Build a champion in a month or 2. Is this possible?
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You saw me at Dog's with my 6yo son about a week ago. Already have him hitting balls on the 9's. We have a bar table at home.
The Zack attack didn't last long in Cedar Rapids...
One the way back from Davenport Zach stopped to play Pun.
They played $100 a rack nine ball and Pun quit 2 games loser from what I heard.
Zach tried to get Scott to play some more but he wants nothing to do with Zach.
But that's the nature of the beast out here.
Most players want to steal or have a clear advantage if they play someone. Once they realize, Hey , this guy can play and has a chance to beat me they back down real quick.
I don't blame them one bit..it's not fun to lose money.........
I guess i'm too much old school. I just say lets play and let it rip. I win allot doing that but I lose a set here and there.
Zach should be back in Des moines tomorrow.
Should be some action brewing here.
2 men a van and the road..........
One the way back from Davenport Zach stopped to play Pun.
They played $100 a rack nine ball and Pun quit 2 games loser from what I heard.
Zach tried to get Scott to play some more but he wants nothing to do with Zach.
But that's the nature of the beast out here.
Most players want to steal or have a clear advantage if they play someone. Once they realize, Hey , this guy can play and has a chance to beat me they back down real quick.
I don't blame them one bit..it's not fun to lose money.........
I guess i'm too much old school. I just say lets play and let it rip. I win allot doing that but I lose a set here and there.
Zach should be back in Des moines tomorrow.
Should be some action brewing here.
2 men a van and the road..........
I think you underestimate how much he learned playing on a bar box. Don't get me wrong, a big table developes more talent, but he found 100 times more action on a BB. Plus BB 8 ball at high level, where almost every rack is an ERO takes a lot of talent.
I agree, but I also think you under sell the BB play a bit too much.
I also agree. It didn't seem to hurt SVB. Playing on a BB can still teach you about competing and winning. A big part of this game is on the mental approach.
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Your right Gene...the reason I didn't play Zach last night is because I'm scared...It has nothing to do with being wore down from the weekend, getting up at 5:30am and going to my JOB and work 8hrs, coming home and taking my son to a pitching lesson, then going to the gym, and then rushing off to pool league. So when Zach showed up and asked to play I said I was whipped... I know you'd be ready to jump right back into the Box but I'm not superman...
I know what you're doing getting on here talking a little %*&^* trying to get me fired up...I like Zach..he's a good kid to play, but the fact of the matter is, I don't need to have action. My kids, wife, and job are way ahead of pool on the totem pole of life.
Shoot, I'm just happy I was able to hang with $500/rack Zach for 10 hours in a gaffey game like RYO 9ball on a bar table...Good luck with the rest of your journey!
This thread just keeps getting better and better
You have my utmost respect my friend.......
Hi there scott ,
I wish I would have been there. I wish I would have been there for Zach.
Exactly what your talking about is what every young player needs to learn.
Know when to hold'em and fold'em.
Right now in your life you have the most important thing in the world going on. A family. It sounds like you got your ducks in a row also.
Many young players wouldn't do what you did. Not play. When i was on the road I was always trying to figure out what kind of money I was trying to win. I would ask questions to people around the poolhall. Like. What dooes Bob do for a living? Is he married, I'll bet he's got a bunch of kids.
What I was trying to find out is what kind of money I was trying to win. This is overlooked by almost all road players, past and present.
Am I trying to win stupid money, dumb money or Smart money.
Smart money is the toughest to win. This is the guy that has already taken his lumps in the pool world. The smarter he is the less lumps he's taken.
This guy is not going to go off like a rocket but be kind of careful when he's not at his best, especially tired. Whether it be from family commitments, job or being at a tournament all weekend with not enough sleep, he knows he isn't going to jump in the pool is he thinks he might not be able to get back out. This guy has deep family commitments and isn't afraid to put it up especially if he plays well,
This is smart money.
Now this comes from experience.
Then there is the dumb money. This is Zack over there in Davenport. Young kid. Plays pool for 2 days with no sleep. Had 5 hours of sleep the first night. Then gets up and plays all afternoon, all night, all morning until noon and then takes off to play in a singles tourny in Davenport against some of the best players in the country. Including yourself.
