Bludworth pin-size

[hightechjunkie]

Hello. I wanted to know how is the pin size of Bludworth cues. I thought that it's 3/8 x 11...but when I look at Universal Smart Shafts there is written, that that is the Southwest pin-size...and a Southwest shaft I've tested without success...thx for your answers. André

 

[Tommy-D]

> Blud himself told me his pin is .348 x 11.445,and doesn't want it copied,so the best source is from him. He was supposed to send me one,but with all the other stuff he has going on,I don't want to bug him over something trivial. Tommy D.

 

[hightechjunkie]

That's what I thought....many thanks for the answer

 

[CrownCityCorey]

If anyone were looking, Prather has the Bludworth tap.

We got one from them about 2 years ago and the fit was very good.

 

[cuetique]

Atlas also has a maintenance drive set for Blud cues. It's an undersize 3/8-11 1/2 with flattened thread peaks and sharp valleys.

 

[Cuedog]

Atlas also has a maintenance drive set for Blud cues. It's an undersize 3/8-11 1/2 with flattened thread peaks and sharp valleys.

Currently sold out.

Gene

 

[blud]

> Blud himself told me his pin is .348 x 11.445,and doesn't want it copied,so the best source is from him. He was supposed to send me one,but with all the other stuff he has going on,I don't want to bug him over something trivial. Tommy D.

Tommy, my pin is .348X11.455 threads per inch. some out there think that it's a 3/8 pin, which is .375.........not so.Had one guy call me and telll me I was wrong on the size of my own pin.
Some just are clueless.
Atlas didn't do a good job copying my stuff. Stop and think, atlas is selling parts, and are a long ways from being cuemakers. I would not use there copy of my pin. It's not on the money.
All they can do is try and copy.
Tommy call me about the pin.
830-232-5991
blud

 

[Sheldon]

What is the justification for making it difficult for your shafts to be repaired or duplicated by others?

 

[blud]

my pin

What is the justification for making it difficult for your shafts to be repaired or duplicated by others?

Sheldon, I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but think about your question. Isn't it some what ridiculous to say the least.
Think about it?
Answer this if you can, why not copy someone's stuff. It's a lot easier that way, don't you think? Well, to make it easy on you and others, We, as cuemakers, all have our own way to do things. Why should I make it easy for someone else?

When I started building cues, many years back, there were only 4 joint pins out there. 3/8x10, or 9, 5/16x 18, 5/16x 14, and the southwest pin. I didn't like any, and I have never been one to copy anyones work.
I still have the best pin in my opinion. It works great for my cues.

Problem with the world today, is most copy others and think it's ok. Might be good for some, but not for me. I tested all 4 of the pins, then after running the wetted surface test, I came with my own design.
When designing my pin and cue, I could of cared less what any cuemaker thought. Still feel the same way. I know who builds great cues and who just builds cues.

I have much respect for many out there. I keep my opinion about who is and isn't a great cuemaker.

As far as justification. OK. I could care less how much work a guy goes through to build shafts for my cues. I didn't design and or build my cues to suit cuemakers, I built them for pool players, my friend.
I, like to come with new ideas, that are my own. You will never see one of my cues, that's a copy of someone elses. After all, the guy busted his ass to design and build it. So, it's his, and his alone.
My machinery is the same, I don't copy anyones stuff. My designs, cues and machines.
blud

 

[Sheldon]

Sheldon, I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but think about your question. Isn't it some what ridiculous to say the least.
Think about it?
Answer this if you can, why not copy someone's stuff. It's a lot easier that way, don't you think? Well, to make it easy on you and others, We, as cuemakers, all have our own way to do things. Why should I make it easy for someone else?

When I started building cues, many years back, there were only 4 joint pins out there. 3/8x10, or 9, 5/16x 18, 5/16x 14, and the southwest pin. I didn't like any, and I have never been one to copy anyones work.
I still have the best pin in my opinion. It works great for my cues.

Problem with the world today, is most copy others and think it's ok. Might be good for some, but not for me. I tested all 4 of the pins, then after running the wetted surface test, I came with my own design.
When designing my pin and cue, I could of cared less what any cuemaker thought. Still feel the same way. I know who builds great cues and who just builds cues.

