Can anyone identify this case???
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Yep
Chinese knock off. Looks like a JB interior.
Chinese knock off. Looks like a JB interior.
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Jack,
What's a JB Interior?
Sorry for what could be a dumb question...I don't know much about cases.
Thanks.
JB as in John Barton... Looks like someone stuffed an instroke, a John Barton design, in a Justis. Search JB Cases on the boards here to find out more on John.
Wonder if it voided the warranty?
Seriously, another rip off... and this is older than I would expect.
JV
Already answered in another thread. Not a ripoff unless you consider tooling leather in a common pattern to be a ripoff.
This case is part Instroke, part Jay Flowers, part Justis, part Porper. In other words it is NOT a knockoff.
Let me repeat that a bit more clearly. IT IS NOT A KNOCKOFF.
Now "Bentley" has made many knockoffs of Instroke cases. Almost identical designs. This one however is not almost identical to any case out there. Anyone can see that it is NOT a Justis.
Y'all are funny though. Funny that I NEVER hear anyone crying "ripoff" when someone shows a case that "looks like" a Fellini, such as Viking, Engles, Kelli, Schon, McDermott, Thomas..... to name a few. No the ONLY one that some of you jerks say is a "ripoff" is the GTF. Hmmmm, must be a "racist" thing since the GTF is made on the other side of the planet. So racist that you can't even give this case a pass on design for being a mashup of various cases.
Just like the Justis case was "inspired" by those done by Jay Flowers/Nora Van Horn, no one calls Jack's cases ripoffs of Jay's work. You can put some of Nora's cases side by side with some of Jack's work and the similarities are very clear.
Edit: Also no one but me pipes up to criticize the knockoffs of Whitten cases that show up on this forum all the time. Nearly 1:1 copies and the copy-police are glaringly silent.
This case is part Instroke, part Jay Flowers, part Justis, part Porper. In other words it is NOT a knockoff.
Let me repeat that a bit more clearly. IT IS NOT A KNOCKOFF.
Now "Bentley" has made many knockoffs of Instroke cases. Almost identical designs. This one however is not almost identical to any case out there. Anyone can see that it is NOT a Justis.
Y'all are funny though. Funny that I NEVER hear anyone crying "ripoff" when someone shows a case that "looks like" a Fellini, such as Viking, Engles, Kelli, Schon, McDermott, Thomas..... to name a few. No the ONLY one that some of you jerks say is a "ripoff" is the GTF. Hmmmm, must be a "racist" thing since the GTF is made on the other side of the planet. So racist that you can't even give this case a pass on design for being a mashup of various cases.
Just like the Justis case was "inspired" by those done by Jay Flowers/Nora Van Horn, no one calls Jack's cases ripoffs of Jay's work. You can put some of Nora's cases side by side with some of Jack's work and the similarities are very clear.
Edit: Also no one but me pipes up to criticize the knockoffs of Whitten cases that show up on this forum all the time. Nearly 1:1 copies and the copy-police are glaringly silent.
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Knockoff of what?
Yes they tried to do my interior but forgot to secure it properly. Maybe they were knocking off your loose interior?
Also, Bentley cases were at one time made in Thailand as far as I know. Doesn't matter though does it when they all look alike right?
But if made in China what are the odds that your Chinese case making partner Long Chan made these? After all they have been in the case knockoff business for a long time.
Saying this case is not intended to knock off the look of a justis in just incorrect. Anyone who sees this case will call it a Justis before any other case you mentioned.
Were they right down to the failing latches and splitting bottoms?
GTF to my knowledge took heat for the attempt to pass it off as a USA made case with the "fellini" label on the inside, with Chicago Illinois or some nonsense. It was a warranted complaint, and observation. Regardless of the excuse that Chicago was the home base, the intent was very clear. Ironically the deciet attempt was something you would expect from an import.
The similarities are very clear on a number of cases. But Jack has redefined that look into something clearly Justis.
BTW just so we are clear, you answered posts in here and commented on them with your own free will. There will be no poor ole' me stand alone threads in the future, right? Whatever happens here is not applicable to a future crybaby thread.
Your pre-mention of racism opens the door for any questioning of your chinese laiden business tactics such as the GTF false label, and your use of copyright images for personal profit (another Chinese gem) (florida gator, mighty mouse and others)
JV
Older Justis for comparison... doesn't take a brain surgeon to see where that case got the majority of its look from.
JV
Care to bet on that? I'd be willing to bet I could walk into any poolroom in the country and no one who knows cases will confuse this with a Justis.
A knockoff is a copy. This is not a copy any more than a cue with mother-of-pearl notched diamonds is not a copy of a Paradise.
