Buyers Beware of Pathman

[hotdogg]

I recently purchased a Justis case from Mike aka Pathman and when selling it he described the case as "nearly new." In reality the case was nothing close to nearly new. It has a very large cut/crack on the side and a stain on the bottom pocket. Though I do applause his speedy delivery; I frown upon his lack of communication skills and his lack of truthfulness.
Prior to posting this thread, I pmed him upon receiving the case and notified him of the problems trying to reach some sort of resolution. His reply was of course less than satisfactory. He replied saying the he knew I was going to be a "complainer" and that I had asked "five million questions" prior to purchasing (which was more like the lines of 2 or 3 questions).
What do you guys/gals think? Do you think I was wrong to say that a cut and stain is still considered "nearly new" or was I burning like numerous others in this world of lies and deceit? Or was the case really "nearly new" and cuts and stains are just a part of the "imperfects" of leather as Mike reputed?

I will post pictures sometime later when I get ahold of the camera just to give you guys a better idea of the "imperfects."

 

[cueaddicts]

Mike has been around pool and has bought/sold custom cues and case for years. Personally, I have never heard any stories like this about any dealings with him. I sure hope this is not the case, but rather a misunderstanding where communication just broke down for whatever reasons. Hopefully this can still be resolved between you two. Postings such as this should be reserved for situations where other options have been exhausted....

There is one thing that everyone should keep in mind for anyone when trying to purchase or sell something on eBay or through interactions in a forum like this. You should always make sure that a return policy is clearly defined. It protects both parties. If somebody is selling you something "all sales final" or won't commit to a clearly defined inspection period for the goods, then you probably should be leery.

Sean

 

[vinniebabarooch]

The transaction that I had with Mike went Great! Something must have gone wrong. Mike communicates well. I still talk to him on occasion.
Hope you get this resolved.

 

[Salamander]

Sounds like a dirty trick to me. If he has any decency at all he will refund you your money.

Life is too short to hoard every dollar. If a customer is unhappy, send the product back, refund the money, and move on.

Generally, the only thing you should be out of is shipping, since it is generally assumed that the buyer would eat that if he is unhappy.

Regards,

Doug

 

[sweatinNbettin]

In all fairness, I think we should hear both sides of the story.That way we can then make a more well rounded evaluation of the events. I know if I was pathman, I would want to tell my side. However, Like someone said, I think making it public should be a last resort. The two people should try to work it out first before going public. There have been a few battles like this before and neither side comes out of it clean.

 

[Jeff]

I recently purchased a Justis case from Mike aka Pathman and when selling it he described the case as "nearly new." In reality the case was nothing close to nearly new. It has a very large cut/crack on the side and a stain on the bottom pocket. Though I do applause his speedy delivery; I frown upon his lack of communication skills and his lack of truthfulness.
Prior to posting this thread, I pmed him upon receiving the case and notified him of the problems trying to reach some sort of resolution. His reply was of course less than satisfactory. He replied saying the he knew I was going to be a "complainer" and that I had asked "five million questions" prior to purchasing (which was more like the lines of 2 or 3 questions).
What do you guys/gals think? Do you think I was wrong to say that a cut and stain is still considered "nearly new" or was I burning like numerous others in this world of lies and deceit? Or was the case really "nearly new" and cuts and stains are just a part of the "imperfects" of leather as Mike reputed?I"

I really hate to see this out in the public forum.

I don't see anywhere where you asked to return the case and get your money back. Did you ask to cancel the deal and if you did what did he say?

 

[ribdoner]

Known Mike for many years. Done more deals than I've got fingers and toe.

Will lay 10 to 1 that he'll do anything within reason to satisfy the buyer.

Don't know what was said but I do know that mike (PATHMAN) has always been honest and straightforward when describing items.

Is the case in question the BRN 2x4 "ultra-lite"?

 

[benny-the-blade]

Definitely would like to hear Pathman's side...Also, how long ago was this transaction completed? Maybe the buyer has exhuasted all of his options in reaching a compromise with the seller?

 

[bells]

two very good points

Mike has been around pool and has bought/sold custom cues and case for years. Personally, I have never heard any stories like this about any dealings with him. I sure hope this is not the case, but rather a misunderstanding where communication just broke down for whatever reasons. Hopefully this can still be resolved between you two. Postings such as this should be reserved for situations where other options have been exhausted....

