Brunswick Superspeed Cushions

Black-Balled said:
I go to a room sometimes tha has the diamond cushions on gcrowns and those tables play very differently than the tables aroind them, also gcs and presumably oem cushions.

I have never attempted max distance on em, but will try to remembet to do so next time through.

The diamond black cushioned tables are notably more lively off the rails...and presumably in total distance, therefore.
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What generation Gold Crown are you referring to? If it is a Gold Crown I or II, the reason that it plays so much faster is likely because the nose height is too low. Hence, the reason for changing the angle of the sub-rails (some prefer the misnomer: having the sub-rails "calibrated")
 
bradsh98 said:
What generation Gold Crown are you referring to? If it is a Gold Crown I or II, the reason that it plays so much faster is likely because the nose height is too low. Hence, the reason for changing the angle of the sub-rails (some prefer the misnomer: having the sub-rails "calibrated")
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You think just changing the sub rail bevel is the fix?
 
realkingcobra said:
Wrong, apples to oranges, but if you really played pool you'd know that, sorry for correcting you, but you ARE wrong.

Let me give you just one example of you being wrong. If you take the cue ball and shoot it the cull length of the table dead down the middle and contact the center diamond on the foot rail with either extreme 9 or 3 o'clock english/spin, you'll be able to come off the cushion at a greater angle rebounding off the Artemis cushions than you ever will coming off the superspeed cushions, why is that? Try shortening up a bank shot on the klematch P59 K55 profile cushions, good luck. Why do you think billiards cushions are so dense, so hard, in fact so hard that if you stretch the rail cloth with a pair of pliers and place a staple right next to the nose of the pliers, the nose of the cushions won't show any signs of dimpling? No, superspeed cushions don't play anywhere near what Artemis or Klematch cushions, for pool, they play better period.
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I'll agree with that!

As a player, I prefer MBS cushions over Artemis or Klematch. I just don't care for the way either of them bank. I much prefer the Diamond, Superspeed, or MBS cushions.
 
realkingcobra said:
You think just changing the sub rail bevel is the fix?
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Nope.. You need to correct the height of the sub-rail first, which sets the height of the mounting surface of the cushion. Then, you change the angle of the sub-rail, which sets the nose of the cushion.
 
bradsh98 said:
I'll agree with that!

As a player, I prefer MBS cushions over Artemis or Klematch. I just don't care for the way either of them bank. I much prefer the Diamond, Superspeed, or MBS cushions.
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If the Diamond or MBS cushions cost more that superspeed cushions, no one would buy them, so that's the real reason for installing them, save some money and put it in your pocket, i personally like Brunswick cushions on Brunswick pool tables.
 
bradsh98 said:
Nope.. You need to correct the height of the sub-rail first, which sets the height of the mounting surface of the cushion. Then, you change the angle of the sub-rail, which sets the nose of the cushion.
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Isn't that in fact the meaning of calibrated rails, repeatability from one like table to the next based on a specific set of specifications?
 
realkingcobra said:
Isn't that in fact the meaning of calibrated rails, repeatability from one like table to the next based on a specific set of specifications?
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That is what the term implies.. However, I dislike the term, and consider it a misnomer. Calibration is a term used for mechanical tools or instrumentation. Pool tables are not mechanical in nature, nor are they machinery. This is the reason that I also dislike the title of pool table "mechanic". I refer to myself as a technician, as the title is much better fitting.
 
How about the Artemis Intercontinental K55? Aren't they suppose to be a suitable replacement for a superspeed?
 
bradsh98 said:
That is what the term implies.. However, I dislike the term, and consider it a misnomer. Calibration is a term used for mechanical tools or instrumentation. Pool tables are not mechanical in nature, nor are they machinery. This is the reason that I also dislike the title of pool table "mechanic". I refer to myself as a technician, as the title is much better fitting.
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I don't care for any title that puts me in the same boat as a local hack, who can refer to themselves as a pool table mechanic or a technician when in fact 98% of all the work bei g done on pool tables is installation work, so why not refer to yourself as an installer, or as the brits like to call themselves....a fitter.
 
realkingcobra said:
Well, did Brunswick switch to the Artemis K55 cushions and replace their Superspeed cushions?
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No, but I've seen posts from the past with you talking very favorably of them. Has something changed with them or have the superspeeds become more consistent since then?
 
