Bogus Ball..from the start

westcoast said:
There is really nothing wrong the game of Bonus Ball itself. The planning or lack thereof was the real problem. I think most people that gave Bonus Ball a chance actually enjoyed the game. The pros make a lot of traditional games look too easy or too slow (one pocket). Bonus Ball was difficult enough to make it interesting, especially with the time limits. I'm honestly sorry to see it not work out.
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Exactly!

Bonusball has a challenging game to offer for the die hard pool player, an exciting game with dramatic moments to offer to the casual sports fan, and a great structure for gambling for the sports gamblers, structure meaning an easy to handicap overall game along with plenty of prop bets to keep every minute exciting.

On top of that you can add in the behind the scenes story lines, the stats for die hard sports fans, and the possibility for fantasy leagues.

Bonusball has potential under the right ownership.
 
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CJ Wiley said:
I doubt if anyone actually "loves" baseball.
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"'Chicago Rocket’s Captain Rodney Morris had this to say: “I really love playing the game of Bonus Ball.'"
"'Philadelphia Aces captain Darren Appleton added “I love the game, it’s the best game I have ever played.'""
Scott Frost: "I need the fans and the world to believe me when I tell you there’s no other game on earth we want to play."

By extension, you're suggesting that the "claims" of the BB players like Daz and Frost and Morris to love the game of Bonus Ball, are bogus. :wink:
 
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PoolSharkAllen said:
"'Chicago Rocket’s Captain Rodney Morris had this to say: “I really love playing the game of Bonus Ball.'"
"'Philadelphia Aces captain Darren Appleton added “I love the game, it’s the best game I have ever played.'""
Scott Frost: "I need the fans and the world to believe me when I tell you there’s no other game on earth we want to play."

By extension, you're suggesting that the "claims" of the Bonus Ball players like Daz and Frost and Morris to love the game of Bonus Ball, are bogus. :wink:
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Seriously?

Maybe this will help you understand

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R3rILIDEGMM&desktop_uri=/watch?v=R3rILIDEGMM
 
Fatboy said:
... Jeff Bezos the amazon.com founder just blew $250,000,000 this week on the Washington Post, thats 17X earnings, what that means is the real value of the paper was $50,000,000 and he over paid $200,000,000. However he is worth $34,000,000,000(thats billion) So for Jeff the $$$ just dont matter. ....
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HE wants an established name to experiment with. Earnings are irrelevent, it is the name equity he wants attached to his e-venture.
 
JB Cases said:
Finally. Most people see the words billionaire and have no comprehension of what that means. Standing way out on the fringe with zero chance of ever seeing anything from the perspective of the super rich.

No comprehension whatsoever how big investors look at things.

So many people here think they understand truly big business bit they don't. They don't look at potential, they don't understand the true power of high level connections. Those connections are exponential.

Think small stay small.
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Or the BB version: Think stupid stay stupid.

Lou Figueroa
 
Regarding being willing to bet 5 or 10k on BB's return,

"Sky Masterson: One of these days in your travels, a guy is going to show you a brand-new deck of cards on which the seal is not yet broken. Then this guy is going to offer to bet you that he can make the jack of spades jump out of this brand-new deck of cards and squirt cider in your ear. But, son, do not accept this bet, because as sure as you stand there, you're going to wind up with an ear full of cider."
 
Regarding being willing to bet 5 or 10k on BB's return,

"Sky Masterson: One of these days in your travels, a guy is going to show you a brand-new deck of cards on which the seal is not yet broken. Then this guy is going to offer to bet you that he can make the jack of spades jump out of this brand-new deck of cards and squirt cider in your ear. But, son, do not accept this bet, because as sure as you stand there, you're going to wind up with an ear full of cider."
 
CJ Wiley said:
Tours are proven to not work and the other things you mentioned as well. For some reason the strategy in Pro Pool is the definition of insanity "do the same thing over and over expecting different results"......and then argue why it doesn't work, when it never had or will have a chance.

My point is "the players make the game, the game does not make the players"....this is true in all other sports and games, we just don't remember it because they've been branded extremely well for so long. Baseball is boring, but it's the "national pastime" and the players make the game.....nobody talks about "what the ball did," it's what the players do that's important.
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Sorry CJ, but I still have to disagree with you. If "the player's make the game" we wouldn't be where we are today. No single person is bigger than the stage they play on, if you want to make it to the top of any given profession/field in life, you have to get to play on it's biggest stage. With very few exceptions, great stages are not built to accommodate individuals, the stages are built for great games and events, and they are built over time, with love, passion, and money. The individuals have to earn their right and be lucky enough to get to "play" on those stages, and the stages will remain long after the Brandos, Mantles, and Kobes have left the building.

Unfortunately, pool's great stage has never been built.

Where would any great general be without a great war to perform in, or an actor without a Broadway stage to exhibit his craft to the world, or a baseball player without the major leagues? They'd be just another hick dusting off his shoes in some unknown small town field of dreams or a dean at some unknown mid-western military school.

Success itself is a magical mix of talent, effort, luck and timing, sometimes it just cannot be explained. People love taking credit for their successes while blaming others for their failures...often it's neither. Two actors of equal talent get jobs as understudy for major Broadway stars in major productions, one never gets the opportunity to perform because the actor remains healthy, the other has to replace the actor because of illness and becomes a leading man in a top Broadway show leading to a great career. Not a better actor, just a luckier actor.

You are right in that pool's current model has not and does not work, but it isn't the fault of the game itself. It's because historically the people involved in pool failed to create a national organizational structure that allowed pool to grow, it's the result of failed leadership, over and over again. No one ever had the vision, talent, and resources to build that great stage for pool to demonstrate it's greatness to the world. And, because of that the mainstream world sees no advantage to and has no interest in sharing their successes with pool. It's as simple as that. IMHO

We're lucky to still have the few honest and dedicated people who have fought to keep pool alive, if only on a respirator, and I applaud them.

