How can a aiming system allow for swerve, curve, squirt, throw. Or are they for center ball shots only..
Can a aiming system...
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aiming systems alone can't....
In fact, in some cases aiming systems alone will fail even at center ball.
What aiming systems are best for is taking the guess work out of fixing stroke mechanics.
If you can be sure you're aiming in the right place then you can know that it is stroke mechanics that is causing you to miss and you can focus on the right things to fix your problems.
If you combine a good geometry based aiming system with BHE, it can take most of the guess work out of fixing problems.
the opposite is also true. If you can isolate and do bottle-stroke drills etc... to perfect your stroke, you can isolate and be sure you are stroking correctly and know that you need to adjust your aim.
Jaden.
Mowem down said:
In fact, in some cases aiming systems alone will fail even at center ball.
What aiming systems are best for is taking the guess work out of fixing stroke mechanics.
If you can be sure you're aiming in the right place then you can know that it is stroke mechanics that is causing you to miss and you can focus on the right things to fix your problems.
If you combine a good geometry based aiming system with BHE, it can take most of the guess work out of fixing problems.
the opposite is also true. If you can isolate and do bottle-stroke drills etc... to perfect your stroke, you can isolate and be sure you are stroking correctly and know that you need to adjust your aim.
Jaden.
Mowem down said:
In my studies, I found you had to aim a little thicker or thinner off the contact point your system tells you to aim at. Figure out what swerve, for example, will do to your shot and adjust for it. Pretty simple once you are know how the balls will react with your stroke and equiptment.
You know how a world class sprinter can run the 100 and walk away knowing that "I just ran a 9.85" without even looking at the time? Or I've even seen short rink ice skaters skate a lap exatly to the 10th of a second of what their coaches instruct them to in practice. This is all possible with intense repitition, and phenominal muscle memory, and I've always believed that aiming in pool is the same way. Not to say that I can pocket everything I'm faced with, but I believe that after executing the same cut over and over with all the different speeds and English, your body learns the cut and how to aim. I've found for myself that the more I put my mind into the shot by thinking about where to cut, lining it up into the pocket, and concentrating on a certain spot on the ob that I miss more than when I just let my body do what I trust it already should know what and how to do.
For me anyway, aiming methods and systems do nothing but to let my brain get in the way of what I have always felt my body needed to be trained to do.
dave
For me anyway, aiming methods and systems do nothing but to let my brain get in the way of what I have always felt my body needed to be trained to do.
dave
Yes, I too am familiar with Jor T's aiming system. I don't recall him saying anything about the ghost ball. The whole purpose of visualizing the CP's on the CB/OB is so you know the answer before even bending down to shoot. The only things that need further consideration are angle, spin and speed.PKM said:
Whether you know it or not, you too have an aiming system. There is a certain order of operations that your brain goes through to get your body in line to shoot the shot and then once it thinks everything looks good it send the signal to fire. The whole point of having an aiming system is to train and practice so that you don't have to think about it during a match.Tokyo-dave said:
what they said...
Aiming systems are the basic part of the equation. You will have to have the experience to deal with throw, running english, squirt, table conditions, your hangover, and other factors.
Aiming systems have nothing to do with squirt that is primarily a factor of your cue / english your using in the shot / strength of your hit and you must make allowances for these things.
Table speed and cloth will factor into your shot. As stated earlier the aiming system is to say in a perfect world if your cue ball hit the object ball in this exact spot not accounting for any other factors it would go into the pocket.
So.......
ergo, therefore, thus, hence, consequently, accordingly, vis a vis
What everyone else said........:wink:
Aiming systems are the basic part of the equation. You will have to have the experience to deal with throw, running english, squirt, table conditions, your hangover, and other factors.
Aiming systems have nothing to do with squirt that is primarily a factor of your cue / english your using in the shot / strength of your hit and you must make allowances for these things.
Table speed and cloth will factor into your shot. As stated earlier the aiming system is to say in a perfect world if your cue ball hit the object ball in this exact spot not accounting for any other factors it would go into the pocket.
So.......
ergo, therefore, thus, hence, consequently, accordingly, vis a vis
What everyone else said........:wink:
I can imagine that for others (even me, in a low tech way) systems probably do the opposite: provide a structure that helps the conscious mind get out of the way of and maybe work more effectively with the subconscious/physical.
That cat gets skinned a lotta ways.
pj
chgo
Mowem down said:
I think an accurate system for squirve and throw is impractical because of all the variables: speed, spin, distance, friction. But, like aiming systems themselves, it doesn't have to be totally accurate to be helpful. For instance, it could leave friction up to the player.
pj
chgo
Mowem down said:
Perhaps I shouldn't speak because I don't know any aiming systems and would run for the hills if someone tried to teach me one. But after reading the discussions/arguments on this topic, they seem to be for center ball only. Backhand english is separate from aiming systems - it's an adjustment to the correct aim, and is the same whether that correct aim was found by an aiming system or "what looks right".
IMO, if someone could actually devise an aiming system that handles squirt, swerve and throw, as well as center ball, it would be so complicated, with so many exceptions ("but in this case, you do this"), that a student is better off doing it the old-fashioned way - shooting lots of shots, with different speeds and amounts of inside and outside english, and teaching yourself what works.
The problem with BHE Patrick, is that because all aiming is done pre-pivot, it's quite hard to bring feel into it, so increasing performance would require more knowledge than feel in my opinion.Patrick Johnson said:
Someone could use it to get ball park english sighting I guess, but I think they may as well just go ballpark from the beginning without BHE.
I think using BHE to its strength (and it is extremely strong within the right range of shots), requires increasing knowledge of the adjustment methods in a systematic way.
I agree with you it doesn't have to be totally accurate. All methods of aiming and execution have margins of error. But with BHE, I think refining the margins of error by feel isn't the best way to go. I think it has to become knowledge based at least. e.g. Hitting harder, shorten pivot point. Over time, the degree of the adjustments may be refined, not by feel, but by observation and testing.
Colin