Brunswick Joss Or Not

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Speak of the devil, looks like this cue has been making the rounds for 20 years;)

brunswick cues - made by joss?

i'm going to list these cues on e-bay soon, and want to get my facts straight. was this series produced by joss, and does anyone know when they were made? any info is greatly appreciated, and if anyone wants to make an offer, i'll be happy to listen.
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i THINK that cue is not a Brunswick by Joss. in the brochure there was maybe 6 - 8 cues shown. i think the ones made by Joss were labeled Joss for brunswick. somebody out there probably has one of the brochures. late 80's early 90's cues. i do have that same cue. with a non original shaft. check this brunswick logo in this thread: https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/brunswick-cues-made-by-joss.40085/
 
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Post #12 ("Brunswick Billiards by Joss USA") in the above referenced thread shows what I understand to be the only logo found on Brunswick/Joss cues. If I am incorrect in this belief, I would like to know,
 
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woodyosborne said:
i THINK that cue is not a Brunswick by Joss. in the brochure there was maybe 6 - 8 cues shown. i think the ones made by Joss were labeled Joss for brunswick. somebody out there probably has one of the brochures. late 80's early 90's cues. i do have that same cue. with a non original shaft. check this brunswick logo in this thread: https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/brunswick-cues-made-by-joss.40085/
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I swear they just said Brunswick on them but it was a lot of years a go. I do remember that my local pool hall couldn’t give them a way lol
 
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Michael Webb said:
A Falcon with sharp points??
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Yes.

Here is my Falcon Brunswick:
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I have four Joss Brunswick and they all have this logo...
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Biloxi Boy said:
What do y'all think

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It's Falcon. I also own this cue & have done a lot of searching.

But Falcon has Ties with Joss, so in a way its both.

In the year 1991, during a rare opportunity, Ernie met with the famous American cue manufacturer Joss Cues and they decided to enter into a business venture together. Therefore, the Falcon brand was established and its first manufacturing facility was set up in Mississauga, a quiet little town about 30 minutes away from downtown Toronto in Canada. With the help from Joss Cues, Falcon quickly gained good reputation amongst professional players in North America and was able to attract some of the finest names to ever play the game to become its endorsers. Such players include Jeanette Lee, Jennifer Chen, Nick Varner, Karen Korr, Shin Mai Liu and many other outstanding players across the globe.

In 1993, Falcon ended its venture with Joss Cues and teamed up with Mr. Alan McCarty of Clawson Cues (now known as Predator Cues), who envisioned a brand new concept for the future of pool cues but needed manufacturing support that he believed would change the game of pool for many years to come. After hearing his proposal, Ernie decided to offer his supports to help Mr. McCarty realize his dream and concept. For many years to follow, Falcon Cues Ltd was the proud manufacturer and business partner of Clawson Cues (Predator Cues), which helped Falcon Cues to further develop its cue making capabilities and techniques that shaped it into the company that it is today.
 
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PickPocket said:
It's Falcon. I also own this cue & have done a lot of searching.

But Falcon has Ties with Joss, so in a way its both.

In the year 1991, during a rare opportunity, Ernie met with the famous American cue manufacturer Joss Cues and they decided to enter into a business venture together. Therefore, the Falcon brand was established and its first manufacturing facility was set up in Mississauga, a quiet little town about 30 minutes away from downtown Toronto in Canada. With the help from Joss Cues, Falcon quickly gained good reputation amongst professional players in North America and was able to attract some of the finest names to ever play the game to become its endorsers. Such players include Jeanette Lee, Jennifer Chen, Nick Varner, Karen Korr, Shin Mai Liu and many other outstanding players across the globe.

In 1993, Falcon ended its venture with Joss Cues and teamed up with Mr. Alan McCarty of Clawson Cues (now known as Predator Cues), who envisioned a brand new concept for the future of pool cues but needed manufacturing support that he believed would change the game of pool for many years to come. After hearing his proposal, Ernie decided to offer his supports to help Mr. McCarty realize his dream and concept. For many years to follow, Falcon Cues Ltd was the proud manufacturer and business partner of Clawson Cues (Predator Cues), which helped Falcon Cues to further develop its cue making capabilities and techniques that shaped it into the company that it is today.
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Great story. Thank you
 
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PickPocket said:
It's Falcon. I also own this cue & have done a lot of searching.

