Blue Diamond Chalk

[Bandanna Joe]

I agree with your statment but I have a statement also.

"Great Marketing makes Millionaires!"

UR absolutely right! :thumbup:


'BD has been out for twenty years' for all of those that are reading my post literally, the point is that the dinasours on here are resistent to change & need to go take a change management coures & be a little open minded to something that may work better whether it be chalk, OB2/314, phenolic ferruled break cue, or a layered tip. :nanner:

These inventions came out because in many cases they work better than your antiques.

 

[JB Cases]

I use Triangle chalk. I've used it for years. All the snooker guys use it. Until it lets me down at less than 50c per cube, I see no reason to switch.

Triangle is EXACTLY the same as Masters. It was a BRAND that was created for Great Britain.

Information from Tweeten directly during the time I purchased nearly one million pieces of chalk from them many years ago.

 

[TXsouthpaw]

But none of it is a big deal. I'd probably play about the same on a Sears table, bar table felt, a house cue, a screw on tip and a piece of used up bar chalk.

Amen to that.

I have half of those things that i described in my other post, my point though was that those things arent gonna make you a world beater. If you can afford em than by all means knock yourself out. I was just saying that theres no magic bullet out there, and NO chalk is worth 5 dollars a cube.

 

[TXsouthpaw]

"Great Marketing makes Millionaires!"

Exactly. If this stuff is so magical then why did it take 30 years for everyone to figure it out?

If the formulas the same then the only thing thats changed is the marketing.

 

[JB Cases]

Amen to that.

I have half of those things that i described in my other post, my point though was that those things arent gonna make you a world beater. If you can afford em than by all means knock yourself out. I was just saying that theres no magic bullet out there, and NO chalk is worth 5 dollars a cube.

Well theoretically IF the chalk has some of the properties that are associated with it then it may well be worth it.

Imagine that with Master's chalk you miscue 20 times a month (let's completely forget that miscueing is probably a result of hitting the ball in the wrong place most of the time). But let's say that you miscue due to poor chalk coverage 20 times a month.

Now let's imagine that once you use Blue Diamond chalk your miscues due to poor chalk coverage go down to zero.

If some of those miscues caused you to lose important money matches or tournament matches then they cost you money. Therefore it is safe to assume that the elimination of miscues would tend to raise your income. If you would normally use three cubes of Master's a month with 20 miscues and one cube of BD with no miscues and the difference in cost to you was $3.50 then it would be a wise investment and well worth it.

So it's not quite accurate to state that no chalk is "worth" $5 a cube. It might well be if you look at it in light of the enhanced performance, if that performance is really there.

As to the price itself. I am pretty sure that IF Longoni could lower the price then they would. Why wouldn't they want to REPLACE Master and Triangle around the world with their brand? It's obvious that Longoni is paying a much higher price for the chalk. Longoni is not stupid. They are not going to pay a higher price for the SAME chalk as Masters.

Some of this may be marketing. Some may be hype. Some may be hysteria. I certainly believe that Longoni wouldn't put it out there if there weren't some difference. Whether that difference is worth the price they are asking? Well you all remember that Mooris used to be $30 a tip WITHOUT installation. And like I said above, if it really does cut down on errors caused by miscues then perhaps the added income is worth the extra cost.

 

[Avathar]

hoestly, I do use BD chalk and I do love my placebo chalk

you got to see, if feels like it sticks better to the tip..

The main reason that I use the BD, is that confidence reduces miscues much better than the actual chalk... If putting on the chalk to the tip improves my confidence, it helps me to stay focused on my stroke, specially with tricky shots (like shootin off the rail), then it is worth paying a bit more... (I do only pay 2.50€, so it would be something like $3.50.. still quiete a lot, but hey, I safe a lot of bucks for the beer Ido not need for aiming^^)

So my statement (same for laminated shafts, layered tips and such) all this kind of stuff is for your confidence... If you believe in its abilities, it will help you play better.. not because it is needed to play better, just because you can play better, when you believe in your material and enjoy its feeling...

Placebo works for medicine as well as for pool gadets...

 

[Tennesseejoe]

A piece of BD lasts me a month if I play everyday. If the $3.50 per piece is to much for you---You should quit pool and take up Mall Walking.