J
 
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golubushka said:
Bonus Ball has IMO the potential,

...After a really bumpy start...the Pros are still on board...

...and we can only hope that the investors will see beyond some of the "conventional wisdom" as expressed here on the AZ forums concerning Bonus Ball, and that indeed they'll be able to also visualize a new future for Pro pool, and that they can indeed help to make it happen for the benefit of all involved in the Pool industry....
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Yes, as you say, 'we can only hope'.

Or as Scott Frost says, 'we need everyone to support'...

no shit.
 
Here is one thing BB needs to do to become successful:


the "Live 4 nights a week" is not viable, pool just aint there yet like foot ball (American or soccer). Look at the TV game show "Jeopardy", its taped ahead of time, then the end of the season is kinda sorta shown live.

BB is like Porn, it can be shot in advance and still sell:eek:. I know a guy who is a pool/poker player thats well known Big Bobby or John Robert'(sorry cant spell his name) he was on Survivor a few ago in China. He signed a contract that he couldnt tell anyone how he finished. He wouldnt tell me and we were hanging out a good bit back then. I said "Well you didnt win the million cause I can tell by your roll"<----in a joking fashion. He is cool, good guy. good one pocket player for high stakes. Not a champion. Point is he was loyal to the contract and kept it off the grid(internet, social media etc)

So if they opened the arena for 5 days 12 hours a day that's 60 hours they could film say 30 matches in 5 days. No need for Daz to live in Vegas, or Ralf to come and go or anyone else. The players would be able to save a ton of $$ on living here, the camera crew wouldnt have a 4 day/week job(sorry guys). Get everyone here for the 5 days a couple days early and run the hell out of it until the last match is in the can. The players and everyone involved dont say who won etc.


this would make the players lots more $$$ and save the owners of BB lots of $$$. Just this one thing.

Pool aint ready to be a live event on TV, not yet. Thats a long way off.


There are many more ideas that would make BB viable, this is just one.


as for its future, we will know lots more in less than 2 weeks, closer to a week.It looks good thus far, very favorable.
 
jimmyg said:
Sorry CJ, but I still have to disagree with you. If "the player's make the game" we wouldn't be where we are today. No single person is bigger than the stage they play on, if you want to make it to the top of any given profession/field in life, you have to get to play on it's biggest stage. With very few exceptions, great stages are not built to accommodate individuals, the stages are built for great games and events, and they are built over time, with love, passion, and money. The individuals have to earn their right and be lucky enough to get to "play" on those stages, and the stages will remain long after the Brandos, Mantles, and Kobes have left the building.

Unfortunately, pool's great stage has never been built.

Where would any great general be without a great war to perform in, or an actor without a Broadway stage to exhibit his craft to the world, or a baseball player without the major leagues? They'd be just another hick dusting off his shoes in some unknown small town field of dreams or a dean at some unknown mid-western military school.

Success itself is a magical mix of talent, effort, luck and timing, sometimes it just cannot be explained. People love taking credit for their successes while blaming others for their failures...often it's neither. Two actors of equal talent get jobs as understudy for major Broadway stars in major productions, one never gets the opportunity to perform because the actor remains healthy, the other has to replace the actor because of illness and becomes a leading man in a top Broadway show leading to a great career. Not a better actor, just a luckier actor.

You are right in that pool's current model has not and does not work, but it isn't the fault of the game itself. It's because historically the people involved in pool failed to create a national organizational structure that allowed pool to grow, it's the result of failed leadership, over and over again. No one ever had the vision, talent, and resources to build that great stage for pool to demonstrate it's greatness to the world. And, because of that the mainstream world sees no advantage to and has no interest in sharing their successes with pool. It's as simple as that. IMHO

We're lucky to still have the few honest and dedicated people who have fought to keep pool alive, if only on a respirator, and I applaud them.

J
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Here let me simplify this a bit:


"Players play the game"

"Biz men make the game"


dont matter if its pool, base ball, cricket, boxing, horse racing, any sport. Players play, biz men make the venues, and a viable business out of it. Customers support it.


thats that.....:smile:
 
golubushka said:
Bonus Ball has IMO the potential, if managed and grown to it's maximum potential, to satisfy both your and CJ concerns, and to move the whole Pool industry to that next elusive level by making Pro pool a true *sport*....

And...one thing that pool has (being both a timeless game *and* a sport) is a certain level of interesting strategy, (e.g. in One Pocket if you like, which also carries over to Bonus Ball), which is not normally made obvious to the general public...and which in Bonus Ball, with the mic'd up team discussions also brings a new level to both the strategy and the human interest player aspects of Pro pool as both a game and a sport....

In fact, (not withstanding some of his PR skills, in the past anyway)...it's guys like Nathan that will (hopefully) build and present the new Pro pool platform to the World...the new world of Pro pool will indeed eventually include many lines of computer code, all kinds of use of instant communication technology that the young people are hooked on...(I have 2 teenagers in my house right now, one that wants to get that first body piercing etc.)...and much more that many of us can't even imagine yet....

After a really bumpy start...now, the model is in place, the Pros are still on board...and we can only hope that the investors will see beyond some of the "conventional wisdom" as expressed here on the AZ forums concerning Bonus Ball, and that indeed they'll be able to also visualize a new future for Pro pool, and that they can indeed help to make it happen for the benefit of all involved in the Pool industry....

PS I have no connection whatsoever to the WPBL or Bonus Ball, (or any of the people involved), other than being a fan, and all opinions expressed here (no matter how good or bad they may be) are mine alone....
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They've already had their shot, they failed miserably. Dreams, bluster, and arrogance is not a business model.

J
 
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