Bludworth DEAL GONE BAD! garczar???

Tnplayer,

I'm sorry to hear about this whole ordeal! In order to show you that not all of us do business like that, I'd like to make you an offer.

I run the site www.Qstix.com we have many production pool cues and pool cue cases I'd like to get you any cue/case/accessory of your choosing, all you'd have to pay is my cost for the items. I'll even throw in free shipping!

Let me know via PM if your interested.
 
Dakota Cues said:
Why haven't you left this idiot a negative iTrader rating yet???
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I'm thinking the same thing.. Please don't assume everyone will read this thread, leave negative feedback so he does not do this to someone else..
 
Ill take pics of it tomorrow if he has it with him. Believe me when I say this more than just a ring pop. It looks and feels like its coming apart at the C-ring (the one right above the wrap closest to the pin). I can easily get my thumbnail down into the gap.

Chris

9BallKing said:
I still wanna see pics of the suspect cue!!!
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Ban?

Would this constitute a ban from AZ? I sure hope the red flys on this one, we don't need people like this not standing behind what they sell. It is just a shame it has come to this end IMHO. I feel for the OP, it should not be this hard to get a nice cue.
 
Could that damage possibly be due to a problem from shipping? Could the carrier somehow have caused this?
 
Shipping damage?

It would be highly unlikely if this were the case. There was no mention from the OP that the container was damaged in any way. I work in production and deal with RMA's (returned goods for rework/credit) and can tell you for certain that in 99.99% of all shipping damage was evident from the condition of the packing suplies. The only other time you could not tell from the condition of the returned material was when the order was loaded into a 53' trailor that had just dropped a load of garlic. The smell permiated the material(real big deal for Pharma).

I also think that a ring popping has more to do with the wood moving over time and with age. It could happen through abuse I guess, but, I have seen cues hit the floor hard enough to break them behind the joint in the forearm area. I never saw an inlay come loose or pop as a result. It would suprise me if shipping were the cause of the popped ring, but, how do you account for the cross thread and the finish wear? IMHO this could have been a result of drastic Temperature change or humidity changing.
 
I highly doubt that the problems with the cue occurred during shipping.
Although metal rings popping and finish issues aren't that unusual, it is unusual not to disclose it when selling here AZ.
Not to mention the problems with the shaft.
I'm not arbitraily siding with the OP, but I am taking his side.
The seller should stick to selling locally, and stay the **** off of AZ Billiards.
No matter how good the seller thinks the deal was, the issues should of been disclosed, and the buyer is entitled to his money back.
I hope the credit card company sticks it to him.
 
9BallKing said:
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Pics would really tell everything.I'm not sure who i really side with by the stories.The seller never stated it was perfect or even close to that.Just say I buy a cue and the description states the cue hits stiff,and I recieve the cue and looks perfect,rolls perfect but does not hit stiff to me,would this entitle me to a refund because in my mind the seller decieved me by saying it did hit stiff?This story doesn't seem so cut and dry to me.Pics will tell the story:)Goodluck
 
scsuxci said:
Pics would really tell everything.I'm not sure who i really side with by the stories.The seller never stated it was perfect or even close to that.Just say I buy a cue and the description states the cue hits stiff,and I recieve the cue and looks perfect,rolls perfect but does not hit stiff to me,would this entitle me to a refund because in my mind the seller decieved me by saying it did hit stiff?This story doesn't seem so cut and dry to me.Pics will tell the story:)Goodluck
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Why does there have to be a right and a wrong here? Why get in some discussion about who's opinion of something subjective like stiffness is correct. Why not just take the cue back in return and sell it to someone who will appreciate it?

If you are selling sight unseen you can take all the pressure off your description by offering a satisfaction guarantee and if the buyer doesn't like what you send him, just taking it back. Nobody is wrong, the buyer bought something without being able to inspect it and once he did, he decided he didn't want it. Where's the harm here? If it was a far deal its no skin off anybody's nose and the cue will just sell to someone else. The only reason not to accept a return is when you feel like you've put one over on your buyer (no great feat of skill in a mail-order transaction), but hopefully what we are discussing here is how a community operates, so that getting over shouldn't be a consideration.

Thanks

Kevin
 
kvinbrwr said:
Why does there have to be a right and a wrong here? Why get in some discussion about who's opinion of something subjective like stiffness is correct. Why not just take the cue back in return and sell it to someone who will appreciate it?