Again this is a perfect example of Dumb money.
In this situation I am his family. We are on the road together. If he busts us it's his fault. And it's mine for trusting him to do things right.
Then they play in the team not even knowing who the 5th guy would be.
Plus one of the guys on the team was the guy he played for 2 days. He didn't get any sleep either. These guys had no chance.
Then after, who knows where Zack slept and I can almost guarantee it wasn't a bed and not even close to 8 hours, he jumps up and asks one of the best players at the tournament to play.
Now even at this depleted state of well being, Zach can still put on a good show as you saw. If you yourself would have been through the same thing for 4 days you would have been thinking, you got to be kidding. No way would I be playing.
Then I'm sure with not enough sleep again he shows up in Cedar Rapid to try and beat the smart money again.
Well, the dumb money couldn't win. I know you didn't play him but he couldn't beat anyone in his totally run down condition. If you would have player him in your tired condition you probably would have beaten him but you had no way to know.
Plus you are not going to turn your smart money into dumb money.
The other money is stupid money. From a person that is involved with drug, prescription ot illegal, drinks too much or just a person that has so much money that they don't know what to do with it.
This person will go off a little but it won't change their way of living hardly at all. This is the money that a road player is looking for.
With Zack, I am trying to teach him how to not be the dumb money. We've been on the road for about a month or so and Zach has made some of the classic road mistakes that everyone makes in their learning process of playing.
He's made these mistakes before but now he has to sit down and go over the mistakes. Kind of like on the road advanced classes.
Make the mistake and learn. That's good. Make the same mistake again and you got some real issues especially if you want to be a pool player on the road. It's allot tougher than it was years ago.
How many road players do you have coming through your town that are actually on the long road. Exactly.
I'm teaching Zach to try and survive in the toughest of times on the road.
I've been on the road solid for 3 out of the last 4 years playing and teaching. The only thing that stopped me for a year was a motorhome falling on me and shoulder surgery on my playing shoulder.
I have nothing but respect for you young man. You play well and keep it in perspective. Kind of like my own son. He has his own trucking business.
You clearly know when to play and when not to play. Your other most important things in life, family, are way more important than any pool game.
Don't get me wrong, I know you take your pool serious, and you play well, buy you know where to draw the line.
I'm working on Zack. i need to teach him to keep his energy up all the time so he can play when the opportunity arises. This is his job and we are a family when we are on the road so we need to be his priority.
He can't afford to play tired and exausted and lose all the money. He needs to know where to draw the line and play tomorrow.
I'm trying to teach him how to live on the road and keep from getting exausted so you can take it down whenever it might happen.
My move years ago would be going to a tourny and find a guy like Zack that was not sleeping for 2 or 3 days. I would purposely lose in the tourny and make sure they saw how bad I dogged it. Go sleep and rest for 2 days.
Then I would go down the last day and pick a game with the person. Ask them to play $20 9 ball. They would usually high roll right away and I would jack it right back. I usually never lost in this situation.
Example. Rochester Minn. Tony Coleman was there playing in a big tourny with allot of big guns from around the country. He was in action all the time. Danny Medina to Jeff carter and he held his own.
I lost in the tourny to John Shppit and went back to the room and rested for 2 days. Tony had asked me to play some $50 a rack 9 ball the first day.
The trap was set. As I walked in the poolhall Tony was on his way out with his backer. I said to him, I'll play for that $50 a rack now. Tony says back to me Bet $100. I said back to Tony, bet $200. He looks back at me and say, B$t.
About 45 minutes later I had $2600 more than I had before and it was over.
I just ran out and ran out and to be honest Tony looked kind of helpless.
This was a perfect examle of dumb money. The man might have beaten me had he been rested.
Anyone can ask Tony and he will back up this story. 100% to my memory.
Not taking anything away from Tony either. He was a great player and still is a force to not take lightly.
This is what I'm trying to teach Zach. Not to turn my money into dumb money because when we're together on the road, My money is our money. We are a family.