There is one thing that everyone should keep in mind for anyone when trying to purchase or sell something on eBay or through interactions in a forum like this. You should always make sure that a return policy is clearly defined. It protects both parties. If somebody is selling you something "all sales final" or won't commit to a clearly defined inspection period for the goods, then you probably should be leery.

Sean

I could not agree with you any more. I also feel all other options should be exhausted before posting in a public forum.

 

[spankman8]

This may not be of any use to you. But ive not had no dealings with Pathman on here, but I have seen many people praise him for his selling and buying both. From what Ive personally seen about him he's a very honest person, if I'm wrong then I stand corrected, but from what Ive seen and heard about him he's very honest and a great person to deal with.

Thanks, Mark

 

[bogey54311]

bullshit

mike "pathman" is one of the strongest AZers we have here.
he has been in this game for a LONG time.
something stinks.

he sold you a justis case barley used for about 40% off of retail, and your whining about a small scratch?.........and on a public forum?

don't be another NIT.

the world already has too many.


chris G

 

[kbooks3]

Whatever....

Mike is a great guy and has done hundreds of deals through the years...I mean cause he changes "playin' cues" like he does his underwear(about once a week )...

Seriously though, I have never heard any stories like this and I would bet there is more to this story than you're telling...

I just did a deal with Mike and he is all about communication! I'm as critical as it gets...and the cues were just as described. He even took a cue of mine to Bill Schick to have it authenicated for nothing...

I think you've come to the wrong place for a "pity party" imo...

Jeremy

 

[hotdogg]

Before I posted this thread, I pmed Mike and told him what I was concerned about. All Mike said was that I was a "complainer" and that I should sell it for 500 or 600 dollars and get one from Jack. He is no way seemed to want to make any sort of compromise.
It's not that I don't like the case, I absolutely adore it. It is just that he did not fully describe it. If he had stated that there was a cut and a stain, then I would have reconsidered purchasing the case, but he in no way stated these facts up front. A large cut (maybe more of a slit) and stain does not constitute "nearly new" IMO. It is in no way a "small scratch" and even if it were a "small scratch" wouldn't an honest seller tell the buyer about such a thing upfront? I know I would.
As somebody had stated above, that he seems to have excellent dealing with others, that is one of the reasons I trusted him and purchased the case from him. But the fact is that I am deeply disappointed.
I think I am extremely easy to deal with but Mike has not made any attempt to fix the problem. Is it because I am not a big time dealer that I don't get the same respect? I am not looking for a "pity party." I am just warning other small fries like myself.

 

[ChrisOnline]

you sure you didnt cut it when you opened the box? you have to be real carefull when you open boxes especially with a box cutter or a sharp knife..

how about posting some pics of this slice... i would be interested in seeing it...

chris

 

[howardthedick]

Mike is as honest, prompt, and reliable as Dennis Searing...

but seriously, Mike is a straight up guy and tells it like it is...somethings wrong here...I'd like to hear his side of the story...

He's a good ol' boy...like me!..btw, have you heard what hotdoggs are made of?...must be some truth to it after all.

Greg

 

[bogey54311]

It's not that I don't like the case, I absolutely adore it.

then what the F*&% are you bringing this up on a public forum for?


you start yelling " look here everyone.....this guy just screwed me......he's dishonest...... I LOVE THE CASE.........but he's still a jerk".

are you kidding me?

pity party was right.




chris G

 

[cueball1950]

I recently purchased a Justis case from Mike aka Pathman and when selling it he described the case as "nearly new." In reality the case was nothing close to nearly new. It has a very large cut/crack on the side and a stain on the bottom pocket. Though I do applause his speedy delivery; I frown upon his lack of communication skills and his lack of truthfulness.
Prior to posting this thread, I pmed him upon receiving the case and notified him of the problems trying to reach some sort of resolution. His reply was of course less than satisfactory. He replied saying the he knew I was going to be a "complainer" and that I had asked "five million questions" prior to purchasing (which was more like the lines of 2 or 3 questions).
What do you guys/gals think? Do you think I was wrong to say that a cut and stain is still considered "nearly new" or was I burning like numerous others in this world of lies and deceit? Or was the case really "nearly new" and cuts and stains are just a part of the "imperfects" of leather as Mike reputed?