If you are selling sight unseen you can take all the pressure off your description by offering a satisfaction guarantee and if the buyer doesn't like what you send him, just taking it back. Nobody is wrong, the buyer bought something without being able to inspect it and once he did, he decided he didn't want it. Where's the harm here? If it was a far deal its no skin off anybody's nose and the cue will just sell to someone else. The only reason not to accept a return is when you feel like you've put one over on your buyer (no great feat of skill in a mail-order transaction), but hopefully what we are discussing here is how a community operates, so that getting over shouldn't be a consideration.

Thanks

Kevin
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It would make things easier for the buyer if he gets refunded but not for the seller to ever resell the cue after everthing that has been said about it.Without the pics I don't believe a refund is entitled,in my honest opinion.Dealing in used goods are tough.I have been told there has been only a couple of dings on a cue and after recieving it there was 9.Could I have said something,yes I could of,but dealing in used products where people may not be as picky as myself, I let it slide.Hope they settle it:)
 
If the seller intended this to be an "as-is" sale or "all sales final", then he should have indicated it as such.....it was not. :shrug:

Pics would certainly help satisfy everyone's curiousity, though, since this issue has been brought to light here.
 
scsuxci said:
It would make things easier for the buyer if he gets refunded but not for the seller to ever resell the cue after everthing that has been said about it.Without the pics I don't believe a refund is entitled,in my honest opinion.Dealing in used goods are tough.I have been told there has been only a couple of dings on a cue and after recieving it there was 9.Could I have said something,yes I could of,but dealing in used products where people may not be as picky as myself, I let it slide.Hope they settle it:)
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The buyer has disputed his credit card payment, so at least, for him, it is settled, his payment has been refunded to him by his credit card company. If the seller is right about the cue and the buyer is unreasonable then the seller should have no problem reselling the cue to a more reasonable buyer. Essentially the seller offered an unwitting money back guarantee, a fact that he, apparently is not yet fully cognizant of, but he will be. Now he can hang up on PayPal and see how that works for him.

Thanks again

Kevin
 
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kvinbrwr said:
The buyer has disputed his credit card payment, so at least, for him, it is settled, his payment has been refunded to him by his credit card company. Kevin
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Is this true? If so, good for him. I would keep the cue as well, and wait until the idiot sent me cash to ship it back.
 
I was waiting for someone to bump this to the top, I didn't want to do that to everyone here that is listing cues.
A couple of things that I fail to comprehend on this thread.
1. This thread is under the wrong heading, it should be in "Buyer / Seller transaction report" threads.
2. This looks like one of 2 things, a lovers quarrel or something that should be taken behind the woodshed and settled.
 
i recently had a transaction with a fellow azer that was similar to this one. i had a tim scruggs sneaky pete break cue i was selling. it needed tlc bad, but nothing a refinish couldnt fix. it was warped, but not bad enough to effect playability. the shaft wasnt the original shaft, but i was none the wiser. i assumed so, but told him i was unsure. he inspected the cue and was not totally satisfied. we made an arrangement where i sent him the cue and if he didnt like it, he could return it. no harm no foul. it was a trust thing, and clearly not the case here. he wasnt satisfied with it so i said ok no big deal send it back and thanks for the interest. i stand behind anything i sell, and i am sure he would do the same. we also used an escrow service. i would recommend this for future transactions that you are uncertain about. my story and two cents. hope this was helpful. and seriously leave him a negative itrader or contact a moderator. good luck in the future and i wish you the best with your situation.
 
scsuxci said:
It would make things easier for the buyer if he gets refunded but not for the seller to ever resell the cue after everthing that has been said about it.
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True enough, but who's fault is that?

Lets say, instead of hanging up on his buyer when his buyer called to discuss the cue he sent the buyer, the seller had said, "I'm sorry for your dissatisfaction please send the cue back and I'll refund all your money, what do you think is fair regarding the shipping?". Had the seller said that instead of hanging up, there would have been no "all of this" and he could have re-offered the cue, and if he is right and this particular buyer was just too picky, the next buyer would be happy and everyone would be happy.

Yeah, "all of this" has happened, but it seems the seller brought it upon himself when he hung up rather than trying to address the concerns of his fellow AZ community member and buyer.

Thanks again

Kevin
 
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