with the circumstances behind the Blaze Tour banning Tony. He doesn't have a mean bone in his body and for anyone to question his character or motives is absurd. He's been a continuous advocate for the players and the sport of pool. The Blaze Tour should be ashamed of itself.

this is not the first time this type of thing has happened on this tour. but, i guess if you run it, you have the option to determine who plays in it. it is unfortunate the TD cannot separate personal from business.
 
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9balllvr said:
this is not the first time this type of thing has happened on this tour. but, i guess if you run it, you have the option to determine who plays in it. it is unfortunate the TD cannot separate personal from business.

There is alot more to it then that. Some of us knows whats is going on but its none of our business to put it out there out of respect for both people. People should just drop the subject and respect the fact that if Tony got banned there are good reasons for it. How could you not want Tony to play on your tour unless your tour is being effected by it? Just leave it at that.
 
junior718 said:
There is alot more to it then that. Some of us knows whats is going on but its none of our business to put it out there out of respect for both people. People should just drop the subject and respect the fact that if Tony got banned there are good reasons for it. How could you not want Tony to play on your tour unless your tour is being effected by it? Just leave it at that.

this is a public forum - someone posted on this instance and i suggested this is not the first time - personally, i could care less about the Robles incident, the instance i refer to (which i will not relay) is about the TD not being able to keep personal/business separate. as i stated in my previous post, if you run them, you get to choose who plays them.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Wow, I seriously think we're all giving the Blaze Tour more credit than it deserves. First place has seen as little as $475 and rarely does it eclipse $1k. Banning Tony Robles from walking my dog will probably have as much impact on his life.

TAP TAP.....Too you Jude....
 
GG11 said:
Tony was aware of this perception. This is why he personally called and spoke to Mike and Jose BEFORE setting up dates AROUND these two tours. This way it would be a unified front, not a divided one.
This is bizarre. I know Tony and he isn't the type to want to ruffle any feathers which is why it's characteristic of him to call Mike and Jose. I'm also friends with Jose and to ban Tony for something other than being unsportsmanlike is like something out of the Twilight Zone. I guess I'll make a phone call and hear it straight from the horse's mouth as they say. This is weird.
 
frankwhite said:
TAP TAP.....Too you Jude....
Frankooooooo! Wasssup! I love this guy y'all! Ok, back to the subject at hand,

All I can say is that I hate rumors. Especially when it's degrading the character of a person who's been nothing but noble in the sport. But unfortunately, haters exist which brings me to a quote by Coretta Scott King:

Hate is too great a burden to bear. It injures the hater more than it injures the hated.
 
9 Ball Girl said:
This is bizarre. I know Tony and he isn't the type to want to ruffle any feathers which is why it's characteristic of him to call Mike and Jose. I'm also friends with Jose and to ban Tony for something other than being unsportsmanlike is like something out of the Twilight Zone. I guess I'll make a phone call and hear it straight from the horse's mouth as they say. This is weird.

Wendy

Maybe he got banned for wearing this hat in public. I ain't hatin' on Tony, just the fuzzy pink hat.

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Blackjack said:
Wendy

Maybe he got banned for wearing this hat in public. I ain't hatin' on Tony, just the fuzzy pink hat.

WOW!!! Mystery SOLVED!!!! HAHAHA!!

BTW, that's my hand in the pic. I too couldn't miss out on getting that kind of Style No-No committed by a Touring Pro!! :eek:

Thanks for the humor Blackjack!
 
GG11 said:
WOW!!! Mystery SOLVED!!!! HAHAHA!!

BTW, that's my hand in the pic. I too couldn't miss out on getting that kind of Style No-No committed by a Touring Pro!! :eek:

Thanks for the humor Blackjack!

Your welcome. Tony told me you guys ambushed him at Dave & Busters and that the hat wasn't his idea.
 
Ah yes, the Dave & Busters birthday shot! That pic made me LOL cause he's such a good sport and he wore it. Tags and all! Never mind the banning, that hat deserves a public lashing!
 
softshot said:
why don't the women have the same problem???

A great question. Here's the answer: Women's pool is organized. With rare exception, the best women pool players residing in America all aspire to qualify for WPBA events. Only those tours sanctioned by the WPBA can hold qualifying events.

Want to start a new women's regional tour? Go ahead, but it won't be WPBA sanctioned unless the WPBA decides that sanctioning it as a WPBA qualifying tour serves the best interests of women's pro pool in America. If your tour is not WPBA sanctioned, your events are less attractive to the best regional players, so you'll have a harder time attracting the best players in your area.

