let me simplify this:
Yes
If it survives and looks very favorable the wheel house will have different people in it,
Bogus Ball..from the start
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let me simplify this:
Yes
If it survives and looks very favorable the wheel house will have different people in it,
Exactly
Ray Scott and the bigwigs at BassMasters have a very successful program, marketed to a specific clientele, and tailored sponsoring to go with it. The Men and Women fishing are required to adhere by the rules set down by the organization, and it works. Biz men run the Biz, Players Play the Game.
What we lack, is coherent leadership to guide such an organization,IF one can be created that won't self destruct!
Good Post, Eric.
cajunfats
Carl
Eric, that is correct. I just posted a scenario from my buddy Dennis Tietje who is on the Bass Masters Elite Tour Fishing Circuit, over on the "Can I Play?" thread.
Ray Scott and the bigwigs at BassMasters have a very successful program, marketed to a specific clientele, and tailored sponsoring to go with it. The Men and Women fishing are required to adhere by the rules set down by the organization, and it works. Biz men run the Biz, Players Play the Game.
What we lack, is coherent leadership to guide such an organization,IF one can be created that won't self destruct!
Good Post, Eric.
cajunfats
Carl
ports and Games without People {and the players especially} is dead
We can certainly "agree to disagree"....I've never heard anyone talk in detail about "last night's game," as far as the ball, the playing field or the rules/format. What they do talk about is the players....by name....and specifically what THEY DID with the ball, during a certain play or game situation. They even get animated about the players, not the game, the game is just what creates the various situations and "plays".
I'm not sure who these "honest, dedicated" people are that have fought so diligently to "keep pool alive".....I think the game is perfectly capable of "staying alive," especially since it has no life to begin with.
League pool is popular these days, and the driving force "might" not be dedication and honesty, it may actually be a good business model (go figure). Professional pool just hasn't had a business model of any kind that I"m aware of. Pro tournaments are horrible "business models" because 80% of the players lose money.....no one in their right mind can claim this is a "profitable business model." Quite the contrary, it's one of the worse ones in the history of business.
People give sports and game "life".....People give sports and games "marketability"......People give sports and games "sponsors".....People give sports and games TV Packages........Pool give sports and games "conversation points"......People give sports and games "popularity" (or not)......People give sports and games "time".
Sports and Games without People {and the players especially} is dead, and if pool is to have "life" it must be revitalized by people. People are ALWAYS the problem and people are ALWAYS the solution. 'The Game is the Teacher'
We can certainly "agree to disagree"....I've never heard anyone talk in detail about "last night's game," as far as the ball, the playing field or the rules/format. What they do talk about is the players....by name....and specifically what THEY DID with the ball, during a certain play or game situation. They even get animated about the players, not the game, the game is just what creates the various situations and "plays".
I'm not sure who these "honest, dedicated" people are that have fought so diligently to "keep pool alive".....I think the game is perfectly capable of "staying alive," especially since it has no life to begin with.
League pool is popular these days, and the driving force "might" not be dedication and honesty, it may actually be a good business model (go figure). Professional pool just hasn't had a business model of any kind that I"m aware of. Pro tournaments are horrible "business models" because 80% of the players lose money.....no one in their right mind can claim this is a "profitable business model." Quite the contrary, it's one of the worse ones in the history of business.
People give sports and game "life".....People give sports and games "marketability"......People give sports and games "sponsors".....People give sports and games TV Packages........Pool give sports and games "conversation points"......People give sports and games "popularity" (or not)......People give sports and games "time".
Sports and Games without People {and the players especially} is dead, and if pool is to have "life" it must be revitalized by people. People are ALWAYS the problem and people are ALWAYS the solution. 'The Game is the Teacher'
Let me simplify this to:
yes your right
they are called "Visionaries"
best
eric
I'm into the over simplification thing today, LOL
in their current form pro events are not a viable thing and thus have all but disappeared.
It will take a biz man not a pool player to fix whats broken. Now if that biz man happens to play pool at any level, He will still be acting in the capacity of a biz man not a player when pool is fixed.
players play
biz men do biz
2 distinct different behaviors that result in 2 different outcomes. might be the same person but playing pool wont fix pool.
it takes both. players and biz men to have customers which equals a viable sport not a hobby of pub game.
respectfully
eric
still keeping it simple since 1985......<------what ever that means
let me simplify this:
Yes
If it survives and looks very favorable the wheel house will have different people in it,
You must have put money into bonus ball
Good luck
God no. I ain't getting anywhere near the pool biz. I'm not mad at my $$$
You will be 1 day
Ain't like it was. And I'm happier.
fastnfurious
Banned
Bonus Ball should be done away with. Tournaments that payout good money are not filling up because the players are all playing bonus ball. Bonus Ball is a gaffe game that his hurting pool.
Willie Mosconi would play in a Pro tournament these days???
Only 20% of the Pros that go to tournaments make money, 80% of them lose money. How's this "good for pool"?
It would be a better proposition to stay home, the main sponsors of the professional events are the Pros themselves. They are the sponsors and get riduculed for anything that goes wrong.......what a ridiculous situation, and it's all from switching ESPN for streaming video......the players have 0% chance to make any outside sponsorship. Even Shane, who wins all the time makes less than the janitor at my old high school.
