Break speed? Theres an app 4 that....

BrendanCrockett

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[QUOTE=9 ball; I did get one strange reading though when I was breaking the balls full whack it came out @ 108mph. No fooling. Love the app though.


Ya that exact same thing happened to me. Hopefully there is an explanation.
 

Rip

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I installed the app on my Blackberry and it works great. Can't wait for the Android version!
 

atthecat

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The good thing about the Break Speed App is that it gives your exact break speed.
The bad thing about the Break Speed App is that it gives your exact break speed!!! LOL
Out of 10 times breaking I averaged 16.5 MPH. I was pocketing balls like crazy though and made two 9 balls.

Absolutely love the App!
 

Lars V

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Cool App!

I just got this app for my iPhone today. It is really cool! I tried it out along with Justin Bergman. I managed a top speed of 26.94mph and Justin got up to 28+ mph. This is consistent with what the both of us have been clocked at in the past with Mark Wilson's MLB quality radar gun. This makes me trust the accuracy.

My vote for features would include:
1. Stats section- average speed, past 10 breaks, highest break etc. I think it would be cool to see averages and such from different spots on the table. I wonder if it would be possible to save some "favorite" break spots in order to save the results to those spots.

2. A "pro" section- would be cool to see some top Pros break speeds.

3. Ability to change users- if the situation comes up where many people are using 1 device to record speeds it would be nice to gather data for an individual user.
 

atthecat

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On the table diagram there is a grey spot and a red spot. Which one do you use for the cue ball position?
 

pnettle

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Going to bundle my replies into one post (hopefully I don't leave anybody out):

Have a question about the measurments, how quiet does the surrounding area need to be? I would think 2-3 tables breaking/shooting in the same area may confuse the device.

To test the quality of the environment, just do this: start a recording for a few seconds and stop it (don't break and don't talk - we want a baseline) then look at the waveform and zoom all the way out (on touch screen devices, just drag your finger down until it stops zooming out.) What do you see?

What you're looking at is the audio waveform centered in the display area. A silent room will be a straight line through the center. The louder a sound is, the more the waveform will expand away from the center. What you're looking for, is to see if the this ambient baseline's waveform extends to the top/bottom of the display area (called 'clipping') on a regular basis. A few single lines jumping to the top/bottom is fine - but if you see 'clipping' on a regular basis, then the room is probably too noisy. Sometimes, you may see a single spike that is more than just a single pixel - this could be a person talking or some other periodic noise. These types of sounds can usually be overcome by the break recognition, but it depends on what types of sounds they are.

Downloaded the app for my blackberry and tried it out in the basement last night. I am going to buy it, but I have had mixed results with it so far.

The BlackBerry devices have something called Auto Gain Control (AGC) on the microphone. Basically, this means that as sounds are recorded, they are "decimated" such that everything is roughly the same volume. Somebody talking or rustling paper ends up being about the same volume as somebody hitting a break shot. AGC plays havoc on any audio recognition technology (voice recognition, voice printing, etc.) and Break Recognition is no different.

In our defense: There has been a great amount of research done in the area of audio analysis for patterns that resemble breaks, and our results exceed those in published papers. However, when you add AGC into the mix, the challenge is that much greater.

So, what can you do about it?

First, try to find a place to set the phone that works best. I realize this sounds like the silly, obvious answer, but let me explain further. If you can control the environmental noise (in your home), then placing the phone on the rail isn't necessary. Instead, try placing the phone about 10 feet away. The trick here is that if the 'tip hit' sound isn't too loud, then it won't trigger the AGC. The break will, but that's okay. Try adjusting the distance until you find the most reliable results. The danger in placing the phone too far from the table is that the echo of a break sounds remarkably like a break :) , and can confuse the software. These echos are very rare, though. In all of our testing, we have only run into them once - at the US open - because we were not able to place the phone on the table, and because the room was large and... well... echoy. :) We were still able to find a good spot that gave us fantastic results from about 25 feet away.

You have another option - if it misses a break that you really want to know the speed of, you can edit the detection points yourself. On the BlackBerry, you can roll the trackball to find the markers (just below the waveform display), select them and move them left/right. There's more information on our site about exactly how to do this in our BlackBerry FAQ.

Can you figure out a way to use the sound on the iPod without using headphones.

Yep. If you look in our FAQ, there is a link to a small microphone that you can purchase for the iPod. Or just search google for "ipod microphone". The one I use looks like a small black eraser.

This is the microphone I used during development and the same microphone we used during the US Open broadcast. (Most people didn't realize this, but that was an iPod we used, not an iPhone.)
 

pnettle

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On the table diagram there is a grey spot and a red spot. Which one do you use for the cue ball position?