Thanks for your relpy Scott.
Just a little insight on the other side of the coin. The road side....
2 men a van and the road...........
Hi there scott ,
I wish I would have been there. I wish I would have been there for Zach.
Exactly what your talking about is what every young player needs to learn.
Know when to hold'em and fold'em.
Right now in your life you have the most important thing in the world going on. A family. It sounds like you got your ducks in a row also.
Many young players wouldn't do what you did. Not play. When i was on the road I was always trying to figure out what kind of money I was trying to win. I would ask questions to people around the poolhall. Like. What dooes Bob do for a living? Is he married, I'll bet he's got a bunch of kids.
What I was trying to find out is what kind of money I was trying to win. This is overlooked by almost all road players, past and present.
Am I trying to win stupid money, dumb money or Smart money.
Smart money is the toughest to win. This is the guy that has already taken his lumps in the pool world. The smarter he is the less lumps he's taken.
This guy is not going to go off like a rocket but be kind of careful when he's not at his best, especially tired. Whether it be from family commitments, job or being at a tournament all weekend with not enough sleep, he knows he isn't going to jump in the pool is he thinks he might not be able to get back out. This guy has deep family commitments and isn't afraid to put it up especially if he plays well,
This is smart money.
Now this comes from experience.
Then there is the dumb money. This is Zack over there in Davenport. Young kid. Plays pool for 2 days with no sleep. Had 5 hours of sleep the first night. Then gets up and plays all afternoon, all night, all morning until noon and then takes off to play in a singles tourny in Davenport against some of the best players in the country. Including yourself.
Again this is a perfect example of Dumb money.
In this situation I am his family. We are on the road together. If he busts us it's his fault. And it's mine for trusting him to do things right.
Then they play in the team not even knowing who the 5th guy would be.
Plus one of the guys on the team was the guy he played for 2 days. He didn't get any sleep either. These guys had no chance.
Then after, who knows where Zack slept and I can almost guarantee it wasn't a bed and not even close to 8 hours, he jumps up and asks one of the best players at the tournament to play.
Now even at this depleted state of well being, Zach can still put on a good show as you saw. If you yourself would have been through the same thing for 4 days you would have been thinking, you got to be kidding. No way would I be playing.
Then I'm sure with not enough sleep again he shows up in Cedar Rapid to try and beat the smart money again.
Well, the dumb money couldn't win. I know you didn't play him but he couldn't beat anyone in his totally run down condition. If you would have player him in your tired condition you probably would have beaten him but you had no way to know.
Plus you are not going to turn your smart money into dumb money.
The other money is stupid money. From a person that is involved with drug, prescription ot illegal, drinks too much or just a person that has so much money that they don't know what to do with it.
This person will go off a little but it won't change their way of living hardly at all. This is the money that a road player is looking for.
With Zack, I am trying to teach him how to not be the dumb money. We've been on the road for about a month or so and Zach has made some of the classic road mistakes that everyone makes in their learning process of playing.
He's made these mistakes before but now he has to sit down and go over the mistakes. Kind of like on the road advanced classes.
Make the mistake and learn. That's good. Make the same mistake again and you got some real issues especially if you want to be a pool player on the road. It's allot tougher than it was years ago.
How many road players do you have coming through your town that are actually on the long road. Exactly.
I'm teaching Zach to try and survive in the toughest of times on the road.
I've been on the road solid for 3 out of the last 4 years playing and teaching. The only thing that stopped me for a year was a motorhome falling on me and shoulder surgery on my playing shoulder.
I have nothing but respect for you young man. You play well and keep it in perspective. Kind of like my own son. He has his own trucking business.
You clearly know when to play and when not to play. Your other most important things in life, family, are way more important than any pool game.
Don't get me wrong, I know you take your pool serious, and you play well, buy you know where to draw the line.
I'm working on Zack. i need to teach him to keep his energy up all the time so he can play when the opportunity arises. This is his job and we are a family when we are on the road so we need to be his priority.
He can't afford to play tired and exausted and lose all the money. He needs to know where to draw the line and play tomorrow.