We need to redefine "what's good for pool," it's way out of date.....maybe in the depression, however, even in the depression they were doing better, Ralph Greenleaf proved that. There's NO WAY Willie Mosconi would play in a Pro tournament these days with the magical racks, polka dot cue balls, and jump cues. :thumbup:
Only 20% of the Pros that go to tournaments make money, 80% of them lose money. How's this "good for pool"?
It would be a better proposition to stay home, the main sponsors of the professional events are the Pros themselves. They are the sponsors and get riduculed for anything that goes wrong.......what a ridiculous situation, and it's all from switching ESPN for streaming video......the players have 0% chance to make any outside sponsorship. Even Shane, who wins all the time makes less than the janitor at my old high school.
We need to redefine "what's good for pool," it's way out of date.....maybe in the depression, however, even in the depression they were doing better, Ralph Greenleaf proved that. There's NO WAY Willie Mosconi would play in a Pro tournament these days with the magical racks, polka dot cue balls, and jump cues. :thumbup:
You heard it here first, folks.
CJ Wiley advocates wooden triangles....manned by youngsters, paid $0.10 a rack to do it properly for the players......mud balls.......and kicking.
Actually, now that I think about it, it doesn't sound so bad. Well, except for the mud ball part.
:thumbup:
What's up sc5?
CJ,millions of people love the games of baseball,football,hockey,soccer etc.Most of those fans don't know a single player,don't know any players names,couldn't recognize any player in a face to face.Players come and go but the fans keep paying money to watch the games.Famous players certainly add to the games but are not the core reason people pay to watch.The public wouldn't consistantly pay to see a celebrity play a boring game they didn't understand.Brad Pitt playing chess, how many ppv?
Pool has been dying for many years.Pool halls are closing every day.History has shown ,without sponsors to pay the bills,pro pool hasn't been successful.Not enough people want to pay to watch pool.In my opinion ,the only way to get the public interested enough to pay for pool is to have a fast game[maby 6 ball],big money changing hands on every game[10k..funny money like poker] and entertaining players.
CJ,I always enjoyed watching you play and I think you have been a positive force for the pool world.We just disagree on the above issues.I think we agree on the big picture of where pro pool is today.
Pool has been dying for many years.Pool halls are closing every day.History has shown ,without sponsors to pay the bills,pro pool hasn't been successful.Not enough people want to pay to watch pool.In my opinion ,the only way to get the public interested enough to pay for pool is to have a fast game[maby 6 ball],big money changing hands on every game[10k..funny money like poker] and entertaining players.
CJ,I always enjoyed watching you play and I think you have been a positive force for the pool world.We just disagree on the above issues.I think we agree on the big picture of where pro pool is today.
Pool cant be this bad. People are making a living selling old re finished tables for 10,000 a pop. People dropping 3,000$ to 5,000$ for cues with a three year waiting list.
A pool room just re-opened in my area. I live in bum **** and can play pool at three rooms with a 20 - 30 min drive. People paying 30 BUCKS FOR CHALK. It's not that bad. It just got slow at the same time technology picked up and enabled people to never go anywhere. Billiards will never die. Pool needs to go back to ESPN and do "whatever" it takes to get back on there.
Pool is closer to success than you may "real eyes".
This is a world of followers...if they're told something's popular and cool they will climb a tree to get a better view......they "love" these games? I seriously doubt if love is the right word, maybe "really like" may be more accurate. People "like" people like themselves, however, they usually only "love" something/someone really special.
People follow all kinds of strange things like duck hunting, pawn shops, talent searches, porn, hockey, baseball, MMA, knitting, exotic art, pottery, bird watching, Big Foot Hunting :thumbup: etc.
Pool is closer to success than you may "real eyes".....it's just one reality show away from being the next huge success story.
This is a world of followers...if they're told something's popular and cool they will climb a tree to get a better view......they "love" these games? I seriously doubt if love is the right word, maybe "really like" may be more accurate. People "like" people like themselves, however, they usually only "love" something/someone really special.
People follow all kinds of strange things like duck hunting, pawn shops, talent searches, porn, hockey, baseball, MMA, knitting, exotic art, pottery, bird watching, Big Foot Hunting :thumbup: etc.
Pool is closer to success than you may "real eyes".....it's just one reality show away from being the next huge success story.
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Padre,
Guess I'm getting tired of the "Pool has been dying" comments. Pool is alive and well. Actually doing great. Go to almost any bar or pool room during the week and watch lots of pool players having fun. Only the professional side of the game is dying. Whether we like it or not, amateur leagues, sanctioned or in-house, are keeping the game (or sport) alive. NO pro tour can accomplish the same thing. Too few events. Too little money. Me first attitude.
Lyn
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People follow all kinds of strange things like duck hunting, pawn shops, talent searches, porn, hockey, baseball, MMA, knitting, exotic art, pottery, bird watching, Big Foot Hunting :thumbup: etc.../QUOTE]
CJ you lost me with Bigfoot porn
CJ are you a Texasbigfoot.com forum guy? Actually I forget if they have a forum, but I approve of the site.
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