Yep. The difference is that I corrected those things long before they started knocking us off.
No the intent was not clear. And no that's not what I was referring to. I was and am referring to the many people who claim that GTF is a knockoff of Fellini but who do NOT EVER say the same thing about any other case after Fellini that looks substantially similar.
It sure is funny though that you say the intent was to deceive and yet the origin of the cases has been on the website from the first day prominently and clearly stated. And of course since I am the maker I was REALLLY trying to deceive everyone by coming on here to brag about making them.
Seems to me that the people who paid for the GTFs to be made would have prohibited me from disclosing my involvement if they had intended to deceive everyone. Instead they encouraged me to talk about the cases and featured me as the maker. Very sneaky of them to allow so much discussion about the cases to be indexed by Google which ties me, who prominently and proudly makes cases in China, to the brand.
You're reaching as usual Joe. And not quite getting there.
That he has. And this case is clearly NOT a Justis. Case closed.
Huh?
There is nothing false about the label. Nothing wrong, nothing illegal. What's a laiden?
You can talk about whatever you want to. An explanation of Fair Use under the Copyright act is probably beyond your comprehension and you are not privy to my business communications anyway and never will be.
Of course hypocrite and racist that you act like we won't see you calling out anyone else for the same use of images they don't own regardless of whether that use was ok or not.
Or will you prove me wrong and also call out the others?
John, nearly everyone on the planet will not have your level of case knowledge expertise. If I walked into a pool room and saw that case from across the room or even 10-15 feet away, I would immediately think Justis.....all day long and twice on Sunday.
Sean (not a case expert by any means but certainly had my share of 'em and seen a lot more)
Sean (not a case expert by any means but certainly had my share of 'em and seen a lot more)
This is a valid point. I have had at least 3 of the cases named and they do in a way resemble the Fellini style.
Really?
That's not a very good compliment for Jack then because his work is much cleaner than this. The whole case has a different profile than a Justis. Would you say the same thing about an Al King case? Or a Black Hills case?
I can name several other case makers who have done Justis-like cases and not once has anyone on here piped up to call those cases knockoffs.
I would bet $100 if I walked up to your booth and tried to sell you this case you would NOT say it's a Justis. I would bet you wouldn't ask me if Jack built it and you wouldn't look for his stamp or signature because it would be clearly apparent to you that it's not a Justis.
The fact of it is that Jack set the "tone" by anchoring the conversation and calling it a knockoff when it's clearly NOT a knockoff. I do not believe for a second that anyone who owns or has owned a Justis would confuse this case with one. They might say it looks like a Justis a little, or has elements of Justis which it does but I highly doubt that anyone would say "Nice Justis".
But again let's stick to the larger point. If this case is a knockoff then can we call Justis' work knockoffs of Jay Flowers? And Thomas' work knockoffs of Centennial and McDermott and It's George? Can we call Marc Turcasso and Rusty Melton's work knockoffs of Chas Clements' work?
I am not so cavalier about using the word knockoff. To me there has to me much more copying, almost 1:1 to be considered a knockoff. Just using a few elements doesn't make it a knockoff and certainly not a ripoff.
You would have a bet with me any day then. First the "average" person does not even know what a Justis looks like in the first place even if they have heard of the brand which most people in pool rooms have not.
So then we go to the average Justis owner who prides themselves on their case, they probably designed it.
The average Justis owner being familiar with his own case and probably others would not, in my opinion, think or say that this case is a Justis. Of course I suppose you know more about it than me. I only traveled around the USA four times going into pool rooms and talking to real people about cases in all dimensions. I only spent 7 years going to all the big shows and talking to thousands of people about what they know about cases.
Most people in pool rooms don't even know the Instroke brand so why would you think that they would know Justis?
But whatever, I think you are disrespecting Jack by saying that Justis owners would think it's a Justis.
P.S. in your signature you should spell Jack's name right. It's Justis with an S not ce.
Older Justis for comparison... doesn't take a brain surgeon to see where that case got the majority of its look from.
JV
And an older Jay Flowers/Nora Van Horn to see where Jack got a lot of his "look" from.
And the case in question:
Other than the SIMPLE tooling pattern and the lid-style both of which are common on leather goods I don't see a lot of similarity between this case and the Justis.
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One other thing.. YOU told me numerous times that those cases were never called Jay Flowers, EVER. But look above... looks like someone knows exactly what those cases have always been called... YOU don't even call them JEF Q cases.. lol. Don't ever correct anyone until you can keep it straight yourself.
What's next.. you going to have a line of cues called Boti cues, or Bushka cues.. you know its just a brand...?
JV