Break Stats -- Van Boening vs. Chinahov 10-Ball Challenge Match, Nov. 6, 2015

[AtLarge]

Here are some results from the ABN Billiards Challenge Match -- Shane Van Boening vs. Ruslan Chinahov race to 30 in 10-Ball -- played today at the Olympic Stadium in Moscow. Free streaming was provided by genipool14. Chinahov won 30-22 after the match was tied at 15.

The conditions for this call-shot 10-ball match included the following: 9-foot Dynamic III table, Simonis green cloth, Aramith balls, measles cue ball, racking template (Magic Rack, I think), jump cues allowed, winner breaks from outside a two-diamonds-wide non-break box, and breaker racks for himself with the 1-ball on the foot string and the 2- and 3-balls on the back corners.

Van Boening broke 22 times, with the following results:

Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and won the game -- 6 (27%)​

Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and lost the game -- 6 (27%)​

Broke dry or fouled but won the game -- 3 (14%)​

Broke dry or fouled and lost the game -- 7 (32%)​

Chinahov broke 30 times, with the following results:

Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and won the game -- 14 (47%)​

Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and lost the game -- 8 (27%)​

Broke dry or fouled but won the game -- 3 (10%)​

Broke dry or fouled and lost the game -- 5 (17%)​

For the two players combined, the breaker made at least one ball and did not foul 65% of the time (34 of 52), won 50% of the games (26 of 52), won 59% of the games (20 of 34) in which he made a ball on the break without fouling, broke and ran 29% of the games (15 of 52), and broke and ran 44% of the games (15 of 34) in which he made a ball on the break without fouling.

Break-and-run games -- on all breaks:

Van Boening -- 3 of 22 (14%)​

Chinahov -- 12 of 30 (40%)​

Total -- 15 of 52 (29%)​

Break-and-run games -- on successful breaks (made at least one ball and did not foul):

Van Boening -- 3 of 12 (25%)​

Chinahov -- 12 of 22 (55%)​

Total -- 15 of 34 (44%)​

Fouls:

Van Boening -- 6 (including 1 on the break)​

Chinahov -- 6 (including 2 on the break)​

Total -- 12​

Missed shots (approximately):

Van Boening -- 9​

Chinahov -- 20​

Total -- 29​

Run-outs from first shot after break:

By Van Boening after his own successful break -- 3 of 12 (25%)​

By Van Boening after Chinahov's failed break -- 2 of 8 (25%)​

By Van Boening, total -- 5 of 20 (25%)​

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By Chinahov after his own successful break -- 12 of 22 (55%)​

By Chinahov after Van Boening's failed break -- 3 of 10 (30%)​

By Chinahov, total -- 15 of 32 (47%)​

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Total for Van Boening and Chinahov -- 20 of 52 (38%)​

Run-outs from first shot after Van Boening's break:

By Van Boening -- 3 of 12 (25%)​

By Chinahov -- 3 of 10 (30%)​

Total -- 6 of 22 (27%)​

Run-outs from first shot after Chinahov's break:

By Chinahov -- 12 of 22 (55%)​

By Van Boening -- 2 of 8 (25%)​

Total -- 14 of 30 (47%)​

Match length = 4 hours and 48 minutes, for an average of 5.6 minutes per game. [Note: This included racking and two timeouts of about 10 min. each.]

 

[spartan]

Awesome stuff Atlarge
It is great that you now added more to repertoire with more stats like missed shots , runouts
So besides Chinakov breaking much better , Shane also did not capitalise on Chinakov's bigger number of missed shots (Chinakov has double number of missed shots)
Thanks

 

[BeiberLvr]

Awesome stuff Atlarge
It is great that you now added more to repertoire with more stats like missed shots , runouts
So besides Chinakov breaking much better , Shane also did not capitalise on Chinakov's bigger number of missed shots (Chinakov has double number of missed shots)
Thanks

I didn't watch the entire match, but Shane not capitalizing on Ruslan's missed shots really depends on where he left Shane after missing.

 

[spartan]

I didn't watch the entire match, but Shane not capitalizing on Ruslan's missed shots really depends on where he left Shane after missing.

