No. We had nothing at all to do with them.
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No. We had nothing at all to do with them.
Don't try to make a big deal out of my post. I thought it was funny that he was complaining about a Chinese knock off.
BTW, I'm a 1st generation Spanish.
Happy labor day.
The web page you linked to is John's copy taken from our website without permission.
The pictures shown were also not intended to be used to insinuate that John is a part of Jiasen.
Jiasen is a separate company that John works with at times. John has given them advice in how to better construct cases.
John has ZERO financial interest in Jiasen whatsoever. The cases made in the style of Rex's, which are not copies, were done 100% without John's knowledge. The day John found out about them he showed them to Rex.
The J.Flowers brand belongs to Jiasen in China and they put it on whatever cases they want. It belongs to Sterling Gaming in the rest of the world and they stick to the similar classic tooling style that Nora Van Horn did on the J.EF Q Cases.
Anyone who wishes to talk to John about this can find him easily.
For the record John does NOT endorse copying other case maker's work. If asked we will do our own version as we did here when we were asked to exactly copy the case Mr. Justis did for Efren Reyes.
We declined and made this case for our customer instead.
So again, we had nothing to do with these cases. However as a relevant point it should be pointed out that anything which is displayed on the internet and is praised is likely to be a target of copying in some form. Many case makers have taken designs from other case makers liberally and without condemnation. As have many cue makers.
Neither of these two cases are actually copies. The blue one is a mashup of two of Rex's cases and the Spiderman one is very different.
The sad fact is that in today's world the downside of sharing work is the fact that everyone else on earth can see it and use it in any way they want to with or without permission.
John's designs have been copied more than any other case maker. He is very sensitive to the subject but also a realist. He will address this in detail on another platform sometime in the next day.
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Thanks for the clarification, that is why I stated I had not clue if John was involved in those cases. Also, as stated several times, those cases cannot hold a candle to Rex's cases.
Take Care
-don
Something rotten in Denmark. Jiasen can be trusted as much as the guys in that photo.
JV
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Very good post and the funny thing is that besides the case having Spiderman on it they look nothing alike,not even close.Cool cases though.I have a Spiderman wallet that makes me feel young again:smile:
Well, that's an intriquing case by Jiasen, but for all the wrong reasons I'm afraid. Nothing was refined or improved upon and since the visual design work that you see front and center is a direct copy of Rex's, it certainly qualifies as UNINSPIRED. :frown:
Yeah probably, but taking it from 2d comic/paper form to a relief design on a 3d cue case was clever, beautiful, and hadn't been done. The copy of that effort.....not so much imo.
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You AlWAYS justify copying, regardless of what it is. The designs are Rex's and no one would argue that. There are 10's of THOUSANDS of Spiderman images online, they still used the same images Rex used.
Lets see, did Rusty Melton make those cases, NOPE, Dennis Swift, NOPE, Jack J, NOPE, Phil Eastwood, NOPE they came out of CHINA. Gloriful China, the mother land, land of immense culture and respect for the rest of the world.. YEAH Right...
Bottom line, this company is employed by Sterling to make cases, NO ONE should drop ONE dime on any Sterling product. Let them go back and report the issues and relate them to sales they are losing. Anyone that has helped Jiansen should also NEVER sell a THING here.
JV (-----Your dog bites someone, ITS on YOU...
We didn't say that the cases are not copied from Rex's work. In fact John is the one who brought it to Rex's attention. That said the images used are NOT Rex's. It doesn't matter if there are billions of Spider Man images. That they chose to use Rex's work in this way is deplorable in John's opinion.
Our "dog"? Once again Jiasen is a wholly separate company. If you want to assign guilt by association then no one should purchase anything from anyone because almost everyone has made a copy of someone else's work in some form or another. Many famous cue dealers have commissioned cues to be made as replicas of other brand cues. Many case makers have copied other case maker's designs, have copied the actual form and function. Many cue makers have copied without any incentive from customers.
Saying that the Jiasen Case Company is our "dog" is quite a statement and highly racial on several levels. Jiasen employs more than 100 people and they make cases for dozens of customers. Sterling is the smallest of those customers. Neither we nor Sterling could control them even if we wanted to.
That said the owner of Jiasen is a good man. He personally did not intentionally copy Rex's work. If you want to make comparisons then it would be similar to a comedy club owner being crucified because a comedian got on stage and told some jokes that were taken from another comedian. When it's done it's done and the only thing that can be done is to move forward.
From this point on Mr. Wang, the owner of Jiasen, has promised that he will instruct his designers NOT to copy another person's work. He will ask them when they present ideas for cases if they took the art from somewhere else and demand the source. He now understands the problem from sourcing visual decoration from within the billiard industry.
As Rex said he himself was flattered over the interpretation of his work. Seems that you have more outrage than the artist himself. One only needs to search through the very forum to find hundreds of examples of copying, from nearly identical to inspired, without the calls for boycotts and public hanging attached to them. Many even get praised, the maker who did the copying is praised, the customer who got the copy is praised and there are congratulations all around. So please forgive us Mr. Van Buren, but we see the reality and reject your characterizations and frankly slightly disturbing racial comments.
