Broken/Split Predator 314-5

[Hoogaar]

Hi guys,

Not sure if this is the right place to post this - if not, please direct me to the proper forum, though I imagine some of you experts should be able to at least offer some ideas.

Anyway, I have a Predator First Edition 314-5 cue - you can see it on Predator's website under retired cues.

A couple of years ago my cue got knocked over and the landed on a wrought iron table leg, and the thing just split apart. My question is, what would you recommend I do with this? Is this fixable, or do I just forget about it and junk it? If it is fixable, would it look like new, or would it require some splicing and cutting into the inlays? Honestly I have no clue about the cue making/repair process, so sorry if some of these questions are stupid, but I would very much appreciate any help any of you could provide. I've included a few pics of my cue.

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[GBCues]

IMHO you are SOL!
Do you grow tomatoes? Perhaps re-purpose the longest piece as a tomato stake.
Sorry!
Gary

 

[JoeyInCali]

IMHO you are SOL!
Do you grow tomatoes? Perhaps re-purpose the longest piece as a tomato stake.
Sorry!
Gary

And you really believe it just fell apart by falling on a wrought iron ?

That cue was made before Pred started coring everything of course.

Ryan at Mueller's might be able to fix that.

 

[Billyard]

I would say that it is a goner. You could make a frame for it and hang on the wall but I don't think you will be shooting with this cue again.

 

[cuejo]

I would check with Ryan too.
He's posted up some pics of cues I thought were goners and made em good

 

[carguy]

From what I've seen of his work, Ryan can fix this. The structural part does not look impossible at all to me. Ryan is particularly good at repairing the cosmetic details.
Due to the nature of the repair needed, the cue may or may not play the way it did before the damage.
Assuming the cue does not have a large sentimental or other special value, what is the replacement value of this cue? I would let that be my guide.
I'd ask Ryan what he would get for the job and go from there.

Robin Snyder

 

[Tommy-D]

Maybe it hit that table leg with enough force to drive a nail...:shakehead:.

Based on the info in the pics,I would think it really pegged that steel to have caused this.

If someone brought this to me,my first thought would be to ask if whoever had that butt wrapped around his head during a fight actually survived the head injury .

I'm pretty sure this cue above can be made playable again,but think it won't pass muster on looks. It won't be one of those jobs that just LOOKS like it was never broke.

I once saw a Lishan break,which was an early 90's import brand,and like many they were hit and miss.

This particular cue was BOTH. It played beautifully,combining the stiffness and overall feel of a Schon or something else with a tight,piloted SS joint,and the spin volume and LD characteristics of the old-school Meucci.

Where the cue fell short was on the quality of the wood. My buddy that owned it said he had to tighten the joint back up a couple times while he was shooting,like it was just coming loose or making a noise like it was.

He bumped the cue against his palm a couple times with the shaft on it to see if it still made the noise.

On the 3rd bump,the shaft and entire joint assembly broke off maybe an inch down past the bottom of the phenolic collar below the steel joint,which left about 1/4 inch of the pin exposed,since it was no longer in the hole. The pin was no more than 2" long,with a full 3" it wouldn't have broke the way it did.

The shaft was ok,and sold later that night. The butt was in the trash can when we left.

It could probably have been fixed with the advances in glue and technique. Tommy D.

 

[pescadoman]

And you really believe it just fell apart by falling on a wrought iron ?

That cue was made before Pred started coring everything of course.

Ryan at Mueller's might be able to fix that.

I saw a vintage Gina split cleanly into two pieces in about that same spot after a guy let it fall from his hand. Butt on the floor...cue vertical....let it fall over like the leaning tower of Pisa. SNAP!!!! You don't seen a 10k cue break in half everyday, but this one did.. I never would have believed it, but I was there about 15 feet away and saw the whole thing unfold. Jerry McWorter was able to fix it. I've done ALOT worse to cues without damaging them...

 

[Hoogaar]

I saw a vintage Gina split cleanly into two pieces in about that same spot after a guy let it fall from his hand. Butt on the floor...cue vertical....let it fall over like the leaning tower of Pisa. SNAP!!!! You don't seen a 10k cue break in half everyday, but this one did.. I never would have believed it, but I was there about 15 feet away and saw the whole thing unfold. Jerry McWorter was able to fix it. I've done ALOT worse to cues without damaging them...

Thanks for this. Not sure about all the condescending bar fight comments and such. If I would have snapped it I would have said I snapped it - I'm not looking for warranty repair or anything. I've seen cues get broken before and IIRC there are usually splinters and broken wood, but this just split in 2 clean in 2 with only a little chip in the finish -basically when I put the 2 pieces together you can barely even tell other than the one chip in the finish. .

Anyway, was just wondering if this was something that was repairable as I have 2 shafts that go with it (1 unchalked, both with Moori M tips), and figured if it wouldn't be too hard/expensive to make it look almost like new, I would explore that. And no - not really much sentimental value - it was bought off of eBay along with a Predator 1st Edition break cue like 10 years ago for about $600.

Thanks again for the replies.

 

[Tommy-D]

I was just trying to be funny about the bar fight scenario,but typically when I see a stick get broken in my area,that was usually the source. No offense meant to you .

I've only seen one cue get broken in a fight where the cue was used as a weapon,but seen a fight spill over into other areas and saw a few cues get knocked over and broke during a fight. Tommy D.

 

[JoeyInCali]

I saw a vintage Gina split cleanly into two pieces in about that same spot after a guy let it fall from his hand. Butt on the floor...cue vertical....let it fall over like the leaning tower of Pisa. SNAP!!!! You don't seen a 10k cue break in half everyday, but this one did.. I never would have believed it, but I was there about 15 feet away and saw the whole thing unfold. Jerry McWorter was able to fix it. I've done ALOT worse to cues without damaging them...

We've been here before .
If you look at that Pred, it broke along the grain.
So, it might have just broke like what you saw.
Someone argued coring is not needed on BEM bc Gus didn't
do it. Well, someone claimed a Gus broke that way too.
A good straight grain dowel in the middle virtually eliminates
this bem problem IMO.

 

[the kidd]

I agree Joey, looks like coring and doweling

I agree Joey, looks like coring and doweling would have prevented this break. Good post.

We've been here before .
If you look at that Pred, it broke along the grain.
So, it might have just broke like what you saw.
Someone argued coring is not needed on BEM bc Gus didn't
do it. Well, someone claimed a Gus broke that way too.
A good straight grain dowel in the middle virtually eliminates
this bem problem IMO.

 

[the kidd]

Back to maker

I would send it back to the manufacturer.

Hi guys,

Not sure if this is the right place to post this - if not, please direct me to the proper forum, though I imagine some of you experts should be able to at least offer some ideas.

Anyway, I have a Predator First Edition 314-5 cue - you can see it on Predator's website under retired cues.

A couple of years ago my cue got knocked over and the landed on a wrought iron table leg, and the thing just split apart. My question is, what would you recommend I do with this? Is this fixable, or do I just forget about it and junk it? If it is fixable, would it look like new, or would it require some splicing and cutting into the inlays? Honestly I have no clue about the cue making/repair process, so sorry if some of these questions are stupid, but I would very much appreciate any help any of you could provide. I've included a few pics of my cue.

EDIT: LOL, I can't post links until I have 10 reputation - I have minus 4,662,134 - WTF is that?