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JazzboxBlues said:
No, but I've seen posts from you talking very favorably of them.
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Yes, i have, and I've installer plenty of them on GCs and Diamonds, but, that don't change my mine that i wish they would have the physical dimensions of the superspeed K55 cushions and the rubber content of the Artemis cushions.
 
I recently had my GC1 recovered and these are the labels on 2 of my rails

Are they a matched set or was a rail replaced ?


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realkingcobra said:
Yes, i have, and I've installer plenty of them on GCs and Diamonds, but, that don't change my mine that i wish they would have the physical dimensions of the superspeed K55 cushions and the rubber content of the Artemis cushions.
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Thanks for clarifying this. How would the Artemis affect the playability of the table if installed correctly?
 
Poolhall60561 said:
I recently had my GC1 recovered and these are the labels on 2 of my rails

Are they a matched set or was a rail replaced ?


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Yes, the master fast K66 was the mis matched cushion, both are made by different company's and master fast is no longer in business today. All the cushions on your GC1 should have been the Monarch cushions, GCs were not produced with master fast cushions.
 
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realkingcobra said:
If the Diamond or MBS cushions cost more that superspeed cushions, no one would buy them, so that's the real reason for installing them, save some money and put it in your pocket, i personally like Brunswick cushions on Brunswick pool tables.
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3-4 years ago I had my rails done and had Artemis cushions installed, did I make a mistake? It seemed like around that time everyone was using Artemis, thats how I ended up using them, now it seems Superspeeds are more popular.
Am I going to have to have my rails re-calibrated again if I go back to Superspeeds fom Artemis??
 
fastone371 said:
3-4 years ago I had my rails done and had Artemis cushions installed, did I make a mistake? It seemed like around that time everyone was using Artemis, thats how I ended up using them, now it seems Superspeeds are more popular.
Am I going to have to have my rails re-calibrated again if I go back to Superspeeds fom Artemis??
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Pfft!
Same mistake here.
Making Gold Crowns play like Diamond is such a dumb idea now.
Why would one want his Gold Crown to bank short?
 
realkingcobra said:
I don't care for any title that puts me in the same boat as a local hack, who can refer to themselves as a pool table mechanic or a technician when in fact 98% of all the work bei g done on pool tables is installation work, so why not refer to yourself as an installer, or as the brits like to call themselves....a fitter.
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I have a backlog of work, which allows me to be selective of the jobs that I take on. Because of this, about 70% of my work is modifying old Brunswick rails, extending subrails, or performing other table customization. I'm not so sure that 'Installer' is the correct title either.

I am a mechanical engineer, and I am skilled in the technicalities of a pool table. I am not in this business to just make some extra cash.. I have a passion for the game, and a special set of skills, which allow me to provide a level of quality and attention to detail that is unparalleled in my area. I believe this to be suitable for the title of 'Technician'.

I do not really care if the title lumps me in with everyone else, as the quality of my work, and the professionalism that I display will separate me from the rest. If I were interested in taking on more work, I might consider referring to myself as a 'Specialist' or 'Expert'. Though, my modesty would prevent me from ever assuming such a title.

I'm just a guy... A guy who performs work on pool tables, to the absolute best of his ability, as if every table he touches were his own.
 
fastone371 said:
3-4 years ago I had my rails done and had Artemis cushions installed, did I make a mistake? It seemed like around that time everyone was using Artemis, thats how I ended up using them, now it seems Superspeeds are more popular.
Am I going to have to have my rails re-calibrated again if I go back to Superspeeds fom Artemis??
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That depends.... Do YOU like the way the Artemis play?

I have installed several sets of Superspeeds, and love the way they play.
I have installed plenty more sets of Diamond/J&J cushions, and love the way they play.
I have installed quite a few sets of MBS cushions, and find them very comparable.
I have installed several sets of Artemis, and strongly dislike the way that they play.
I have never installed Klematch, though I have played on some, and strongly disliked them as well.

There are drawbacks to each, though the only complaint that I have about Superspeed cushions is the mold flash that they have along the top edge of the cushion. It adds some additional work, prior to installation.
 
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