But Falcon has Ties with Joss, so in a way its both.

In the year 1991, during a rare opportunity, Ernie met with the famous American cue manufacturer Joss Cues and they decided to enter into a business venture together. Therefore, the Falcon brand was established and its first manufacturing facility was set up in Mississauga, a quiet little town about 30 minutes away from downtown Toronto in Canada. With the help from Joss Cues, Falcon quickly gained good reputation amongst professional players in North America and was able to attract some of the finest names to ever play the game to become its endorsers. Such players include Jeanette Lee, Jennifer Chen, Nick Varner, Karen Korr, Shin Mai Liu and many other outstanding players across the globe.

In 1993, Falcon ended its venture with Joss Cues and teamed up with Mr. Alan McCarty of Clawson Cues (now known as Predator Cues), who envisioned a brand new concept for the future of pool cues but needed manufacturing support that he believed would change the game of pool for many years to come. After hearing his proposal, Ernie decided to offer his supports to help Mr. McCarty realize his dream and concept. For many years to follow, Falcon Cues Ltd was the proud manufacturer and business partner of Clawson Cues (Predator Cues), which helped Falcon Cues to further develop its cue making capabilities and techniques that shaped it into the company that it is today.
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Prior to Chen meeting with Joss, he made Mohawk cues. I think Ernie only made them for year or two.

Here is my Falcon made Brunswick.

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This one is definitely a Danny Janes/Joss manufactured Brunswick. In the 90’s we sold Joss, which I still play with and have repaired for decades. The shaft checks out, the joint checks out, the inlay work is literally the same cnc operation as some of the Joss cues of the era. These were made a little later in the 90’s, and the butt cap was an ever-changing thing for Joss at the time. Bunswick is known for taking their own specs to manufacturers (Aramith, Simonis, Dufferin, etc), and many of the Brunswick cues manufactured by Joss have different butt caps as a result of that as well.
 
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eyesjr said:
This one is definitely a Danny Janes/Joss manufactured Brunswick. In the 90’s we sold Joss, which I still play with and have repaired for decades. The shaft checks out, the joint checks out, the inlay work is literally the same cnc operation as some of the Joss cues of the era. These were made a little later in the 90’s, and the butt cap was an ever-changing thing for Joss at the time. Bunswick is known for taking their own specs to manufacturers (Aramith, Simonis, Dufferin, etc), and many of the Brunswick cues manufactured by Joss have different butt caps as a result of that as well.
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No. Brunswick's with this logo were made by Falcon. JOSS-built cues always had 'JOSS' somewhere, either on the buttcap or the joint rings. Also, Joss one's had 14thread pins, Falcon 18tpi. https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/cues-joss-falcon-for-brunswick.542023/ Post#13 has pic of what the JOSS B'wick buttcap looked like.
 
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Here is my Brunswick by Joss cue. Never paid attention to the thread size, but after reading the comments here, I checked and sure enough, 14 thread.
Interesting story on this cue. Every year the Brunswick warehouse would blow out tables and cues for cheap on a Saturday. There would be quite a lineup of pickups loading their tables in.
Well I bought a couple 2 piece Brunswick house cues and a 8' table. Didn't pay attention as they were loading the table, but when I got home, saw that they gave me the wrong slate.
Called back but was slightly after 5 and didn't expect anyone to answer but their head guy answered and when I explained what happened, he asked if I could come back on Sunday and he would meet me to exchange the slates.
When I got there he said to pick out any cue for my troubles, and I chose this one.
Nice cue for a freebe.
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muskyed said:
Here is my Brunswick by Joss cue. Never paid attention to the thread size, but after reading the comments here, I checked and sure enough, 14 thread.
Interesting story on this cue. Every year the Brunswick warehouse would blow out tables and cues for cheap on a Saturday. There would be quite a lineup of pickups loading their tables in.
Well I bought a couple 2 piece Brunswick house cues and a 8' table. Didn't pay attention as they were loading the table, but when I got home, saw that they gave me the wrong slate.
Called back but was slightly after 5 and didn't expect anyone to answer but their head guy answered and when I explained what happened, he asked if I could come back on Sunday and he would meet me to exchange the slates.
When I got there he said to pick out any cue for my troubles, and I chose this one.
Nice cue for a freebe.View attachment 730869View attachment 730870
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Nice 'JOSS' built B'wick cue.
 
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