I will post pictures sometime later when I get ahold of the camera just to give you guys a better idea of the "imperfects."

How much did you pay for the case....maybe somebody on here might take it off your hands and put this thing to rest....just a thought........mike

 

[spankman8]

You sai

Before I posted this thread, I pmed Mike and told him what I was concerned about. All Mike said was that I was a "complainer" and that I should sell it for 500 or 600 dollars and get one from Jack. He is no way seemed to want to make any sort of compromise.
It's not that I don't like the case, I absolutely adore it. It is just that he did not fully describe it. If he had stated that there was a cut and a stain, then I would have reconsidered purchasing the case, but he in no way stated these facts up front. A large cut (maybe more of a slit) and stain does not constitute "nearly new" IMO. It is in no way a "small scratch" and even if it were a "small scratch" wouldn't an honest seller tell the buyer about such a thing upfront? I know I would.
As somebody had stated above, that he seems to have excellent dealing with others, that is one of the reasons I trusted him and purchased the case from him. But the fact is that I am deeply disappointed.
I think I am extremely easy to deal with but Mike has not made any attempt to fix the problem. Is it because I am not a big time dealer that I don't get the same respect? I am not looking for a "pity party." I am just warning other small fries like myself.

You said that youd post pics once you got a cam, i accept that as I personaly dont have a great cam myself. But still yet you say there is a great cut, how can you not think that you made the cut in the case yourself when you opened the package? Im in NO way saying that YOU made the cut, but its just a simple question as to how you know that YOU didnt make the cut when oppening the package? From what Ive herad Mike is a GREAT person, I've personally had no dealings with him YET, but im sure we will one way or another. But ive NEVER heard a bad word about him at all.

The faster you can post pics of the case means the more in favor of you. It dont mean that you are 100% correct, but it just shows respect and lets all the others to know the truth about what you are claiming.

 

[ribdoner]

Before I posted this thread, I pmed Mike and told him what I was concerned about. All Mike said was that I was a "complainer" and that I should sell it for 500 or 600 dollars and get one from Jack. He is no way seemed to want to make any sort of compromise.
It's not that I don't like the case, I absolutely adore it. It is just that he did not fully describe it. If he had stated that there was a cut and a stain, then I would have reconsidered purchasing the case, but he in no way stated these facts up front. A large cut (maybe more of a slit) and stain does not constitute "nearly new" IMO. It is in no way a "small scratch" and even if it were a "small scratch" wouldn't an honest seller tell the buyer about such a thing upfront? I know I would.
As somebody had stated above, that he seems to have excellent dealing with others, that is one of the reasons I trusted him and purchased the case from him. But the fact is that I am deeply disappointed.
I think I am extremely easy to deal with but Mike has not made any attempt to fix the problem. Is it because I am not a big time dealer that I don't get the same respect? I am not looking for a "pity party." I am just warning other small fries like myself.

Lets give everyone the benefit of a doubt. Lets ASSUME the "scratch,split,tear,whatever" wasn't there or Mike didn't see it when he described the case.

What,as a buyer of a case he a ADORES, do you want the seller to do?

Or do you feel compelled to warn other potential buyers that they also will ADORE something they buy from PATHMAN?

 

[pathman]

Thanks for all the support guys. I had a bad feeling about this guy but he pay-palled my the money so I sent the case as promised. The case was like new and after shipping and the pay-pal fees he is in it for less than 350.00. I have no idea what cut he's speaking about . This guy has no idea what he's doing or what he's looking at in my opinion. He has conceeded to me in a pm that maybe there is no stain, he's just not familiar with leather. I told him he could easily sell the case then pony up 5 or 6 bones and call Jack for a brand new case. I thought about calling Jack and giving him heads up, but I'm sure he's got tons of experience dealing with nits. I would have gladly bought the case back but this guy just wants something to whine about. As any of you know who have ever done deals with me, I will always provide a satisfaction guarantee. I don't do this stuff for money, I work for a living, this is my hobby, passion,sickness or whatever you call it . Hotdogg, sorry you're unhappy, if you're ever in Mississippi you got 9-7 for an onion.