I'm trying to teach him how to live on the road and keep from getting exausted so you can take it down whenever it might happen.
My move years ago would be going to a tourny and find a guy like Zack that was not sleeping for 2 or 3 days. I would purposely lose in the tourny and make sure they saw how bad I dogged it. Go sleep and rest for 2 days.
Then I would go down the last day and pick a game with the person. Ask them to play $20 9 ball. They would usually high roll right away and I would jack it right back. I usually never lost in this situation.
Example. Rochester Minn. Tony Coleman was there playing in a big tourny with allot of big guns from around the country. He was in action all the time. Danny Medina to Jeff carter and he held his own.
I lost in the tourny to John Shppit and went back to the room and rested for 2 days. Tony had asked me to play some $50 a rack 9 ball the first day.
The trap was set. As I walked in the poolhall Tony was on his way out with his backer. I said to him, I'll play for that $50 a rack now. Tony says back to me Bet $100. I said back to Tony, bet $200. He looks back at me and say, B$t.
About 45 minutes later I had $2600 more than I had before and it was over.
I just ran out and ran out and to be honest Tony looked kind of helpless.
This was a perfect examle of dumb money. The man might have beaten me had he been rested.
Anyone can ask Tony and he will back up this story. 100% to my memory.
Not taking anything away from Tony either. He was a great player and still is a force to not take lightly.
This is what I'm trying to teach Zach. Not to turn my money into dumb money because when we're together on the road, My money is our money. We are a family.
Thanks for your relpy Scott.
Just a little insight on the other side of the coin. The road side....
2 men a van and the road...........
Zack slept 14 hours............
I just left him sleep. he got back to the room about 8:00AM this morning.
He looked terrible.
I slept until 4:30 PM. I really needed the sleep also. My lungs are clearing out but it will take about 2 or 3 days to cough up all the junk. Pnuemonia is nothing to mess with if your diabetic. The doc in the ER that gave me the antibiotics told me good luck. It looks like I was getting the best of it anyway before i got the meds.
I went down to Big Dogs and met Dick Edwards and his brother. It was fun to work with them both with a little tuneup with Perfect Aim.
A YOUNG guy named Alan Bloodgood came over and asked me a little about Perfect Aim and challenged me to a race to 4 8 ball. He said he wanted to see if i could play.
I had just ate 2 cookies to get up my blood sugar which was a bad move. My blood sugar was up the 200. Not a good time for me to play.
We played on the valley table in the middle. its got to be the worst table in the place. Very slow and it has one of those arimyth pool balls on it.
Alan beat me the first set for the hundred. He's a pretty good sport and asked me to play another set but on the diamond table. I don't think he liked the valley table either.
Alan played pretty good. I got some good rolls and won the next 2 sets.
Then i told him that I would show him a little sample of Perfect Aim for free. The more i showed him the more he wanted to see. He could definitely see the merit to Perfect Aim.
We set up a lesson for 9:00 AM friday. I can't wait to work with Alan. This guy has allot of talent and this would put him over the top.
Got back to the room and Zack was up and we had our talk about the weekend. He's a smart kid and knows so much about the pool world already.
We cooked a couple of burgers after we unloaded the car with good food for the next 6 days. Real food.
It's almost 7:00 AM. Time to get to bed. They let you play at big Dogs after hours so this is our sleep schedule for now.
To bed at 7:00 AM. up around 4:00 PM and be at the poolhall by 6:00PM.
If we have to play until 6:00 AM it's like the middle or end of our day.
Good night or should I say good morning.
2 men a van and the road.......
I just left him sleep. he got back to the room about 8:00AM this morning.
He looked terrible.
I slept until 4:30 PM. I really needed the sleep also. My lungs are clearing out but it will take about 2 or 3 days to cough up all the junk. Pnuemonia is nothing to mess with if your diabetic. The doc in the ER that gave me the antibiotics told me good luck. It looks like I was getting the best of it anyway before i got the meds.
I went down to Big Dogs and met Dick Edwards and his brother. It was fun to work with them both with a little tuneup with Perfect Aim.
