Bois de Rose?

[Hunter]

Hi All,

Is Bois de Rose usually just Madagascar Rosewood? I have a Zylr made out of it that looks almost black until you get it under a light and then it's a deep burgundy. The cue weighs a ton, but I like a heavy cue and the hit is really nice. Thanks in advance for your help!

Regards,

Steve

 

[masonh]

Bois de Rose isn't Madagascar Rosewood,but it is a Rosewood from Madagascar.there are several.

 

[ridewiththewind]

Hi All,

Is Bois de Rose usually just Madagascar Rosewood? I have a Zylr made out of it that looks almost black until you get it under a light and then it's a deep burgundy. The cue weighs a ton, but I like a heavy cue and the hit is really nice. Thanks in advance for your help!

Regards,

Steve

Here is the link to a thread I started at the beginning of the year concerning BdR cues....enjoy!
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=50633


My absolute favorite wood! It is a true rosewood, one of the prettiest, and does come from Madagascar.

My last BdR cue also had that 'black cherry' color to it from a distance, but terrific deep burgundy color with tremendous chatoyance under direct light. Great feedback in this wood.

Not easy to find a cuemaker who will work with it, as it bleeds like a stuck pig...and needs to be well seasoned, so it doesn't want to 'move'.

Lisa

 

[ridewiththewind]

And here is a pic of the butt of one I am awaiting completion on:

 

[rhncue]

And here is a pic of the butt of one I am awaiting completion on:

I've built two cues of Bois' de Rose and I still have more of the wood here in the shop but I doubt if I ever will use it again except maybe on a plain cue. As was said earlier, it bleeds to much. There are just to many other woods that are available without the aggravation as far as I'm concerned. I won't use Wenge either as it is just to darned porous for me.

Dick

 

[pdcue]

Hi All,

Is Bois de Rose usually just Madagascar Rosewood? I have a Zylr made out of it that looks almost black until you get it under a light and then it's a deep burgundy. The cue weighs a ton, but I like a heavy cue and the hit is really nice. Thanks in advance for your help!

Regards,

Steve

Yes, and no.

Bois de Rose is the French name associated with the Cranberry
colorded Rosewood from Madagascar.

Like all the Tropical Exotic hardwoods, there are often many species
traded under the same commercial designation. For example, Purpleheart,
a very popular, and excellent cue wood, is the commercial timber trade
name used for no less than 13 different species of purple-ish woods.

Sounds like the wood in your cue is indeed what people mean
by BdR.

HTH
Dale Pierce

 

[DaveK]

... My last BdR cue ...

Now there's a "girly" cue if I ever saw one .... looks great on you though

Dave

 

[ridewiththewind]

Now there's a "girly" cue if I ever saw one .... looks great on you though

Dave

Lol...Dave, that 'girly' cue sold in under 24 hrs, to a gentleman in Taiwan, and I pretty much broke even on it. The cue's design and woods were wonderfully executed, and it was a bit of a bummer selling this particular cue, because it was my first fully designed custom cue direct from the maker. Unfortunately, I had a financial obligation that came due sooner than expected, and I had to part with the 'Captured Hearts' cue.

As a side note....you had to be up close and have the right lighting to actually see the grain in the BdR...otherwise, from a distance, the cue looked more like an ebony cue...with a hint of a reddish tint. A color I would consider to be 'black cherry'.

Funny thing....after I sold this cue, I got a full splice to play with until I got something else, and got to liking playing with a wrapless full splice so much, that I am pretty much a convert. Since, I have only played with one short spliced cue (snakewood) that I fell in love with, and coincidentally, made by the same maker as my current full splice. I can hardly wait for the next one to be completed.

Lisa

 

[QMAKER]

Bois de Rose

Bois de Rose isn't Madagascar Rosewood,but it is a Rosewood from Madagascar.there are several.

Sorry, but Boise de Rose is not of the rosewood family (Dalbergia). The botanical name for Asian sourced Boise de Rose is Thespesia populnea, Malvaceae. It gets its Boise de Rose name from its rose like smell. The wood is light and generally soft (D12 = 0.5 to .70) as compared to a true rosewood, from Asia like Dalbergia cochinchinensis, which generaly runs in the range of D12 = 0.85 to 1.00. The Boise de Rose from French Guyana is a hybrid produced by the species Aniba rosaodora and Aniba parvifolia and is mostly used for the oil in making perfume.

Boise de Rose is a pretty wood, but it is not rosewood, and if used in a cue coring might be considered.

Bob Flynn
www.denalicues.com

 

[Hunter]

Here's a couple of pics of the cue... I might have to take some closeups. Like I said, this cue is very heavy (21 oz.), so maybe it's been cored with a heavy wood if Bois de Rose is light? It looks black, but it's a tight grained wood that is deep burgundy under a strong light...

 

[pdcue]

Sorry, but Boise de Rose is not of the rosewood family (Dalbergia). The botanical name for Asian sourced Boise de Rose is Thespesia populnea, Malvaceae. It gets its Boise de Rose name from its rose like smell. The wood is light and generally soft (D12 = 0.5 to .70) as compared to a true rosewood, from Asia like Dalbergia cochinchinensis, which generaly runs in the range of D12 = 0.85 to 1.00. The Boise de Rose from French Guyana is a hybrid produced by the species Aniba rosaodora and Aniba parvifolia and is mostly used for the oil in making perfume.

Boise de Rose is a pretty wood, but it is not rosewood, and if used in a cue coring might be considered.

Bob Flynn
www.denalicues.com

Sorry, but you seem to be mistaking the source for an essential oil
used in cosmetics, for the Bois d' Rose Dalbergia species native
to Madagascar.

here is a link to a site<in French> with info

http://www.ynovack.com/essence_main.php?chx_menu2=2&essence=722

If you don't speak French, I surely don't Bablefish is a site for freebie
translation.