I saw the last 5 to 10 racks and Shane did fail to capitalise on number of missed shots by Ruslan
You are right that Ruslan may have left Shane bad shot after miss and may not make much difference if Ruslan had say few more missed shots
But here Ruslan had 11 more missed shots- at their level even if we take 2 to 3 missed shots per rack that could have been 4 racks that Shane should have won. And since Ruslan won 30-22 that could have been 26-26

 

[realkingcobra]

Has it crossed anyone's mind that maybe, just maybe...Shane wasn't suppose to win?

 

[BasementDweller]

No...only yours RKC.

 

[BasementDweller]

I did wonder if he was walking into a trap with the breaking rules. It was obviously a big disadvantage for him.

 

[realkingcobra]

I did wonder if he was walking into a trap with the breaking rules. It was obviously a big disadvantage for him.

When was the last time you saw Shane run so few racks, and miss so much, and not punish his opponent for failing to make a ball, and turn the table back over to him?

 

[(((Satori)))]

When was the last time you saw Shane run so few racks, and miss so much, and not punish his opponent for failing to make a ball, and turn the table back over to him?

Where are you going with this?

Shane has bad karma?
Shane dumped?

What?

 

[realkingcobra]

[QUOT E=(((Satori)));5352086]Where are you going with this?

Shane has bad karma
Shane dumped?

What?[/QUOTE]

I just feel that with Russia entering the pool playing world, and has actually bought some Diamond 9ft pool tables 10fts' included, that this could have been more of an ambassador role for Shane as opposed to a money match, and I'm not saying Diamond has anything to do with this, because they wouldn't in the first place. I'm just wondering is all, that's it. It would actually make since to me as to why he played so bad and lost. Like I said, maybe he really wasn't suppose to win, as it would further inspire more Russians to pick up a cue and start playing pool...if they had a local hero...who beat the great SVB. Can you mention any other American pool players who've played a challenge match in Russia.....other than Earl Strickland, who played Russian pyramid over there as well

 

[one stroke]

Has it crossed anyone's mind that maybe, just maybe...Shane wasn't suppose to win?

Yep ,

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[one stroke]

[QUOT E=(((Satori)));5352086]Where are you going with this?

Shane has bad karma
Shane dumped?

What?

I just feel that with Russia entering the pool playing world, and has actually bought some Diamond 9ft pool tables 10fts' included, that this could have been more of an ambassador role for Shane as opposed to a money match, and I'm not saying Diamond has anything to do with this, because they wouldn't in the first place. I'm just wondering is all, that's it. It would actually make since to me as to why he played so bad and lost. Like I said, maybe he really wasn't suppose to win, as it would further inspire more Russians to pick up a cue and start playing pool...if they had a local hero...who beat the great SVB. Can you mention any other American pool players who've played a challenge match in Russia.....other than Earl Strickland, who played Russian pyramid over there as well[/QUOTE]
In case anyone hadn't noticed Shane has not been on top of his game he's lost a few challenge matches didn't play well at the open or Stienways
Like Tiger once the chink in the amour gets exposed players take notice and don't feel beaten before the first ball is struck some idiots will claim it's the variances but the smart people realize that the gap in talent is no where what they want to think that it is and and it has little to do with the outcome
Shane simply is not Tiger in his day there's more than a couple who can beat him at any given time

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[Cardigan Kid]

Did anyone else find it interesting that the break from outside the box rule was only found out by Shane during a pre match interview the day before? I've watched a ton of ten ball and this was a first for me. AtLarge, have you seen this rule in action before?

The stats here, and from what I saw in the match, it was apparent that Shane was searching for an answer to the new break rule. I saw his usual power/full 1 ball break from the left a few times, then more of a cut shot break from the left side come up dry and with no control on the one ball (like Shane does with his usual break) Later, he went to the right from where Ruslan was breaking from and tried there with minimal results.

Ruslan on the other hand was breaking phenomenal, with multiple balls down plenty of times. One rack had 4 balls down with the four hanging, setting up a nice runout.

I'm shocked at the missed ball number, because it appeared Ruslan never missed. It was a great performance on his part.

