Can anyone explain...

rackmsuckr

rackmsuckr

Linda Carter - The QUEEN!
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What really happens when a ball hits the side pocket then shoots down the rail to the corner pocket?

It doesn't seem like hitting the point or the inside jaw would send it in that direction at all, yet we see it happen all the time.

Watching all those slow-mo hits made me wonder.
 
i always thought what causes that is you actually hit the outside jaw, it bounces back and hits the inside jaw and runs down the rail......kind of like when you are hooked in the corner pocket and the object ball is in the opposite corner pocket on the same short rail, and you kick into the jaw of the corner and try to get it to go across
 
More important things that remaim unexplained:

how many asinine threads could Linda start without feeling the urgent impact of even one self-restricting thought?

based on her grotesque and ridiculous inclusion in the IPT, her insatiable desire to be liked and her utmost lack of ability, is Linda the female counterpart of the australian banger?

should the morbid sight of a Linda-Colin IPT match be considered a cruel and unusual punishment and therefore legally prevented?


Bye-bye. You've slung your last insult here.

Dave
 
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rackmsuckr said:
What really happens when a ball hits the side pocket then shoots down the rail to the corner pocket?
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All I know is I see some *amazing* shots sometimes. Then I try to intentionally shoot the same shot myself and can't do it no matter how many times I try!

There is also the shoot ball into corner, then it wobbles in/out or whatever and rolls down the short rail into the other corner pocket.

When I shoot a weird shot like one of these, I tell everyone "I have been practicing that shot!"
 
This has been discussed on a German Forum I visit, without a real definitive answer. My best guess is that the objectball has a little follow on it, simply because it has been rolling, or maybe helped by drawing back the white. You then hit the jaw in such a way that the objectball is kicked back just glancing by the opposite jaw, then the follow takes hold and it goes in the corner pocket.

There were also those who thought side spin from the jaw was involved, and those that said the objectball did hit the second jaw and that's why it falls.

These are only to be seen as opinions, I'd also love to know for sure. I did just have a brainwave though, maybe there's more than one way for this to happen.

gr. Dave
 
i don't think i've ever seen the cb go from side pocket to corner pocket. corner to corner,,,,but not side to corner.
 
I've seen it happen many times and confess I always wondered how the hell does that happen, how does it make it by that other point yet still hug the rail. I like the topspin explanantion but have no proof.
 
What are we talking about here?
This:
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or this:
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It is a simple explanation- the round ball hits the point and the force redirects the path in an (highly) unxepected path.
 
Joe T said:
I've seen it happen many times and confess I always wondered how the hell does that happen, how does it make it by that other point yet still hug the rail. I like the topspin explanantion but have no proof.
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I have a friend that wondered the same thing. He went to the table alone one day and figured out, how to do it on purpose. He figured he had seen it done so many times by accident, that learning how to do it was possible. The part that puzzles me, is not that he can do it, but why I keep trying to beat this guy.

Tracy
 
adammcnatt said:
how many asinine threads could Linda start without feeling the urgent impact of even one self-restricting thought?

based on her grotesque and ridiculous inclusion in the IPT, her insatiable desire to be liked and her utmost lack of ability, is Linda the female counterpart of the australian banger?

should the morbid sight of a Linda-Colin IPT match be considered a cruel and unusual punishment and therefore legally prevented?


Bye-bye. You've slung your last insult here.

Dave
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Wow, that was the juiciest, most brazen "bash the Pro" post yet!

Makes for entertaining reading, but hurts everyone's knowledge of the IPT and high level play.

Ouch.
 
Why would you go and bash Linda like that? Linda who never says anything crappy about anyone and who always goes out of her way to help answer a question??
Well I hope the in your next match someone shoots and shot and it rattles in the pocket, jumps out and thumps you in the head. Now, explain that shot to me.
 
I think the explanation is this: the ball has to hit the point at such an angle that it bounces back in the direction of A on this diagram, and it has to have topspin (and a little left as diagrammed here would help, but probably isn't necessary). The topspin, once the ball's forward momentum is reversed by impact with the point, turns into overspin, and now has basically the same spin as a swerve shot (somewhat elevated cue + side spin). The swerve lets it bounce out past the other point of the pocket, but then turn back in toward the corner, as shown by the curved yellow arrow. If it swerves as far as the rail, the spin would tend to ake it "hug" on its way down.