LOL Nothing, and I mean nothing I said had a smidgen of racial overtone. Its an analogy, but nice try. Of course you know its YOUR Dog. The website text under "honour" was written by you. Cut the whole talking in the third person crap out, you make yourself look worse than you are.
BTW we aren't talking about what other casemakers, or cuemakers have done, we are talking about these two cases. Made in a factory that YOU taught, YOU "insprired", that when the case is praised YOU designed it, but when there is a flaw, its their fault.. I am sure Mr. Wang is great, I am sure that he nicely pays off like a loose slot machine when the time comes. But its YOU who's picture is on THEIR website, it's YOUR text on their web pages, that site and company has your stench upon it.
BTW Mr. Collins-Barton-Sulu we find it slightly disturbing that you think everyone here is a sucker and doesn't know its you.
JV
A whole lot of hate going on....I dont think your friendly neighbor spiderman would approve.
The website text was written by John for OUR website. It was not intended to be used by any other company for any other reason. We did not authorize Jiasen to use nor did we know it was even there until you linked to it.
Any image of John on the site is also not authorized. We have already informed Jiasen and asked them to amend their website accordingly.
And no Mr. Van Buren, Jiasen is not our dog. No more than any cue maker you commission to make cues for you is yours. We certainly do take responsibility for anything we had a hand in and we disavow responsibility for anything we did not have a hand in. We take responsibility for teaching Jiasen how to build good cue cases. We take responsibility for encouraging them to create original designs. We take credit for encouraging them to build a shop capable of making high end tooled cases. We don't take responsibility for everything they do.
The analogy is simple sir. If a dealer or customer such as yourself asks a cuemaker to replicate a classic design and the cue maker then goes on to replicate the work of others are you responsible for those copies?
We contract with Jiasen to make J.Flowers series cases and to make some of the Sterling cases. Jiasen also made the first batch of GTF cases which is where the images shown on their website came from. In order to insure the quality level we expect John taught them how to build cases the way he prefers. In the interim since that time four years ago Jiasen has gone on to make thousands of cases for many other clients. Many of the cases sold on this forum by people other than Sterling and us were made by Jiasen.
John has never received a single payment from Jiasen nor is he on their payroll in any capacity whatsoever. John and Mr. Wang are friends and they share techniques. We also purchase materials from them from time to time as they do from us.
Lastly, this is a service account meant for the communication of JB Cases business. It doesn't matter who is doing the writing, anyone with access to this account can convey information about JB Cases with our full authority. If you would like to converse with John personally then you can find him on other platforms easily.
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ps i dont think rex is as pissed as kenny is....
John was possibly even more upset than Mr. Koo when he first saw them.
Apparently some people want to play the blame game, and maybe not realize when you post photo of your Cues, Case, etc. On the worldwide Web aka Internet there are those who will take your original work, or ideas, and copy em.
That is one of the wonderful things that happen with post information, photo, or ideas on the NET.
Industrial espionage is alive, & well and one only read book Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson to see how computer company "A" stole ideas from computer company "B".
Several of the companies that sell new vehicles in the USA operate Desert Proving Ground not to far from where I live. They use big fences, armed guards, they do all they can to protect their secrets of next years, or the 2018 vehicles of "X" company.
Some have said imitation is the highest form of flatter, others call it theft of ideas,and designs, but it happen in Pool Cue Case, Dresses, Jewelry, and too many other product to list.
When you post a photo of something on the net, IMHO it is like leaving you window down in you car, and the keys in the ignition. Soon or later some unscrupulous person will steal your ride.:frown:
That is one of the wonderful things that happen with post information, photo, or ideas on the NET.
Industrial espionage is alive, & well and one only read book Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson to see how computer company "A" stole ideas from computer company "B".
Several of the companies that sell new vehicles in the USA operate Desert Proving Ground not to far from where I live. They use big fences, armed guards, they do all they can to protect their secrets
of next years, or the 2018 vehicles of "X" company.Some have said imitation is the highest form of flatter, others call it theft of ideas,and designs, but it happen in Pool Cue Case, Dresses, Jewelry, and too many other product to list.
When you post a photo of something on the net, IMHO it is like leaving you window down in you car, and the keys in the ignition. Soon or later some unscrupulous person will steal your ride.:frown:
This is funny and typical az billiards non sense . So I guess no one can make a spiderman case because someone else already made one? Even though they look nothing a like ? The only one being ripped off here is marvel because I'm betting none of you got there permission to use there copy rited images lol if he made an exact copy I'd feel for you but they don't.
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I noticed that those cases have handles on them, too...right where my case has handles!
OMG!...they copied my case! Bastards!
I want a case with Spiderpig on it. Can it cling to a wall, not it can't it's Spiderpig.
Jeff Livingston
I dont see why peolpe wanta blame jb at all . Peple copy cases and cues all the time .. So this just crazy ... Fine the one who really made a copy of the cases at hand and take it up with them..
Wow some people are sure fast to blame others.
smh.
Jhon did not do it ..
Wow some people are sure fast to blame others.
smh.
Jhon did not do it ..