i have the same cue bought from bill in 72 has jw on the but cap.
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From J&J? Does J&J have a picture of a Josswest logo on the butt plate?
Not to doubt you, but does it have an 18 thread pin? Do you have a picture of it?
yes 18 thread. don't have a pic right now, but if you're not in a hurry i'll try to get one.
No hurry here. I thought Bill started with the 5/16 X 14 thread pin when he went on his own. Maybe he did a few with 18 thread. Anybody think the OP's is a JossWest?
Nope
Again, not to doubt anyone, but that's not Bill's JossWest joint ring collar, even in his first brochure. And the bumper doesn't look right. He would recess it more than that. Not doubting anyone...
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This cue could possibly be Early Verl Horn cue...
He made knock-off's of Bushka, Szam,
Pretty sure Verl bought pre-made points from the Prather shop-
which , earlier style forearms tended be thinner-JW has wider points above the wrap
Maybe send your pics to Jeff at Prather cues"
be fore you comment on the butt cap, it broke in the 70s and I just evened it up myself. much older and wiser (sort of) now. I think the original bumber was brown. I know the ivory jointed jw I bought off his postcard (catalog?) in 74-75(?) had a brown one.
I don't think it's good enough to be a Verl Horn. His workmanship was very good.
A lot of you guys have way more hands-on experience with the older Joss (East and West) cues than I do. I'm more familiar with both shops' works from the 90's on. But have you guys ever seen work this rough from either of them? And I'm not talking about the finish. Rough and off center inlays are the things that stick out to me the most.
Yeah, it's not a JossWest. And I have my doubts on some pictures above as well.
I still play with a ‘68 Joss…18 thread….they made them into the early ‘70s.
probably right....
BUT I read in the Blue Book,
AFTER Gus was established,
He came across the 1st cue he built ,
bought the cue back and took it home and destroyed it!
Correct.
Enigma.
I dig these mysteries.
Several could be and couldn't be. Matches up with a few makers generally but not perfectly with any.
Clearly we all regognize the design.
The materials are good, execution details are off.
Clearly has some age. Old type finish shrinkage. The joint face on that shaft was treated like a cheap hooker ripped off her pimp.
Somebody "loved" it like Dr. Lecter loved meat.
Clearly Stroud made 18 pin cues, I am surprised it was not more widely known, we have seen them in the forum before. But he didn't make such gross technical errors in execution.
Those dots look like they were put in by Marty Feldman.
Of course, had to put a new handle in it and make sure the points don't line up with the butt sleeve windows.
Horn? Maybe-ish if he was drunk when he made it.
Masker ran out of shaft wood and made up for length with the ferrule? LOL!
Wow.
Enigma.
OK. Someone took a JW, got drunk with a Dremel, decided to put some dots in it. Then they decided they didn't like it and sold it to a banger that couldn't find his hammer and used the shaft joint face to drive some brad nails. They broke the handle, had Barney the cue hack down the road replace it with the points out of line with the butt sleeve. The original wrap was lost and some spare fishing line was put on and single pressed. This all happened in 1978 before it was tossed into the back seat of a Trans Am and left in long term parking at an airport where the sun yellowed and faded everything and trashed the finish.
Funny. It's so cool and so screwed up at the same time.
Has anybody looked at that shaft wood? Holy shit.
I dig these mysteries.
Several could be and couldn't be. Matches up with a few makers generally but not perfectly with any.
Clearly we all regognize the design.
The materials are good, execution details are off.
Clearly has some age. Old type finish shrinkage. The joint face on that shaft was treated like a cheap hooker ripped off her pimp.
Somebody "loved" it like Dr. Lecter loved meat.
Clearly Stroud made 18 pin cues, I am surprised it was not more widely known, we have seen them in the forum before. But he didn't make such gross technical errors in execution.
Those dots look like they were put in by Marty Feldman.
Of course, had to put a new handle in it and make sure the points don't line up with the butt sleeve windows.
Horn? Maybe-ish if he was drunk when he made it.
Masker ran out of shaft wood and made up for length with the ferrule? LOL!
Wow.
Enigma.
OK. Someone took a JW, got drunk with a Dremel, decided to put some dots in it. Then they decided they didn't like it and sold it to a banger that couldn't find his hammer and used the shaft joint face to drive some brad nails. They broke the handle, had Barney the cue hack down the road replace it with the points out of line with the butt sleeve. The original wrap was lost and some spare fishing line was put on and single pressed. This all happened in 1978 before it was tossed into the back seat of a Trans Am and left in long term parking at an airport where the sun yellowed and faded everything and trashed the finish.
Funny. It's so cool and so screwed up at the same time.
Has anybody looked at that shaft wood? Holy shit.
This post sends me back to the early days of this forum...so clever and funny!
I took a shot.This post sends me back to the early days of this forum...so clever and funny!
I'll sit down watch my opponent run out.