A YOUNG guy named Alan Bloodgood came over and asked me a little about Perfect Aim and challenged me to a race to 4 8 ball. He said he wanted to see if i could play.
I had just ate 2 cookies to get up my blood sugar which was a bad move. My blood sugar was up the 200. Not a good time for me to play.
We played on the valley table in the middle. its got to be the worst table in the place. Very slow and it has one of those arimyth pool balls on it.
Alan beat me the first set for the hundred. He's a pretty good sport and asked me to play another set but on the diamond table. I don't think he liked the valley table either.
Alan played pretty good. I got some good rolls and won the next 2 sets.
Then i told him that I would show him a little sample of Perfect Aim for free. The more i showed him the more he wanted to see. He could definitely see the merit to Perfect Aim.
We set up a lesson for 9:00 AM friday. I can't wait to work with Alan. This guy has allot of talent and this would put him over the top.
Got back to the room and Zack was up and we had our talk about the weekend. He's a smart kid and knows so much about the pool world already.
We cooked a couple of burgers after we unloaded the car with good food for the next 6 days. Real food.
It's almost 7:00 AM. Time to get to bed. They let you play at big Dogs after hours so this is our sleep schedule for now.
To bed at 7:00 AM. up around 4:00 PM and be at the poolhall by 6:00PM.
If we have to play until 6:00 AM it's like the middle or end of our day.
Good night or should I say good morning.
2 men a van and the road.......
I think a bar table 8 ball match between them is the answer.:smile:
No. This is a silly statement.
I agree. Mini golf I could beat Tiger on a given day. Maybe a better comparison would be a par 3 course vs. a full 18 course. The better player will likely win on either, but the par 3 gives the lesser player somewhat of a fighting chance.
Yeah. :wink:
I'm just talking about the mental side of learning to win. Shane's family were strong amateur/semi pro players playing on the BB. I'm guessing it is there like it is here in the midwest. Most tournaments and competitions are staged on the BB. Of course, there is a huge difference between the 9 footers and BB. But, the mental game is pretty much the same.
Thanks for the compliments Gene!
I couldn't tell how tired Zach was the first night because he didn't come up and ask me to play untill after my teamates, few other people,and I had 5 or 6 Yaegerbombs...normally I would never drink like that but we just had a good win and were done playing untill 2pm the next day so I let loose a little. When Zach approached me I was pretty lit :barf:..not exactly smart money. Lucky for me Zach didn't have his A game. By the time I sobered up it was closing time...
I'd love to play Zach again sometime he's very good action, It's nice to see a kid of his age act very mature, not one time did he lose his cool or complain about "bad rolls". Even after I opened up with a 6-pack the second night he kept his composure and made 2 awesome shots to stay alive, (the first was a jump kick on the 1, I then banked the 1 in and played safe on the 2. He proceeded to take his time and kick in the deuce and run out!) Pretty solid for what was on the line.
If we play again tho it won't be an ahead set, I don't play enough to have the focus/stamina to maintain the kind of level I'd need for hours upon hours.
I'd rather play some sets of 10ball or 8ball. Let me know...I could freeze up 3 sets at $2or300/set. Races to 9.
Have a good one!
Way ahead of his pool years..........
I don't know if we'll be going that way. We have some unfinished business here in Des Moines once Zach is rested up.Then it's off to Wisconsin for Christmas.
Thanks for the action. Another building block in our building a champion. I little setback but huge on the learning curve for Zach.
This kid has that something special. Just need to teach him to stay right so he's ready all the time.
Thanks again and looking forward to meeting you some day.
Hope you and the family have a great christmas....and good Luck.
I don't know if we'll be going that way. We have some unfinished business here in Des Moines once Zach is rested up.Then it's off to Wisconsin for Christmas.
Thanks for the action. Another building block in our building a champion. I little setback but huge on the learning curve for Zach.
This kid has that something special. Just need to teach him to stay right so he's ready all the time.
Thanks again and looking forward to meeting you some day.
Hope you and the family have a great christmas....and good Luck.