Business - Low-Down, & Dirty

kidcuban21 said:
The point of my post is not to point fingers, nor to mention anyones names here, but to simply let the public know that people are willing to go to extremes to make a small profit. The person that I was talking about simply called me and told me the cue was not a tad it was worth much less, offered me some ridiculous price and then later on called me and offered much much more, all the time knowing the truth and in addition, going out of the way to contact Ted Harris to tell him to tell the buyer to get his money back and not purchase the cue. This person after finding out the buyer paid and is happy etc, call me to offer me more than what I sold the cue for and to tell me to return the funds of the buyer.

The point is not whether the cue is or isn't but the manner in which it happened, and the extremes of bashing a cue, making several phone calls, so all the time, the same person who offered me close to nothing and told me to end my auction offered me thousands in the end. All the time knowing the true value of the cue.

This post was only meant to inform and let others know the nature of what can happen.

As far as who? It definitely was a well known AZmember / dealer individual, and NO I'm not stating who it was. Just to INFORM those here about the business practices of some of the hierarchy here and to be careful.
THAT IS IT.
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This post is pointless without id'ing the dealer in question.

Can you see how the data submitted to support the cue's ID on the EBAY add doesn't fit?
 
kidcuban21 said:
The point of my post is not to point fingers, nor to mention anyones names here, but to simply let the public know that people are willing to go to extremes to make a small profit. The person that I was talking about simply called me and told me the cue was not a tad it was worth much less, offered me some ridiculous price and then later on called me and offered much much more, all the time knowing the truth and in addition, going out of the way to contact Ted Harris to tell him to tell the buyer to get his money back and not purchase the cue. This person after finding out the buyer paid and is happy etc, call me to offer me more than what I sold the cue for and to tell me to return the funds of the buyer.

The point is not whether the cue is or isn't but the manner in which it happened, and the extremes of bashing a cue, making several phone calls, so all the time, the same person who offered me close to nothing and told me to end my auction offered me thousands in the end. All the time knowing the true value of the cue.

This post was only meant to inform and let others know the nature of what can happen.

As far as who? It definitely was a well known AZmember / dealer individual, and NO I'm not stating who it was. Just to INFORM those here about the business practices of some of the hierarchy here and to be careful.
THAT IS IT.
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I recently started two threads on this forum, the first was:

Buyers Beware!!!!!! There Are Cue Pimips Here On Az Billiards - http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=86121

The other was: All Members Please Give Your Opinion On The Following Forum Behavior / Issues - http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=86514.

The issue you have brought forward is something that needs to be addressed, the behavior in question is exactly the same type of thing that was discussed in these threads. However, if you do not expose the individuals in question this will happen again and again until finally some one comes out names the people involved. However, by then many people will suffer the same disrespectful and dishonest behavior that you recently appear to have.

So I suppose you have two choices, first continue to waste the time of those of us who do care, along with being a part of the problem for not helping to correct it. Second, give us the necessary information to expose the individuals who have caused all this trouble for you.

I hope you understand that no disrespect is intended either way!!!

Have a good day!!
 
kidcuban21 said:
Hello all of AZ Billiards,

This is my first post on this forum, I have been reading threads and posts for years on this website, but never posted for numerous reasons. I always enjoy what others have to say and patronize listening to comments excluding all the bickering that goes back & forth, nonetheless, I still read on.

The following statements I am going to make may not make much difference to many here, but I attempted to inform the general public, to say the very least. For me, it make no difference, this is my first post and probably will be my last. I have nothing to lose, just truth to set free, and a warning for others in the future.

Recently, I was selling a item on eBay, I have a rating score of 158, with 100% positive feedback, accordingly. I receive an email from a very well known-reputable user-dealer here saying that my item is not worth anything and makes a few statements about it here and next thing I know all of my ebayers are asking me to retract there bids. I ended up selling the cue anyways outside of ebay. The same forum member attempts to reach the buyer and tell him to get his money back, that the cue is worth nothing, etc.

Lastly, I receive an email from the same person, who degraded my cue on AZ, which effected eBay, and had the audacity to contact the buyer through numerous connections and tell him to not purchase the cue.....its a fake....it is old taiwanese, etc. Now this is where it gets even worse, adding insult to injury, the azer emails me and tells me to refund the guy his money, that he can paypal me $x000.00 dollars.

I don't know if that's right, but to me, this is called low-down dirty business, I could paypal the original buyer his money back and sell the cue for $1000.00 more, but I won't because I already sold the cue and my word is my word.