I have much respect for many out there. I keep my opinion about who is and isn't a great cuemaker.

As far as justification. OK. I could care less how much work a guy goes through to build shafts for my cues. I didn't design and or build my cues to suit cuemakers, I built them for pool players, my friend.
I, like to come with new ideas, that are my own. You will never see one of my cues, that's a copy of someone elses. After all, the guy busted his ass to design and build it. So, it's his, and his alone.
My machinery is the same, I don't copy anyones stuff. My designs, cues and machines.
blud

How is my question about copying anything? Are you suggesting we should all have oddball parts so no one can work on anything but their own stuff? Why shouldn't someone be able to go to whoever they want and have a shaft made for an existing cue? What if the cuemaker has blown them off for months and they can't get a shaft out of them? Or decides that they are made of gold and charges an unrealistic price for them? If you are truly looking out for the player, you make it easier for them, not harder.
Why not make the thread pitch 11 or 12? so that you could use a grinder and cut really precise threads with just about any decent lathe? Do you think ANY player on earth is going to notice a difference between 11.445 tpi and 11?

 

[Poolhalljunkie]

Blud pin

Long story short Job security.

How is my question about copying anything? Are you suggesting we should all have oddball parts so no one can work on anything but their own stuff? Why shouldn't someone be able to go to whoever they want and have a shaft made for an existing cue? What if the cuemaker has blown them off for months and they can't get a shaft out of them? Or decides that they are made of gold and charges an unrealistic price for them? If you are truly looking out for the player, you make it easier for them, not harder.

 

[blud]

pins

How is my question about copying anything? Are you suggesting we should all have oddball parts so no one can work on anything but their own stuff? Why shouldn't someone be able to go to whoever they want and have a shaft made for an existing cue? What if the cuemaker has blown them off for months and they can't get a shaft out of them? Or decides that they are made of gold and charges an unrealistic price for them? If you are truly looking out for the player, you make it easier for them, not harder.

Most do copy others, because it's easy. I don't copy other guys. Each should come with his or her ideas, to help the game. Lots of good brain power out there. NONE, of us have it all figured out.


Why not make it easier for the player to play with a cue that you, as the maker. made the best you could. YOUR total design, and construction. Make his cue feel free and easy to handle, and he's at the top of his game, with each shot. Give him your best? Copy none..............
I in no way have all the answers.

The player should come first. That's why I build the cues the way I choose, {for him to play with, with ease }. Yes sir, I do think about the player, that's why I have a differant pin. BTW, If you need a tap, all you got to do is buy one from me or Jeff.

There's not a pin design out there that either of us can't make. If you don't have a machine to handle the job, pass up the repair or shaft.Then the player has nothing to worry about.

As far as odd ball parts, I've had my ODD BALL PART workin real good for a long long time.

When I was just coming out with my cues, there was much talk about the new { PIN }, Blud's got. Talk was great, so were the 17 pro-players who played with them for many many years. They had no trouble with the odd ball part.

No need to drag this on. you build yours and I got my way. Works for me.
nuff said,
blud

 

[Michael Webb]

Hi Blud
Nice to see you posting, I hope you are feeling better. As far as your pin, your design is very good and I for one compliment you on it, Being different is the single most important factor that makes this industry great. For those who offer cue repairs as an option, Try going to the cue maker who uses a certain style pin and approach that person with the respect they deserve. With the exception of one cue maker over the years I have found it's the best way to get the right part that you are looking for.

 

[Arnot Wadsworth]

Bastard Thread Joint Screws

How is my question about copying anything? Are you suggesting we should all have oddball parts so no one can work on anything but their own stuff? Why shouldn't someone be able to go to whoever they want and have a shaft made for an existing cue? What if the cuemaker has blown them off for months and they can't get a shaft out of them? Or decides that they are made of gold and charges an unrealistic price for them? If you are truly looking out for the player, you make it easier for them, not harder.
Why not make the thread pitch 11 or 12? so that you could use a grinder and cut really precise threads with just about any decent lathe? Do you think ANY player on earth is going to notice a difference between 11.445 tpi and 11?

I agree with you Sheldon.