As pointed out before - the French loved this wood for its color

HTH
Dale

 

[pdcue]

Hi All,

Is Bois de Rose usually just Madagascar Rosewood? I have a Zylr made out of it that looks almost black until you get it under a light and then it's a deep burgundy. The cue weighs a ton, but I like a heavy cue and the hit is really nice. Thanks in advance for your help!

Regards,

Steve

Latest update

There are several<6?> Dalbergia<true Rosewood> species native to
Madagascar.

The one you seek is Dalbergia Louveli - but you might want to hurry.
90% of the Madagascar rainforest has been destroyed.

Dale Pierce<Google cowboy>

 

[masonh]

Qmaker,i am not sure where you get your information from but you are wrong,t is a true Rosewood and somewhat rare.there are others that are much more rare.there are also others that make better cue stock.the wood is far from light and soft as descbed.i think Qmaker has it confused with something else.Bois de Rose actually just means wood that is red like Bois de Arc is wood of the bow(Osage orange,indians used it for bows).i have seen people call Tulipwood and other red colored woods Bois de Rose.anyway the wood in her cue and that most cuemakers call Bois de Rose is a true Rosewood for a fact and is from Madagascar and the name is Dalbergia Maritima,it is hard and heavy and polishes well.if you want proof,i can post countless links.

 

[QMAKER]

IS BOIS de ROSE A ROSEWOOD?

Qmaker,i am not sure where you get your information from but you are wrong,t is a true Rosewood and somewhat rare.there are others that are much more rare.there are also others that make better cue stock.the wood is far from light and soft as descbed.i think Qmaker has it confused with something else.Bois de Rose actually just means wood that is red like Bois de Arc is wood of the bow(Osage orange,indians used it for bows).i have seen people call Tulipwood and other red colored woods Bois de Rose.anyway the wood in her cue and that most cuemakers call Bois de Rose is a true Rosewood for a fact and is from Madagascar and the name is Dalbergia Maritima,it is hard and heavy and polishes well.if you want proof,i can post countless links.

This is my source: Pierre Detienne, Centre Technique Forestier Tropical, 45 bis, Avenue de Belle Gabrielle, 94736 Nogent-sur-Marne Cedex (France). The reply that I wrote regarding this subject was a direct quote from an article he published in Guitarmaker magazine, June 1992.

Regards,

Bob Flynn
www.denalipoolcues.com

 

[MVPCues]

This is my source: Pierre Detienne, Centre Technique Forestier Tropical, 45 bis, Avenue de Belle Gabrielle, 94736 Nogent-sur-Marne Cedex (France). The reply that I wrote regarding this subject was a direct quote from an article he published in Guitarmaker magazine, June 1992.

Regards,

Bob Flynn
www.denalipoolcues.com

There are two woods commonly called bois de rose. You read info on the other one. The red colored rosewood called bois de rose is Dalbergia maritima.

 

[masonh]

i have seen 3-4 called Bois de Rose in fact,but the one guitar and cuemakers call Bois de Rose is Dalbergia Maritima as kelly said.Pdcue,i was watching CNN Planet in Peril last night and saw what you are talking about with the forest in Madagascar,only 10% left.it would probably be a good idea to buy all the Rosewood and Ebony from Madagascar that you could afford.that stuff will not get any cheaper.it really is pretty sad what has happened over there.most people earn less than $1 per day and they have lost their whole country basically.

 

[JoeyInCali]

i have seen 3-4 called Bois de Rose in fact,but the one guitar and cuemakers call Bois de Rose is Dalbergia Maritima as kelly said.Pdcue,i was watching CNN Planet in Peril last night and saw what you are talking about with the forest in Madagascar,only 10% left.it would probably be a good idea to buy all the Rosewood and Ebony from Madagascar that you could afford.that stuff will not get any cheaper.it really is pretty sad what has happened over there.most people earn less than $1 per day and they have lost their whole country basically.

I never thought the ugly bleeding madagascar rosewoods I have will become so desired someday.
They are just nasty wood to work with. They twist and turn so much they really have to be seasoned for a loooong time if not cored.
Must be good point stock too.
Sad what has happened there.

 

[masonh]

hang on to them,they might be worth big bucks one day.it looks pretty bad over there.i think lots of guys are going over there to find new species of animals,so they can declare the area a preserve or whatever.if they find a new species of animal or insect then they can turn that area into a preserve.i really didn't have any trouble with bleedding,but i wouldn't want to use it next to Maple either.

 

[ridewiththewind]

I never thought the ugly bleeding madagascar rosewoods I have will become so desired someday.
They are just nasty wood to work with. They twist and turn so much they really have to be seasoned for a loooong time if not cored.
Must be good point stock too.
Sad what has happened there.

Keep seasoning that BdR for me, Joey...you know I'll want some! And the beauty is...I'm in no hurry...but it's gonna have to be a full splice.

Lisa

 

[QMAKER]

Bose de Rose oils

Sorry, but you seem to be mistaking the source for an essential oil
used in cosmetics, for the Bois d' Rose Dalbergia species native
to Madagascar.

Hello Dale: My source of information is the article OBSCURE ROSEWOOD SPECIES written by Pierre Detienne of the Centre Technique Forestier Tropical, Paris. Pierre wrote, and I quote, "The "Boise de Rose" of French Guyana is also not a true rosewood. It is actually a white-yellowish wood produced by the species Aniba rosaeodora and Aniba parvifolia. In the past these woods have been used to produce PERFUME" (emphasis added).

Further research indicates that the species mentioned above are commonly used for their oils in the making of aromatic products.

Regards,

Bob Flynn
Denali Pool Cues