Thanks for the diligent stat keeping, AtLarge. Always the best.
:thumbup:

 

[realkingcobra]

I just feel that with Russia entering the pool playing world, and has actually bought some Diamond 9ft pool tables 10fts' included, that this could have been more of an ambassador role for Shane as opposed to a money match, and I'm not saying Diamond has anything to do with this, because they wouldn't in the first place. I'm just wondering is all, that's it. It would actually make since to me as to why he played so bad and lost. Like I said, maybe he really wasn't suppose to win, as it would further inspire more Russians to pick up a cue and start playing pool...if they had a local hero...who beat the great SVB. Can you mention any other American pool players who've played a challenge match in Russia.....other than Earl Strickland, who played Russian pyramid over there as well

In case anyone hadn't noticed Shane has not been on top of his game he's lost a few challenge matches didn't play well at the open or Stienways
Like Tiger once the chink in the amour gets exposed players take notice and don't feel beaten before the first ball is struck some idiots will claim it's the variances but the smart people realize that the gap in talent is no where what they want to think that it is and and it has little to do with the outcome
Shane simply is not Tiger in his day there's more than a couple who can beat him at any given time

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Ummmm, I don't know if I'd call it chink in Shane's armor, if he has to bend to their rules in order to play him...would you? Is everyone scared to play Shane straight up even without requesting some kind of change in the rules, or special requirements before they can match up....naaaa, there's a line of players waiting to play Shane...straight up even...chink or no chink...right?

Yeah, you're probably right, I mean, Shane not playing his best and losing to promote pool in Russia....well, that would stand as much chance of the heavyweight boxing champion of the world....getting into the ring with a wrestler, yeah....not much chance of that happening

 

[kagewest]

I wouldent put it past Russia to pay shane to dump. I wouldent blame shane for doing it either money is hard to come by is this sport. But purely speculation.

 

[one stroke]

Did anyone else find it interesting that the break from outside the box rule was only found out by Shane during a pre match interview the day before? I've watched a ton of ten ball and this was a first for me. AtLarge, have you seen this rule in action before?

The stats here, and from what I saw in the match, it was apparent that Shane was searching for an answer to the new break rule. I saw his usual power/full 1 ball break from the left a few times, then more of a cut shot break from the left side come up dry and with no control on the one ball (like Shane does with his usual break) Later, he went to the right from where Ruslan was breaking from and tried there with minimal results.

Ruslan on the other hand was breaking phenomenal, with multiple balls down plenty of times. One rack had 4 balls down with the four hanging, setting up a nice runout.

I'm shocked at the missed ball number, because it appeared Ruslan never missed. It was a great performance on his part.

Thanks for the diligent stat keeping, AtLarge. Always the best.
:thumbup:

I didn't watch but if you told me s guy missed 20 balls against Shane in a race to 30 no way I'm believe he lost unless the majority was 2 way shots and if that is the case this guys a unbelievable player

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[Sloppy Pockets]

I'm shocked at the missed ball number, because it appeared Ruslan never missed. It was a great performance on his part.

It seemed to me that the majority of his misses happened early in the match. Shane did capitalize on these mistakes and took an early lead. They both played poorly in the beginning, but by the mid-point break Chinahov had recovered and wasn't missing much.
Shane never seemed to get in stroke until very late in the match. By then it was too late.

 

[BeiberLvr]

If anyone wants to see what might be Ruslan's top gear, watch this match

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL0H9fnta0U

Still don't know a lot about him, but I'm definitely a fan.

 

[robsnotes4u]

Sometimes you just lose, or just get beat. One match.

RKC what did you think of the table? Looked like a 9 foot valley


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[Poolmanis]

I´ve played and installed quite a few Dynamic´s in the past.

They are quite a close to be a copy of GC 3. They got okay leveling screws and all but thats it.
Olympic 1 was nice table. After that manufacturing went to China and slate materials were worse also.

Many times dynamic have to ping pong rails and not so level slates.
I personally dislike em quite a lot. Olympic(Dynamic)1 was good table. Haven´t played newest ones. Maybe 5 years since I last time played on Dynamic.