Also, what happens then the cuemaker dies and his customer that he was so concerned about cannot get another shaft for his cue?

Good Cuemaking,

 

[Purdman]

I agree with you Sheldon.

Also, what happens then the cuemaker dies and his customer that he was so concerned about cannot get another shaft for his cue?

Good Cuemaking,

You have to consider the source Sheldon!!! NUFF SAID! Purdman

 

[DaveK]

That is a choice the customer had when he originally purchased the cue.
Surely you don't believe customers in todays market are uneducated as to
their options.

I think you may be giving to much credit to the consumers. I can't see how all cue customers know what pin sizes are common or uncommon. Remember that the AZ billiards membership represents the lunatic fringe of pool players.

Standardized parts are a good thing imo, although they may be a compromise in some situations, which is the problem Blud may have seen when he developed his pin.

There are more threadforms than you can shake your stick at, just ask fans of British autos and motorcycles . If you really care, a few calculations and a custom change gear or two or three and you too could cut 11.445 tpi threads on your lathe. Heck you could cut 8.84mm x 2.22 thread if you wanted to. It's not rocket surgery or brain science or network engineering or any of that difficult stuff, it's a flipping thread.

Dave, who sometimes doesn't understand why people with lathes have these problems

 

[Sheldon]

I think you may be giving to much credit to the consumers. I can't see how all cue customers know what pin sizes are common or uncommon. Remember that the AZ billiards membership represents the lunatic fringe of pool players.

And cuemakers!

Standardized parts are a good thing imo, although they may be a compromise in some situations, which is the problem Blud may have seen when he developed his pin.

I have yet to hear any argument that says .445 difference in thread pitch affects ANYTHING.

There are more threadforms than you can shake your stick at, just ask fans of British autos and motorcycles . If you really care, a few calculations and a custom change gear or two or three and you too could cut 11.445 tpi threads on your lathe. Heck you could cut 8.84mm x 2.22 thread if you wanted to. It's not rocket surgery or brain science or network engineering or any of that difficult stuff, it's a flipping thread.

Why make it difficult? That is the original question I asked and have yet to hear a straight answer to.

Dave, who sometimes doesn't understand why people with lathes have these problems

What problem?

 

[Michael Webb]

And cuemakers!
Why make it difficult? That is the original question I asked and have yet to hear a straight answer to.

QUOTE]

I am trying to figure out the difficult part, The choices are you either choose to work on another cue or you don't, If you choose to, then you have to pay to acquire the right tooling for that cue whether you get it from the cue maker who designed it or you have it made elsewhere, of course the elsewhere is usually more expensive. They are pretty simple choices.

 

[JoeyInCali]

How is my question about copying anything? Are you suggesting we should all have oddball parts so no one can work on anything but their own stuff? Why shouldn't someone be able to go to whoever they want and have a shaft made for an existing cue? What if the cuemaker has blown them off for months and they can't get a shaft out of them? Or decides that they are made of gold and charges an unrealistic price for them? If you are truly looking out for the player, you make it easier for them, not harder.
Why not make the thread pitch 11 or 12? so that you could use a grinder and cut really precise threads with just about any decent lathe? Do you think ANY player on earth is going to notice a difference between 11.445 tpi and 11?

Tap, tap, tap.
This concern can be applied to anything we use.
IF all cueamakers wanted their pins to be unique, imagine the nightmare of 3/8 12.5, 3/8 10.5 or 9/16 11 or 12 and so on?
I don't think Earl Strickland won 5 US Open b/c his Cuetec had a bastard pin.
Or Efren won US Open and World 9 was due to his bastard pinned $15 cue.
Bender and Tad do use bastard pins too but they are even numbered TPI's so I can have Sheldon make me one if I want.

 

[Sheldon]

I am trying to figure out the difficult part,

Difficult would be having to buy a 'special tap' or rigging your lathe to grind an oddball pitch. If the pitch is standard, it's a snap to grind perfect threads.

The choices are you either choose to work on another cue or you don't, If you choose to, then you have to pay to acquire the right tooling for that cue whether you get it from the cue maker who designed it or you have it made elsewhere, of course the elsewhere is usually more expensive. They are pretty simple choices.

So the odd threads are created to sell taps?