In addition, I am selling a Jack Justis case on eBay currently and another member of this forum contacts me to tell me the case is not worth anything because its resale value is close to nothing, offers me $300.00 for it because thats probably more than its going to sell for, meanwhile this is a case that was signed DEC 1, 2007, only a few weeks old, same concept, later on I would probably see my case here on AZ for like $550.00.

As I mentioned earlier, I am a unknown here, I will most likely get bashed, others will most likely speak against me deterring the truth and the majority will believe. I have no comments on Itrader but have sold numerous cues over eBay, most high end, and my feedback remains 100%. All I have to say is things aren't always as apparent as they seem. Thanks to all who had a few minutes to read this post, take care.

Damien Dominicis
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Pretty shameful tactics indeed. I'd like to who know it was....PM me if you like. You should not get bashed for this, but my advice, if you're going to a rodeo, best to know what horse you're riding....
 
Tad Boti

I AM THE BUYER OF THE CUE IN QUESTION. i live in s. florida i have met the seller at ted harris shop very nice guy. when he saw the post on AZ he contacted me to let me know it may not be a tad according to post. i informed him i had already seen the post. he said if there was any issue i could back out if i wanted. i said there is no problem. we have talked a few times since everything is ok. if this is not a tad i wanted to find out what it is, so i started looking around last night closest thing i could find is level 4 szamboti hoppe in 3rd ed. bluebook identical cue except 2 more dots 1 above & 1 below MOP diamonds in butt .colored rings instead of hoppe ring in butt... very possible since he uses them in other cues and a bumper added later? correct butt cap also for this cue.take a look at blue book let me know what you think. there is a lot of knowledge here every opinion is welcome. cue is not for sale, going in with the searings for now the my grave. LOL thanks to everyone
 
jasonlaus said:
I AM THE BUYER OF THE CUE IN QUESTION. i live in s. florida i have met the seller at ted harris shop very nice guy. when he saw the post on AZ he contacted me to let me know it may not be a tad according to post. i informed him i had already seen the post. he said if there was any issue i could back out if i wanted. i said there is no problem. we have talked a few times since everything is ok. if this is not a tad i wanted to find out what it is, so i started looking around last night closest thing i could find is level 4 szamboti hoppe in 3rd ed. bluebook identical cue except 2 more dots 1 above & 1 below MOP diamonds in butt .colored rings instead of hoppe ring in butt... very possible since he uses them in other cues and a bumper added later? correct butt cap also for this cue.take a look at blue book let me know what you think. there is a lot of knowledge here every opinion is welcome. cue is not for sale, going in with the searings for now the my grave. LOL thanks to everyone
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Congrats on your purchase.

Is the joint pin 14 or 18 thread count?

You may consider consider securing a COA by sending it to B. SZAM.

ENJOY........
 
Best of luck with your other auctions. When I first saw this cue on the bay, I didn't think Tad either. Hey, maybe it worked out for everyone's benefit. I too have seen some unscrupulous crap on here. Business as usual dealing with poolplayers.
 
I am the buyer. I also know who the dealer in question is. without talking to said dealer it would be WRONG for me to name them. I was not on the phone during those conversations so i have nothing to say about the dealer. however the seller is what around 158 positive 100% on ebay a miracle in itself dealing with pool players. you know what i mean, theres a lot of bad deals around cues, just saying it's tuff to keep people happy & he seems to be doing it. i know not all of his deals were pool related but still not bad. I have spoken with him many times about the deal & we are both happy. tad, possible boti, sears, j.c. penny whatever WE ARE BOTH HAPPY. he has gotten many offers for this cue, some for double what i paid he could have backed out said sorry or said nothing,too bad, but he DID NOT. as far as i'm concerned this is a guy we could all take a lesson from. don't get me wrong theres a lot of good i mean great people on AZ. boy is it hard trying to write this without offending someone. by the way if the name did get dropped some of you would crucify the seller,even though he may be telling the truth. give the guy a break he doesnt want to say. so please be easy on a guy trying to do the right thing. everything cant be resolved by naming names. by the way the dealer is very well respected on here. i would still deal with them no problem if they had something i wanted. even if this is true. hope i havent offended anyone it seems every post offends somebody. LOL thanks for your time
 
AZ seller with 158 feedback on ebay @100%. Shouldn't be to hard for our research team to figure out.
 