-Andrew

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bruin70 said:
i don't think i've ever seen the cb go from side pocket to corner pocket. corner to corner,,,,but not side to corner.
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Seen it a zillion times. Get your hand on the video of Minnesota Fats playing Waylon Jennings, and he does it (not on purpose)on the common cross side shot.

http://CueTable.com/P/?@4APLJ4PFXR4UPLJ4Uany3UbES6UXMk2Uatd4kFXR4kMyL@

Fred

P.S. The new Wei Table is starting to really take shape after several changes. It's easier, IMO.
 
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adammcnatt said:
how many asinine threads could Linda start without feeling the urgent impact of even one self-restricting thought?

based on her grotesque and ridiculous inclusion in the IPT, her insatiable desire to be liked and her utmost lack of ability, is Linda the female counterpart of the australian banger?

should the morbid sight of a Linda-Colin IPT match be considered a cruel and unusual punishment and therefore legally prevented?


Bye-bye. You've slung your last insult here.

Dave
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Well, I know a response is stupid, but I am now wondering why it took so long to ban this guy based on what he has said about Colin.

The guy is a pool wXore, who idolizes Keith (yet bashes JAM!), Corey and John Schmidt. And other than that, really doesn't know what he is talking about on the pool scene. He contributed exactly nothing in the year he was here.

And Colin, I am proud to be your counterpart! :p ;)

Thanks to all the responses. A knowledgeable shooter and I were watching the IPT Q when that shot happened and we wondered why we see it all the time, yet never had a good explanation. It would be nice if the guy that could reproduce the shot, could shoot it in slow-mo.
 
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I see this fairly often on firmly-struck cross-side banks (exactly like Fatty's shot), but almost never on straight in shots. I'm not a physics guy, but if I had to take a stab at explaining why it happens on these shots, it would be this:

A banked ball has had more time/distance to acheive natural rolling, whereas a ball shot straight in, with speed, is likely to still be sliding when it gets to the hole. Natural rolling, at higher speeds, is going to produce the same effect as a pretty fair amount of follow, and, if you catch the point just right, it's enough spin to make the ball bend into the corner pocket. Another possible reason for this occuring more often on firmly-struck shots is that the firm speed compresses the point a little more, and this may make the angle of exit even more shallow in certain cirsumstances.

The last time this happened to me, the ob came off the rail at least a ball's width after hitting the point (I smacked it pretty good), and it still curved into the corner, so there's defnitely a spin-factor here.
 
I think it has to do with the normal force that the rail exerts on the ball when it hits the corner. When you shoot a ball into the rail as normal the force is (mostly) perpendicular to the rail. When you hit the corner or side of the rail you are going to get a force that acts parallel to the rail. This force is in the direction of the corner pocket and thus sends the ball in that direction.
 
Aaron_S said:
I see this fairly often on firmly-struck cross-side banks (exactly like Fatty's shot), but almost never on straight in shots. I'm not a physics guy, but if I had to take a stab at explaining why it happens on these shots, it would be this:

A banked ball has had more time/distance to acheive natural rolling, whereas a ball shot straight in, with speed, is likely to still be sliding when it gets to the hole. Natural rolling, at higher speeds, is going to produce the same effect as a pretty fair amount of follow, and, if you catch the point just right, it's enough spin to make the ball bend into the corner pocket. Another possible reason for this occuring more often on firmly-struck shots is that the firm speed compresses the point a little more, and this may make the angle of exit even more shallow in certain cirsumstances.

The last time this happened to me, the ob came off the rail at least a ball's width after hitting the point (I smacked it pretty good), and it still curved into the corner, so there's defnitely a spin-factor here.
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I think this explanation is dead on. The object ball won't do it if it's sliding, only if it's rolling at a good clip, like Aaron said. The missed cross-side bank at speed would be the perfect circumstance for this to occur.

-Andrew
 
It hits the point with topspin, clears the other side point, then top spin makes it hug the rail on the way to the pocket. As mentioned above, it is a rolling ball at speed. How many of these have you seen at slow speed? My guess is probably never.

You can reproduce the shot just shooting the c/b. Just have to fine tune where you hit the point. Try it, also try it with low, I doubt it will ever go.

Rod
 
my guess is this....what's confusing is why the cb doesn't hit the opposite point of the rail, yes?

doesn't the rail contact the cb above the cb's center?? therefore, there's a small central portion of the cb that can actually pass beyond and under the rail.
 
last year I had a guy show me this shot after a match. it was just strait top spin.
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