Broken Glass & This Shot

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DrCue'sProtege

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i was suffering from horrible rolls off the break tonight, and when i did have a couple of chances i managed to mess them up. i had the below spread to finally run a rack, and i have no idea what happened after that. i thought i was going to finally run a rack. i hit the 8-Ball pretty hard, it rattled around the pocket before it fell in, but.............

THE CUE BALL JUST DIED COMING OFF THE RAIL!!!

and i ended up around Point A with no shot, and another botched runout. i got so mad!!! i KNOW i hit that shot too hard if anything, i dont know what happened!!! i was so mad and frustrated i just grabbed the cue ball and slammed it down on the table, and it bounces up and into my lights, and just smashes one of my long 4 foot flourescent lights and glass and pieces of the light are splattered all over my table.

i sat down on my chair, and just stared at the mess, wondering what i have to do? its like the laws of physics dont apply when i play. finally i got up and picked up the big pieces of glass, went upstairs and got my sweeper and swept up ever so gingerly the smaller pieces off the cloth. i dont believe there is any damage done. i was lucky. i replaced the light and am back in business.

i just cannot fathom how that ball died and stayed there. if anything, i hit it too hard............

DCP

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My first hunch is the the lay out is not exactly right and that you may have had an even shallower angle than you show...

My second hunch is you attempted to draw the ball at high speed, (rattled the 8) but had no left english on the cb...

The shallow angle kills the speed and your draw was only good enough to pull you back to the point you ended up...

My third hunch (if that is indeed the angle) you should have hit the shot very smooth with a touch of draw and left english so the the CB grabs the rail....(it is the english that helps get you back up table.....moreso than the draw)

Of course this depends on the exact layout....but that is my "hunch"

Pay close attention to the tangent line and how much momentum the CB is going to lose at impact....
 
Yeah yeah, blah blah, whinge whinge.. I could only take so much negativity, so I stopped reading halfway through, took a few deep breaths, and barfed down my shirt.

Even though you have been told multiple times you need to eliminate negative thinking and negative terminology from your game, you CONTINUE to use words like "horrible rolls" (get a clue, man.. there ARE NO ROLLS) "managed to mess up", "finally going to run a rack", "botched runout", "its like the laws of physics dont apply when i play".

This is the most negative, self defeating thinking I have ever seen from a pool player. It virtually INSURES THAT YOU WILL FIND A WAY TO LOSE when you think like this.

I think you should take up tic tac toe. You have been told many many many times what you need to do to fix your mental game, and you refuse to do so. Just face it, you will never be a champion, and you are born to lose.

Sorry, man. I know it sucks. But for there to be winners, there must also be losers. Look at the bright side, (even though you seem incapable of ever looking at things positively) at least you have a dedicated purpose in the cosmos.

Russ
 
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Russ Chewning said:
Just face it, you will never be a champion, and you are born to lose.
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this is so funny! the golf pro at our club used to sing those very words to me. honest, he did.

one day, after the first round of our club championship years ago i got about 5-6 bad hops and moaned and groaned about it in the clubhouse. he laughed, and started singing "BORN TO LOSE" to me. i told him that 71 could have easily been 67-68 if it wasnt for the bad hops.

the following week, in the final round, no bad hops occurred and i shot 68, and won the championship flight going away.

but i agree, when it comes to pool, for some reason i am just BORN TO LOSE...........:(

DCP
 
Ask yourself this...did I deserve a good cueball position after stroking the ball so bad? Let's face it...you simply stroked a bad draw shot. You hit it too hard and probably held a death grip on the cue. Maybe it's a miracle the cueball got as far as it did considering the type of stroke you used. And even at point A, you still had a shot...a bank or a cut.
 
Instead of getting so angry that you hit your cue stick on the table (a major sin in my book) set the shot up again and try to figure out what YOU did wrong. Put a good stroke on the cue ball and hit it with a straight draw then low outside and work your way around the clock. Watch where the cue ball goes!!! When YOU figure out the best way to get the cue ball to the proper position set the shot up again, and again, and again (this is called practice).
You will learn more doing things this way than taking the shot once and asking what you did wrong. I was not there and did not see your stroke and cannot tell you what went wrong.
Also if you use the cue ball in the CueTable diagram to show where you think you hit the cue ball it would help everyone try to figure out what went wrong.



