A bit of history. I'm 62 yrs. old, been playing for over 50 yrs. Let go of the game in my mid 50's. Came back to it right around the time Predator was making huge inroads into the business. I have played their shafts and supported their products. Never was enamored with the feel though. However, yesterday, I met a guy who was selling Predator cues, Joss, Schon , Lucasi and had a couple of custom cues, which he claimed were as good as any of the above.One was very expensive, probably due to the full ivory joint, and another custom house with a price in line with the top line production cues (I will refrain from naming these cuemakers..they do make good cues). In my limited experience I have owned Meuccis when they were good solid players(prior to the "dot" shaft, powerpiston debacles), an expensive Joss and an SP Schon, which would have been my favorite had it not been for the ultra-short shaft taper, which I could never get comfortable with.
Since I am "in the market" and this guy met me at my hall, the proprietor made a good suggestion. The suggestion was a "blind test" to hit some baisc shots, i.e., middle ball, some draw shots a couple with side spin, look at the result but base the entire process on "feel". The tip diameters ranged from 12.25mm to 13mm, the joints were stainless steel to full ivory with others being wood to wood phenolic.
To my surprise, the "feel" category or "hit" was hands down the stock Schon. Before the test, my proprietor told me I wouldn't be able to tell the difference in a top shelf cue with a ss joint and a full ivory joint because the butt construction had alot to do with "hit"...which I thought was ridiculous. But he was 100% correct. The Joss was, frankly, just not as solid as most of the others. The Predotor I was able to recognize because it felt the most butt heavy. I was never able to tell, by feel wich joint was which, except for the sound of one cue...and it was a phenolic...not the ivory joint. So, in the first round Joss and the Predator Ikon were out of the running.
I also chose the standard Schon shaft over the same butt with a laminated, low deflection shaft. And oddly enough, the perfoermance was also best with a standard Schon butt/shaft combo. I will say that the Schon shaft that I played had a much more comfortable taper...not like a 314 (13" pro taper), but what I'd call a Schon modified 10 or 12" taper...incidentally the Schon stock water buffalo tip felt better than the Everests that were on the 314's and his two custom cues. I had preferred MooriIII's, but the stock Schon felt and played identically to te MoiriIII's. I would have loved to have played the stock Schon with a Kamui Black soft.
Well, as a player who was figuring that I needed a custom cue, regardless of some of the high quality "production" cues available, what do I do? I have a few makers in mind. Do I simply say...."make me a cue that hits like a Schon"..with a taper that I want? Do I discard my "requirement" for a wood to wood ivory joint?
For the hell of it I discussed this with Evan Clarke today and he laughed, applauding my methodology, but saying, in essence, "been there...done that". His messge was a fair one.. It was ..there are a lot of great custom cue makers out there but you have to hit a bunch of there produt to see if the consistency that brought you to them in the first place is there. Secondly, we stay with a easily reproducable , but complicated butt manufacturibg process that does ensure a consistent hit. If not, I don't care where you buy it from, as long as they're on our list of authorized Schon Sales List, we'll take it back and give you your money back. Finally, as far as shaft taper, his advice to me was ask your dealer about giving you the type of taper that your most comfortable with and if you don't like it , we'll turn it for you for free. Just don't order a "toothpick" ...we can't add wood'!
So, I'd like to hear from Schon users who have had customs as well. Does what I've experienced make any sense? It was kind of an eye opener to me...especially as far as shaft and joint vs. "hit" goes. Schon is still one hell of a cue.
Since I am "in the market" and this guy met me at my hall, the proprietor made a good suggestion. The suggestion was a "blind test" to hit some baisc shots, i.e., middle ball, some draw shots a couple with side spin, look at the result but base the entire process on "feel". The tip diameters ranged from 12.25mm to 13mm, the joints were stainless steel to full ivory with others being wood to wood phenolic.
To my surprise, the "feel" category or "hit" was hands down the stock Schon. Before the test, my proprietor told me I wouldn't be able to tell the difference in a top shelf cue with a ss joint and a full ivory joint because the butt construction had alot to do with "hit"...which I thought was ridiculous. But he was 100% correct. The Joss was, frankly, just not as solid as most of the others. The Predotor I was able to recognize because it felt the most butt heavy. I was never able to tell, by feel wich joint was which, except for the sound of one cue...and it was a phenolic...not the ivory joint. So, in the first round Joss and the Predator Ikon were out of the running.
I also chose the standard Schon shaft over the same butt with a laminated, low deflection shaft. And oddly enough, the perfoermance was also best with a standard Schon butt/shaft combo. I will say that the Schon shaft that I played had a much more comfortable taper...not like a 314 (13" pro taper), but what I'd call a Schon modified 10 or 12" taper...incidentally the Schon stock water buffalo tip felt better than the Everests that were on the 314's and his two custom cues. I had preferred MooriIII's, but the stock Schon felt and played identically to te MoiriIII's. I would have loved to have played the stock Schon with a Kamui Black soft.
Well, as a player who was figuring that I needed a custom cue, regardless of some of the high quality "production" cues available, what do I do? I have a few makers in mind. Do I simply say...."make me a cue that hits like a Schon"..with a taper that I want? Do I discard my "requirement" for a wood to wood ivory joint?
For the hell of it I discussed this with Evan Clarke today and he laughed, applauding my methodology, but saying, in essence, "been there...done that". His messge was a fair one.. It was ..there are a lot of great custom cue makers out there but you have to hit a bunch of there produt to see if the consistency that brought you to them in the first place is there. Secondly, we stay with a easily reproducable , but complicated butt manufacturibg process that does ensure a consistent hit. If not, I don't care where you buy it from, as long as they're on our list of authorized Schon Sales List, we'll take it back and give you your money back. Finally, as far as shaft taper, his advice to me was ask your dealer about giving you the type of taper that your most comfortable with and if you don't like it , we'll turn it for you for free. Just don't order a "toothpick" ...we can't add wood'!
So, I'd like to hear from Schon users who have had customs as well. Does what I've experienced make any sense? It was kind of an eye opener to me...especially as far as shaft and joint vs. "hit" goes. Schon is still one hell of a cue.