Want to start a new women's regional tour in New York? Odds are you won't get the WPBA to sanction it, as that's the turf of the NEWT (Northeast Women's tour), which has been a long term success as a WPBA sanctioned qualifying tour in New York. Of course, if you want to have some qualifiers in New York, the WPBA will help you arrange events under the NEWT umbrella.

On the other hand, about six years ago, a Florida based group of ladies recognized that the ladies of Florida could use a tour of their own. As there was no regional tour in Florida, where many exceptional lady players live, the WPBA sanctioned their proposed tour, what is now known as the enormously successful Ladies Spirit Tour.

All the regional tours exist under the WPBA umbrella, and the result is superb organization.
 
The tour that will survive.

Is the tour that gives back the most money to the players.

I know many players that don't like to play on some tours cause they are sick and tired of the promoters making a few hundred a day off entries and calcutta %, when the prize money isn't that hot.

Having played enough pool to do the math.
For most serious players that i know that are looking to profit, all expenses go into the equation.
Not to mention, everything that is taken out before the players prize fund is broken down.

Odds on the prize money definitely comes into play.
Then you look at...

Kickbacks from entry fees back to room owners for "added" prize money %.
The % of the "auction" that goes to the TD simply just for having it.
Plus the fact that we as players don't really KNOW how much sponsorship money is given, and in what forms, and how much is withheld from players pockets.

So having said that, the TOUR that is going to do better, is going to be the one that is GENEROUS.

If you go and pay $50 bucks for an entry, the tour that pays out the BIGGER first prize, and pays out MORE PLACES overall (and not that make the cash line break even or lose money crap), is going to be the tour that pulls players away from other tours.

That might even be a nice tactic.

GIVE EVERYTHING PLUS SOME back to the players, so at least when the promoters tighten up and start benefiting from it, the players aren't going to be all busted up about it.

I really don't play pool that much anymore.
So i could care less about "competing" for a shot at that whole thrill of victory crap.
It has been, and always will be, about the money.
The more i could profit from a tournament after everything is said and done, was always the one that got my cash.

Most guys who have nothing else, and aren't there to have a good time but are there to make some money, are thinking the same thing.
 
I find it interesting that you are battling over TOO many tours.

Out here in California we have zippo. The Pechaur tour we had last year is gone.

Count your blessings.

JMO
SR
 
9 Ball Girl said:
Frankooooooo! Wasssup! I love this guy y'all! Ok, back to the subject at hand,

All I can say is that I hate rumors. Especially when it's degrading the character of a person who's been nothing but noble in the sport. But unfortunately, haters exist which brings me to a quote by Coretta Scott King:

Hate is too great a burden to bear. It injures the hater more than it injures the hated.

Hey, baby girl!! Whats good ma? I love you also baby.....Miss ya....Well, Im playin once again so Im not far away.
Hey, aint this some "BS" w/ "T"???

Can you beleive someone questioned my credibility knowing T personally, how funny is that? Anyhow, I would love to hook up, need to talk w/ you about some things......I will PM you my cell.

Frankoooooooooo..................;)
 
sjm said:
A great question. Here's the answer: Women's pool is organized. With rare exception, the best women pool players residing in America all aspire to qualify for WPBA events. Only those tours sanctioned by the WPBA can hold qualifying events.

Want to start a new women's regional tour? Go ahead, but it won't be WPBA sanctioned unless the WPBA decides that sanctioning it as a WPBA qualifying tour serves the best interests of women's pro pool in America. If your tour is not WPBA sanctioned, your events are less attractive to the best regional players, so you'll have a harder time attracting the best players in your area.

Want to start a new women's regional tour in New York? Odds are you won't get the WPBA to sanction it, as that's the turf of the NEWT (Northeast Women's tour), which has been a long term success as a WPBA sanctioned qualifying tour in New York. Of course, if you want to have some qualifiers in New York, the WPBA will help you arrange events under the NEWT umbrella.

On the other hand, about six years ago, a Florida based group of ladies recognized that the ladies of Florida could use a tour of their own. As there was no regional tour in Florida, where many exceptional lady players live, the WPBA sanctioned their proposed tour, what is now known as the enormously successful Ladies Spirit Tour.

All the regional tours exist under the WPBA umbrella, and the result is superb organization.

That was exactly my point. the women worry about US! and the men worry about ME!
 
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