The black/white spot. The kitchen is on the left-side of the graphical table. The red circle is actually supposed to represent the head ball of the rack - I know that's not obvious, but it's less boring than having nothing there. :)
 

pnettle

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I would think 2-3 tables breaking/shooting in the same area may confuse the device.

Forgot to cover this in my previous reply...

I've never seen it capture another players break over mine. If you start a recording and right after you start it, a player across the pool room breaks. If, at this point, you stop the recording, you will probably get their break. However, in this case, we're not going to stop it - let it keep recording. While you're chalking your cue, the player on the table NEXT to you breaks. At this point, if you stop the recording, it will capture your neighbor's break (and not the one across the room that it recorded first.) Again, though, we're going to let it keep recording. This time, you break. When you finally stop the recording, the Break Recognition will find all three breaks, but will always report back on yours. You can even edit the waveform to make sure if you don't believe me. Really, try it. It's cool!

In fact, I've only ever seen it fail to capture the break I want twice, due to another person's break. And the only way this can happen, is if somebody else's cue-ball hits their rack WHILE your cue ball is in motion toward your rack. As you can imagine, this is very rare. I've only ever had this happen twice. And as luck would have it, this happened twice at the US Open (there were other matches going on Friday night that were off camera.) Those were the only two breaks we failed to capture.
 
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Samiel

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I tried this out last night. I averaged around 16-17 MPH for my normal break. I got over 18 MPH, but not over 19 MPH. I guess I need to eat my Wheaties.
 

hang-the-9

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HEY MODS! Make this a sticky or give it it's own section. I can see where people can start posting their results.

For a app suggestion, maybe setup a username for the ah.. users, put the results online. Pretty much like what the computer benchmark people do, you can post your system results and view and compare it to other online users. I'd pay a few $ more for this function if needed.

Just downloaded this for my Windows Mobile, love the table position adjustment, well thought out application. Quick question on that. Why did you make the table move instead of the ball? Programing issue? What was it if I may ask?
 
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pnettle

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HEY MODS! Make this a sticky or give it it's own section. I can see where people can start posting their results

I was going to ask for a section as well... we're collecting stats for ahhh... mmmm.... secret feature. If people had a place to post their stats so they could compare, we would also get the stats we're looking for.

Just downloaded this for my Windows Mobile, love the table position adjustment, well thought out application. Quick question on that. Why did you make the table move instead of the ball? Programing issue? What was it if I may ask?

It's actually a practicality issue. You're seeing, I think, the 4th or 5th generation of that interface (the original was wireframe and required a stylus.) But the end result is that if you move the cue ball around, then your finger is on top of the cue-ball, so you can't see what you're doing.
 

deebee53

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Very cool.

Hurry up with the Android App!

Also, please drop the sound from your web site. Its just annoying.
 

8ball-alex

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Me and a friend tried this one out today. Quite fun!

My hardest break was in 9ball with 25.59 MPH (had one recorded 123 MPH tho, but I consider it as a bug =P ), and a 10ball break I had was 25.45 MPH.

My friend had his best 9ball break of 28.67 MPH, and his best 10ball break was 28.75 MPH.
 

JCurry

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I haven't bought an app for my phone in probably 2 years. But I just bought this as well. I can't wait to try it out in league next week. This should settle some arguments about who has the hardest break.
 

pnettle

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Just showing off my new signature line (hint, hint!)

Feel free to steal mine:

Top [u][url="http://www.MyBreakSpeed.com/"]Break Speed[/url][/u]: [COLOR="DarkRed"]00.00MPH[/COLOR]
 

2_Fast_4_Fleas

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Very Cool app! Breaking with my hand on the cloth i was averaging 23-23.5 with controling the cueball, max speed of almost 26.....Breaking from the side rail i had more control with more speed averaging 25-26 with a max speed of 29.61 WOW! never knew my breaking speed, im thinking of ways to bet with this thing :)
 

KMRUNOUT

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Very Cool app! Breaking with my hand on the cloth i was averaging 23-23.5 with controling the cueball, max speed of almost 26.....Breaking from the side rail i had more control with more speed averaging 25-26 with a max speed of 29.61 WOW! never knew my breaking speed, im thinking of ways to bet with this thing :)

did you remember to change the position of the cue ball in the program lol? I found I could really get some speed by placing the cueball in the center of the table but telling the program it was at the side rail. I was hitting about 36 mph. Probably worth checking ha ha.

KMRUNOUT
 

sponge bob

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Really looking forward to the Android version! You should let us know through your signature when its available.
 

JCurry

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We (NewStroke and I) used this today at lunch. It's seems to work very good. We only had one break that read 70+ MPH, but I am pretty sure that was becuase of the ping-pong people next to us. I was averaging 15-17 mph. Dan had one that was 19. I guess my break isn't all that after reading all of the ppl here with 20+ mph breaks.
 
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