Keeping Up

jasonlaus said:
I am the buyer. I also know who the dealer in question is. without talking to said dealer it would be WRONG for me to name them. I was not on the phone during those conversations so i have nothing to say about the dealer. however the seller is what around 158 positive 100% on ebay a miracle in itself dealing with pool players. you know what i mean, theres a lot of bad deals around cues, just saying it's tuff to keep people happy & he seems to be doing it. i know not all of his deals were pool related but still not bad. I have spoken with him many times about the deal & we are both happy. tad, possible boti, sears, j.c. penny whatever WE ARE BOTH HAPPY. he has gotten many offers for this cue, some for double what i paid he could have backed out said sorry or said nothing,too bad, but he DID NOT. as far as i'm concerned this is a guy we could all take a lesson from. don't get me wrong theres a lot of good i mean great people on AZ. boy is it hard trying to write this without offending someone. by the way if the name did get dropped some of you would crucify the seller,even though he may be telling the truth. give the guy a break he doesnt want to say. so please be easy on a guy trying to do the right thing. everything cant be resolved by naming names. by the way the dealer is very well respected on here. i would still deal with them no problem if they had something i wanted. even if this is true. hope i havent offended anyone it seems every post offends somebody. LOL thanks for your time
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The cue was represented and verified as a TAD

BUT, it might be a BOTI

OR a SEARS, JC PENNEY, etc.

And an anonymous well respected AZ cue pimp offered twice what the cue changed hands for

Finally, everybody is happy and nobody's feelings are hurt.

I'm happy too:)
 
I think said dealer cost you some money by dabbeling in your buisness and needs an old fashion A$$ whooping and billfold lightening by a thousand dollars. He scared off your bidders to try and steal the cue on EBay so at least someone honest ended up with the cue, anyway I beleive in Karma and the dealer will get swift punishment for his actions.

Leonard
 
I call b.s.

BPG24 said:
Don't call me unfitting names. Mensa turned me down, I scored 154 on their version of the IQ test and that wasn't good enough. :rolleyes:
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Mensa accepts anyone over 132....
 
You posted - This is my first post on this forum, I have been reading threads and posts for years on this website, but never posted for numerous reasons.
But the stats on the left say Posts: 6
Hmmmmm
 
Wyrd1951 said:
You posted - This is my first post on this forum, I have been reading threads and posts for years on this website, but never posted for numerous reasons.
But the stats on the left say Posts: 6
Hmmmmm
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This was his first post. He has posted five more times for a total of six! I don't know why this matters, but he was not lying. The count on the left will always say the current number of threads.
 
poolcuemaster said:
I think said dealer cost you some money by dabbeling in your buisness and needs an old fashion A$$ whooping and billfold lightening by a thousand dollars. He scared off your bidders to try and steal the cue on EBay so at least someone honest ended up with the cue, anyway I beleive in Karma and the dealer will get swift punishment for his actions.

Leonard
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Agreed. The cue dealer was wrong in dabbling into the guy's business, contacting & scaring off buyers, etc. That's a bunch of crap. The info/discussion should have been limited (on eBay) to the "ask the seller." That's as far as is should have gone on ebay. The cue dealer in question is wrong for doing this and then trying to "steal" the cue.

However, the good thing about this site is we have become quite good at watching out for each other and informing the AZ users of a potential fake. The discussion should have been limited to here.

I also agree with the others, that if the person is not named, it does us absolutely no good other than to have a topic of discussion for a day or two.

I am glad everything worked out and the buyer is happy.
 
Why am I the only one who thinks.....

The seller got what he deserved? I don't care who called him and said whatever,he shouldn't have pulled the auction. He lets the auction run,he hits the jackpot.The dealer,whoever that was,is not the one who forced him to end the auction. If he followed the rules on e-bay,he would not be crying.
 
hangemhigh said:
The seller got what he deserved? I don't care who called him and said whatever,he shouldn't have pulled the auction. He lets the auction run,he hits the jackpot.The dealer,whoever that was,is not the one who forced him to end the auction. If he followed the rules on e-bay,he would not be crying.
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Agree somewhat. Marcus said in the other thread that he tried to tell him it wasn't a Tad. I do however think it would be beneficial for all to reveal who said "dealer" was. Until that is done and if this stays a generic description ("dealer"), it only contributes to making all dealers look bad. I for one would like to know....it can never hurt to know just how shady someone's practices are and who the liars are. He should spill the beans....
 
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