 

[atthecat]

I was a little freaked out by the mention of lead possibly being in the BD so I emailed Longoni. Here is there response. What does every one make of this??? Hummmmmmmmm.

Dear Sir,
we checked the producer details and from these document we can see that the lead presence is not specified.

Thanks in advance,
Pierluigi Longoni

 

[poolhustler]

Monte,

Its made in the USA......NO LEAD.

 

[atthecat]

Perfect. Thanks Russ.

 

[poolsnark]

Have you even tried the BD chalk??

Yes, but that's not the point. The point I'm trying to make is that if Tweeten was developing a chalk that was substantially different than Master, I seriously doubt they'd be so coy about the differences between it and their other lines. I emailed Skip Nemecek a while back about this. Here's the contents of my email and his response.

My Email to Tweeten:
"There have been quite a few rumors swirling about Blue Diamond Chalk, including one that has Tweeten as the manufacturer of the chalk. I was wondering if you could dispel some of these rumors:

1. Is Blue Diamond made by Tweeten?
2. If so, does Tweeten use a different chalk blend than what they use in Master Chalk?"


And here's the response I received from Skip Nemecek (the President of Tweeten):
“To answer one of your questions, yes we manufacturer Blue Diamond Chalk for the Norditalia company in Italy. Sorry but I cannot answer the second question.”

Like I said before, if you think that it improves your game, you should use it. If the manufacturer refuses to say that there's anything different between the two lines though, I have my doubts that it is anything more than the placebo effect.

Personally, I'm such a hack that there isn't a product in the world that would help my game. Although I am working on becoming the #1 men's player in Guam...

 

[SCCues]

$9 for 2 pieces? WTH does it do to make it worth that much

I wondered the same thing. I've used Master chalk for years and usually when and if I miscue it's my stroke (poor execution) and not the chalk that caused the miscue.

Good luck with the chalk sales and I don't mean to put a negative slant on your post. If Blue Diamond is that much better than Master Chalk then it's worth the price......

James

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

OK, so what about Magic Chalk.
I recently got 12 pieces.
It is made in Russia. Can't find any info on it online.
It pretty much works the same as BD.
Its cheaper than BD.

 

[atthecat]

There is a big difference between BD and Masters. It is NOT the same formula.
Buy some and see for yourself. It adheres to the tip much better than the Masters. It's not as messy. That might be because you end up using less of it because it stays on longer. Your cloth will have less chalk on it too. Big plus's all the way around as far as I'm concerned. If price is a concern, sand down the cube when it's halfway done. To me, it all works out price wise because you use less of this chalk.

 

[atthecat]

The only reason I stroke better with the BD is because I'm completely confident about how it adheres to the tip. I can relax a bit and that translates to more spin.

 

[Cuebacca]

It's definitely not the same chalk as Masters. I was curious due to all the hype, so I went ahead and tried it. My initial impression was that it did feel easier to get it to stay on the tip, but like Masters, it's still gets a lot harder to chalk once you get below the paper, at least for me, being a chalk "swiper".

I also started noticing that BD likes to stay on the cue ball too. At the end of a 9-ball rack, I see can see about 9 blue chalk dots on the cue ball. LOL. If it's true that chalk marks on the cue ball can cause skids, then this is a major advantage of Master over BD. That said, while this seems like a problem in theory, I haven't seen any skids as a result so far.

Then there's also the hassle and distraction of guarding my precious $3 chalk from opponents and chalk thieves in the pool hall.

On miscues... I think most miscues are caused by jumping up on the shot, or simply stroking the cue poorly. For me, I think I rarely miscue due to poor chalk coverage, but even so, I figured there should still be some miscues prevented by switching to BD. I figured if I could even cut my annual miscues in half, the cost would would be worth it.

Well, the thing is it's actually probably better for my game in the long run to suffer the punishment of a miscue, so that it will help to train me not to ever stroke the cue so poorly and to stay down on every shot.

So pretty much on all levels, it's not worth it to me to buy any more BD chalk, but to each his own. The little drawing on the bottom of the wrapper is pretty cool though. :thumbup: