Bobcad 23 good or bad

Mc2

Mc2

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Well, I have been working with Bobcad ver. 23 for a couple of days now. Bobcad boast that they can now wrap desinges around the a axis. Also they have added a axis indexing into their post. I did find indexing in the feature edit tab for posting. This may not make alot of sence however I realised that Bobcad doesn't have a clue how we as cue makers use their software. I contacted Bobcad's tech department and finally got their attention. I think I got my point accross as to how we cut inlay pockets into the cue. The bad thing is they will most likely use my ideas as their own and then sell it to me in an upgrade next year.

Has anyone else tried ver. 23 yet? I know alot of you guys are still using ver. 17-21 because ther where features removed from 22 such as already setup sub programs for a axis indexing and a nice routine for replacing y axis with a axis.

Jim.
 
Mc2 said:
Well, I have been working with Bobcad ver. 23 for a couple of days now. Bobcad boast that they can now wrap desinges around the a axis. Also they have added a axis indexing into their post. I did find indexing in the feature edit tab for posting. This may not make alot of sence however I realised that Bobcad doesn't have a clue how we as cue makers use their software. I contacted Bobcad's tech department and finally got their attention. I think I got my point accross as to how we cut inlay pockets into the cue. The bad thing is they will most likely use my ideas as their own and then sell it to me in an upgrade next year.

Has anyone else tried ver. 23 yet? I know alot of you guys are still using ver. 17-21 because ther where features removed from 22 such as already setup sub programs for a axis indexing and a nice routine for replacing y axis with a axis.

Jim.
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WORKING WIH HE NEW BOB CAD EVERY DAY LEARNING EVERY DAY
I STILL LIKE 21.5 VER.
 
BobCad

The BobCad guy called me twice to sell the V23 ..
Mega bucks.. I didn't need all that extras yet.
I'm still struggling to make a Retangle Box.:sorry:
Does everyone use BobCad? I see 2 using BobCad 23
What do most of you CNC cuemakers use?
What about adding a CNC Forum here?
 
CueCaps said:
The BobCad guy called me twice to sell the V23 ..
Mega bucks.. I didn't need all that extras yet.
I'm still struggling to make a Retangle Box.:sorry:
Does everyone use BobCad? I see 2 using BobCad 23
What do most of you CNC cuemakers use?
What about adding a CNC Forum here?
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That would be nice to have a cnc area. Also nice to be able to upload or download cad and g-code files.

Jim.
 
A cnc section to discuss things would be nice, but I disagree with the posting of G Codes. It's not that hard to use the programs. I think if you're using it in your cues, you should learn to do things yourself. I wouldn't let somebody else work on one of my cues and I certainly wouldn't use a program that I didn't write and fully test myself.
 
Tap Tap Tony,
What might work for one controller might be totally wrong for another. Unless everyone is using the same controller.
We have 3 cnc mills at work . They all need different info to make the same part. Particulary when it comes to making a radius that that crosses regions or when it exceeds 180 deg.
G3 is still the same , but they have different I and J values.
Can be not good when the machine starts heading into a wrong and not indended path. Sometimes it just stops and brings up an error.
I think it is fine if you want to post a file for bug or learning reasons.
But I disagree with using the code to save you from writing something.
Just my 2 cents worth. I don't use cnc for cues, just for my work parts.
Neil
 
CNC Forum

So how can we start one?

I was looking for tht in the FAQ section..
Ask the Moderators?
Tony, for me, the programs are hard (Since I'm just starting)
I'm learning the CAD from sctatch, from the User's Guide

"I think if you're using it in your cues, you should learn to do things yourself. I wouldn't let somebody else work on one of my cues and I certainly wouldn't use a program that I didn't write and fully test myself."

Nothing wrong with that, but, that's the same when they sell those cue building books and videos.
Some buy the books, some learn on their own, some learn both ways..
I want to learn anyway I can. If I do learn or get it from a CNC Forum, I would also want to know the 5 W's that came along with that piece of information that came from such CNC Forum..
The CNC Forum would not be only for G codes. (But can be posted to show or help others.)
There's lots of CNC things that would be talked about there.
Like any other Forum, Some guys like to help, others don't care too. No right or wrong.
 
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CueCaps said:
So how can we start one?

I was looking for tht in the FAQ section..
Ask the Moderators?
Tony, for me, the programs are hard (Since I'm just starting)
I'm learning the CAD from sctatch, from the User's Guide

"I think if you're using it in your cues, you should learn to do things yourself. I wouldn't let somebody else work on one of my cues and I certainly wouldn't use a program that I didn't write and fully test myself."

Nothing wrong with that, but, that's the same when they sell those cue building books and videos.
Some buy the books, some learn on their own, some learn both ways..
I want to learn anyway I can. If I do learn or get it from a CNC Forum, I would also want to know the 5 W's that came along with that piece of information that came from such CNC Form..
The CNC Forum would not be only for G codes. (But can be posted to show or help others.)
There's lots of CNC things that would be talked about there.
Like any other Forum, Some guys like to help, others don't care too. No right or wrong.
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With a half way decent cad/cam software why would anyone need others codes. Once you establish the parameters in your post processer it's only a touch of a key and a couple of seconds and the program is wrote. If your software is lacking then you need to upgrade.

Dick
 
Mc2 said:
That would be nice to have a cnc area. Also nice to be able to upload or download cad and g-code files.

Jim.
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Hi Richard,
I wasn't asking for g codes.:)
I think Jim was just making a friendly suggestion about g codes.

I'm just talking about CNC stuff in general..

"Once you establish the parameters in your post processer it's only a touch of a key and a couple of seconds and the program is wrote. If your software is lacking then you need to upgrade."
I learned something from you already..
And...
"What might work for one controller might be totally wrong for another. Unless everyone is using the same controller." - Neil
Now I know.. Thanks Neil, Thanks Richard..
 
Actually, I wouldn't use the g-code from someone else however, I happen to know how to generate my own with Bobcad. It would still be nice to be able to share cad drawings with one another or help out someone who can't get their drawing correctly to post. Willee sent out samples awhile back and all of his cad files worked great.

Jim.
 
I understand what you're saying, but I want my cues to be my cues, not something I downloaded and created G Codes for. I also think that people should take the time to learn to use the software. I knew nothing about cad six months ago and I'm cutting a cue right now that I have been working on for three weeks. That is just the drawings and tests. As people learn the software, they will be able to do more intricate designs.

If everybody is spoon fed the drawings, they won't bother learning how to use their tools. Then who gets credit for the cue? The person they borrowed the drawings from or them?

I certainly don't know everything. I have a cue maker I call when I have questions. This week, I called him several times. This time wasn't really for much help, more to vent my frustration of broken bits and drawings I wasn't happy with. I am happy to help anybody out with what little I know, but I am not going to draw their designs for them. I'll do what the other cue maker did for me. Have them draw some shapes and walk them through making the pieces and pockets.

I'm also not trying to pick a fight with you Jim, I'm just stating how I feel about the subject.
 
Tony Zinzola said:
I understand what you're saying, but I want my cues to be my cues, not something I downloaded and created G Codes for. I also think that people should take the time to learn to use the software. I knew nothing about cad six months ago and I'm cutting a cue right now that I have been working on for three weeks. That is just the drawings and tests. As people learn the software, they will be able to do more intricate designs.

If everybody is spoon fed the drawings, they won't bother learning how to use their tools. Then who gets credit for the cue? The person they borrowed the drawings from or them?

I certainly don't know everything. I have a cue maker I call when I have questions. This week, I called him several times. This time wasn't really for much help, more to vent my frustration of broken bits and drawings I wasn't happy with. I am happy to help anybody out with what little I know, but I am not going to draw their designs for them. I'll do what the other cue maker did for me. Have them draw some shapes and walk them through making the pieces and pockets.

I'm also not trying to pick a fight with you Jim, I'm just stating how I feel about the subject.
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I understand what your saying Tony. I soon will be working on some inlays that I would even share with my best friend. I would assume any inlay cads given away would be basic at best. By the way no fight here.

Tony what software are you using? If bobcad are you using the Mach3 post?

Jim.
 
I played with the V23 Demo and I can't even figure out how to do a simple diamond. I don't know if I'm going to use it or not.

Anybody have it that wants to give me a quick demo on how do do a piece and a pocket?
 
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Tony Zinzola said:
I played with the V23 Demo and I can't even figure out how to do a simple diamond. I don't know if I'm going to use it or not.

Anybody have it that wants to give me a quick demo on how do do a piece and a pocket?
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Tony, I think you can sign up for a free personalized demo on their site as part of their pre-sales efforts. If you're thinking about buying it anyway, they'll probably walk you through anything you want to see.

If you do it, I'd like to hear what you think of it. Contemplating the purchase of 23 myself.
Mr H
 
I already have them calling me five times a day trying to sell it to me. If I sign up for more, I'm going to have to change my number. I have figured out how to do drawings as it's not much different than 21, but beyond that, I haven't figured anything out. I don't have time to spend all day on it, so will play around as time permits.
 
Tony Zinzola said:
I already have them calling me five times a day trying to sell it to me. If I sign up for more, I'm going to have to change my number. I have figured out how to do drawings as it's not much different than 21, but beyond that, I haven't figured anything out. I don't have time to spend all day on it, so will play around as time permits.
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TONY HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THAT TV COMERICAIL WHERETHE SOFWARE SALESMAN COPYS HIS PICTURE AND SLIDES IT UNDER THE DOOR OF THE OFFICE WHERE A CUSTOMER IS HIDING IN A LOCKED OFFICE
THAT REMINDS ME OF BOBCAD
YOU CAN REQUEST THEM FROM CALLING YOU I DID AND THEY FINALLY STOPPED
 
Tony Zinzola said:
I already have them calling me five times a day trying to sell it to me. If I sign up for more, I'm going to have to change my number. I have figured out how to do drawings as it's not much different than 21, but beyond that, I haven't figured anything out. I don't have time to spend all day on it, so will play around as time permits.
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Tony, lot of luck to you budy. Actually just ask for a demonstration of wrapping a designe around the a axis then outputting g-code for the tool path including the a axis. That should stop them in their tracks. I have been trying to get that out of them for two weeks now and I have paid for the tech support. By the way if you need help creating tool paths let me know, I can walk you through it. I do like that aspect of bobcad 22 or 23 better than the older vertions.

Jim.
 
Jim,
I see you are using MAch 3, If it were me I would try and see if Mach 3 can make a upgrade to accept a G107 command, this is what Haas uses,
so all you do is program any shape you want in a flat view, at beginning of program you put G107 A0.0 and the control takes all the Y moves and converts them into A moves
 
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