Andy
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
i ended up around Point A with no shot, and another botched runout. i got so mad!!! i KNOW i hit that shot too hard if anything, i dont know what happened!!!

i sat down on my chair, and just stared at the mess, wondering what i have to do? its like the laws of physics dont apply when i play. finally i got up and picked up the big pieces of glass, went upstairs and got my sweeper and swept up ever so gingerly the smaller pieces off the cloth. i dont believe there is any damage done. i was lucky. i replaced the light and am back in business.

i just cannot fathom how that ball died and stayed there. if anything, i hit it too hard............

DCP
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DCP, From point A, you actually do have a two-way shot on the 9. It's a thin cut but the 9 is quite makable into the upper corner pocket. If you miss, the 9 should end up on the short rail and the cue ball will land on the other end of the table, leaving your opponent with a tough shot.

I had a similar pattern to yours last night while playing 8-ball. In my game, I didn't draw stroke the 5 very well and ended up with a similar tough cut on the 8. But I kept my composure and made the 8 anyway. Next chance I get, I'll practice it a bit so I do better the next time. You should do the same.
 
Hey, DCP, don't get so down on yourself. Be happy the 8 ball potted. Imagine if you had left it a hanger in the pocket for your opponent.

And that 9 ball cut isn't so tough... Just cut the sucker in!

Flex
 
WesleyW said:
Sounds like a bad stroke.
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Wouldn't be surprised if there's a vision/sighting problem somewhere in there...

Hey, DCP, your eyes any good? Wear glasses? If so, any astigmatism to screw things up?

Flex
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
THE CUE BALL JUST DIED COMING OFF THE RAIL!!!

..... its like the laws of physics dont apply when i play.

i just cannot fathom how that ball died and stayed there. if anything, i hit it too hard............

DCP
DCP,
Man, physics ALWAYS applies - IT'S THE LAW.

If you are that good a golfer, then you know that from inspecting the ball path and curve, you can tell EXACTLY what happened during your swing. Pool is no different.

As Efren once told me, "whitey doesn't lie." What whitey did is what you did - it's up to you to figure out why. What you think you are doing and what you are actually doing are 2 different things.

Suspecting that the laws of physics were temporarily suspended is not the most likely theory for this result (though definitely an entertaining hypothesis). If you don't know why whitey did that; you DEFINITELY need some lessons. If you think you hit it too hard and got that result; you DEFINITELY need some lessons. If you have trouble with the long draw; you DEFINITELY need some lessons. If you can't make that 9 ball in the diagram at least 95% of the time; you DEFINITELY need some lessons. If you ever get mad enough to bust your light or your drywall; you DEFINITELY need some lessons. If you think that rack was a result of bad luck; you DEFINITELY need some lessons.

Please read Blackjack's post on your other thread ("Repeat Lesson Concerns") about the responsibility of the student - it is a classic, and one of the best posts of the year. If you haven't memorized it already; you DEFINITELY need some lessons.
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DrCue'sProtege said:
THE CUE BALL JUST DIED COMING OFF THE RAIL!!!

and i ended up around Point A with no shot, and another botched runout. i got so mad!!! i KNOW i hit that shot too hard if anything, i dont know what happened!!! i was so mad and frustrated i just grabbed the cue ball and slammed it down on the table, and it bounces up and into my lights, and just smashes one of my long 4 foot flourescent lights and glass and pieces of the light are splattered all over my table.
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Posts like this make me want to barf. Stop being such a cry baby. Stop throwing temper tantrums. Stop abusing your equipment. Well, it's your equipment, you can smash it if you want to, but it's ridiculous. Hopefully you learned your lesson after that light smashed, but I doubt it. Just buy a punching bag for your pool room so you can take out your anger on something that's meant for it.

After you repaired the light and before you posted this thread, how many times did you set that shot on the 8-ball back up and try it again? No need to answer, as it's obvious that the answer is ZERO. If you had practiced it again, your post would have been different. Just figure out what you did wrong by setting it back up again. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and especially stop trying to make us feel sorry for you.
 
You actually broke the light above the table bouncing the cue off the table? Not sure of your height, but you would have to use a half-throw at best to get this kind of angle off the cloth. Considering you maintained enough speed to get the ball to bounce that high, that's pretty impressive. Pool is a game of small motions.. outbursts like this tell me you really don't go to the table with the right mindset.

You were on your own table.. if you were angry enough to forfeit and pick up the cue ball, why not put it back where it was and shoot again, and again, until you get it right? Only that level of obsession with your game will lead to a better stroke.
 
That wasn't minature golf was it?

DrCue'sProtege said:
this is so funny! the golf pro at our club used to sing those very words to me. honest, he did.

one day, after the first round of our club championship years ago i got about 5-6 bad hops and moaned and groaned about it in the clubhouse. he laughed, and started singing "BORN TO LOSE" to me. i told him that 71 could have easily been 67-68 if it wasnt for the bad hops.

the following week, in the final round, no bad hops occurred and i shot 68, and won the championship flight going away.

but i agree, when it comes to pool, for some reason i am just BORN TO LOSE...........:(

DCP
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DCP -- If I could play golf that well quitting pool would be almost easy! Suggest you do that.
 
Jigger said:
DCP -- If I could play golf that well quitting pool would be almost easy! Suggest you do that.
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No seriously.. I REALLLLLLLLLY believe that DCP had the obsessive mindset to hit- ball..after ball..
after ball..after ball
after ball..after ball
after ball..after ball
after ball..after ball
after ball..after ball
after ball..after ball
after ball..after ball
after ball..after ball
after ball..after ball
after ball..after ball
after ball..after ball
after ball..after ball


on the driving range in order to get a golf swing that would allow you to put up that kind of score.. For even ONE round.

I'm calling shenanigans here...

SHENANIGANS, I say! :D

DCP I'm going waaaaaaaaayyy out on a limb here.. $100.00 sez you never won your club championship by shooting a 68. You don't have the "winner's mindset". You proved that by saying "one day, after the first round of our club championship years ago i got about 5-6 bad hops"... As soon as you said "bad hops", I thought "loser talk".

Only losers talk about "bad rolls" and "bad hops" as much as you do. Winners know that the rolls and hops even out for everyone, so it's impossible to get a "bad roll".

Russ
 
Cuebacca said:
Posts like this make me want to barf. Stop being such a cry baby. Stop throwing temper tantrums. Stop abusing your equipment. Well, it's your equipment, you can smash it if you want to, but it's ridiculous. Hopefully you learned your lesson after that light smashed, but I doubt it. Just buy a punching bag for your pool room so you can take out your anger on something that's meant for it.

After you repaired the light and before you posted this thread, how many times did you set that shot on the 8-ball back up and try it again? No need to answer, as it's obvious that the answer is ZERO. If you had practiced it again, your post would have been different. Just figure out what you did wrong by setting it back up again. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and especially stop trying to make us feel sorry for you.
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I don't feel sorry for him. Actually, I think he may like having that stuff happen to him. Lets him vent and so on. Gotta admit some of these posts make me chuckle.

Flex
 
Russ Chewning said:
Only losers talk about "bad rolls" and "bad hops" as much as you do. Winners know that the rolls and hops even out for everyone, so it's impossible to get a "bad roll".

Russ
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I think I may know what's going on. DCP is looking for action...
 
while i don't agree that people don't get rolls like russ implied. but i do agree that being negative is one way to almost guarantee you'll play bad. stay positive. if you do come up short, think back to what you did wrong( If you came up short it wasn't physics, God, or the table it was probably you) and try not to do it again. so what if you don't get the shot you wanted,you got some short of shot right. i like the way Danny Diliberto puts it " i don't care if the cueball stops on the lights you gotta be happy to get back to the table"
 
.........and you cant cut the 9 ball in WHY?????????

I just don't get you............

After you get to a certain level, its not about what happens on the table, its all about what happens in your HEAD. And, I don't mean your little one either.

PISS POOR PRACTICE, RESULTS IN PISS POOR PERFORMANCE!!!!!!

And, your negativity sure does't help........

Russ......
 
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