Can someone explain?

manlyshot said:
Certainly, Gremlin meant no inference to road players as being "riff raff," or did he?

ManlyShot
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Might have, yup jest might have. Ya know, Grem is a nice old boy, but he hangs 'round with all them there British/Irish/European lady player types so's he probably don't cotton much to the 'rowdy roady' types. Oh well, like they be done said in France - Say,La,Vee.

Later, Pel
 
Gremlin said:
Manleyshot, I understand the selection process implicitly and I am not a upa member. My reference to roadie riff raff is what I had a TD tell me was his first job, screening entries at an open tournament. I assume all TD's screen out the roadie riff raff in all tournaments. I called no upa member anything of the kind but if the shoe fits wear it.
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You assume that all TD's screen out the "roadie riff raff," and so you applied the shoe to my foot.

You read a couple of posts instead of the whole thread and then address your accusations and assumptions to the wrong folks, and after the realization kicks in, you continue on your rampage.

gremlin said:
Stereotype? Stereotype, is one of the words used by the inadaquate politically correct to keep their butt in the middle of an issue. I find people who use it are cowards who tell the big lie for so long all the miss informed and stupid believe it.
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You haven't gotten under my skin yet, Gremlin, but I'll keep reading.

gremlin said:
ManleyShot are you a racist? I never called you out on it before but you slam Charlie a little too much for it to be just business? You sure your not a jealous, for lack of a better word senior person, who hates Charlie because he is brilliant, young and successful.
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This is the most ridiculous statement you have posted to me yet. I'm still reading.

Gremlin said:
I read your whole post over three times. It is nothing but vague hear say (gossip) worthy of the Star and the Globe. Last but not least are you a upa member? If your not what's it to you? What upa members are having misconceptions and misunderstandings. Call Frank at 602-218-6670 make the misconceptions and misunderstandings go away.
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I have always had pleasant dealings with Frank Alvarez and have discussed this as well as other concerns relating to the UPA, Gremlin.

I already know the facts. If you need to know them, Gremlin, it is really quite simple. Call the Joss Tour Director Mike Zuglan or the TD of the Capital City Classic to find out the facts for yourself, but then again, you don't like men's pool, as I recall, stating on numerous occasions there just isn't a real men's tour and you wouldn't spend one nickel to go see them. Am I recalling this correctly? Have you informed your friend, Charlie, about your discontent of the puny men's tour, never producing any real stats, and the crappy website the men's organization has?

Enjoy the ladies' pool, Gremlin. Your mean-spirited post directed at me was unnecessary.

ManlyShot
 
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hey everybody!!!!!!!

Since i made a big horses ass of myself on this thread. and since this thread has gotten so far off the original subject, how about we just let this thread end and call it all square. no more bashing anybody. :mad: especially when people's names who did not even get involved with this thread get their name dragged into it. :mad: so please let the in fighting end.....................................mike
 
Gremlin said:
Mike,

Sorry I am tired of people who don't know Charlie putting the slam on him.

Cheers,

Gremlin
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Charlie brings a lot of this on himself with his attitude. I'm sure he means well, but it isn't communicated that way, at least not in the few times I have had face to face dealings with him. He probably doesn't even realize it. I just know I was not impressed with him or the organization he was trying to start up when he came to the Quick-Clean booth at VF in 2002 looking for donations. He was offered product and said he didn't want product, he wanted money. Then he turned on his heel and walked away. He got neither money or product (or respect, for that matter). The product could easily be turned into money. I suspect (but don't know for fact) that others got this same reaction. My impression was he was immature, nieve, and unbusinesslike (abrupt). I have not dealt with him on a personal level. My friend Jim Meador used to talk very highly of Charlie years ago. I only know for sure what I have seen myself, and it was not a positive experience. YMMV I'm stating facts, not rumor or hear say.
 
Gremlin said:
Mike,

I can take care of that. I can delete everything I have typed if you like. No bother at all. Don't be rediclious you are no horses ass. Sorry I am tired of people who don't know Charlie putting the slam on him.

Cheers,

Gremlin
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I heard all of the slams on Charlie. Then I met him. I found him to be pleasant, likeable and helpful. He may be a little on the quiet side, until he gets to know you, which it seems others blew up to be something else. Charlie is really a nice guy who happens as you say to be young, talented and successful.

JMO

Laura
 
Adding to the slams

Frank_Glenn said:
Charlie brings a lot of this on himself with his attitude. I'm sure he means well, but it isn't communicated that way, at least not in the few times I have had face to face dealings with him. He probably doesn't even realize it. I just know I was not impressed with him or the organization he was trying to start up when he came to the Quick-Clean booth at VF in 2002 looking for donations. He was offered product and said he didn't want product, he wanted money. Then he turned on his heel and walked away. He got neither money or product (or respect, for that matter). The product could easily be turned into money. I suspect (but don't know for fact) that others got this same reaction. My impression was he was immature, nieve, and unbusinesslike (abrupt). I have not dealt with him on a personal level. My friend Jim Meador used to talk very highly of Charlie years ago. I only know for sure what I have seen myself, and it was not a positive experience. YMMV I'm stating facts, not rumor or hear say.
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I agree with you Mr. Glenn. I had never met Mr. Willliams until a couple of years ago when I had to play him in the Derby City and I found him to have a terrible attitude. After he beat me you would have thought he had lost with the respect he showed this old timer. When I went to shake his hand he was turning away like he did not care and then when he did it was not even with a smile and a nice game comment. At the time he was working with Diamond
tables and I was interested in them. As I attempted over the next few days to approach him his attitude turned me off so I did not bother. Eventually I got some Gold Crowns but now lo and behold he is working for them. I hope I never have to deal with him in the future as I will be continuing to do business with them. Maybe if you got to know him it would be different but in the business he is in first impressions are lasting impressions.
 
U. P. A

We can say what we want about the oligarchy know as the U. P. A., but until we find a better solution we have to deal with their short-sighted ways. How about a good old fashion coup Mr. Grady. You know we can always cart out the guillotine.
 
Gremlin said:
Pelican,

Cut it out. lol lol Your like that Fireman who pours gasoline on a fire to make some overtime. You may even have a blown seal. :) He He Ha Ha HAAAAAA

Cheers,

Gremlin~~~Pel you have to have some space under that bridge for me? :D
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OK Grem, that's it. I may be a bit strange but I ain't blown a seal. Hell man, that's beastiality, even I ain't that kinky :eek:
You come on down, We got things under that bridge love to have little green creatures for lunch :D :D

Later, Pel
 
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manlyshot said:
Unless it affects you, Gremlin. I had a feeling you were a drinker.

ManlyShot
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Yea, but damn dude, he drinks Crown. That be some good sheet. Drank it by the buckets when I was on my 6 year drunk (86-92). Gonna hasta cut him some slack (maybe he send us some - I get started again). That stuff makes me break out ................................in cities :D YaaHooo

Later, Pel
 
Frank_Glenn said:
Charlie brings a lot of this on himself with his attitude. I'm sure he means well, but it isn't communicated that way, at least not in the few times I have had face to face dealings with him. He probably doesn't even realize it. I just know I was not impressed with him or the organization he was trying to start up when he came to the Quick-Clean booth at VF in 2002 looking for donations. He was offered product and said he didn't want product, he wanted money. Then he turned on his heel and walked away. He got neither money or product (or respect, for that matter). The product could easily be turned into money. I suspect (but don't know for fact) that others got this same reaction. My impression was he was immature, nieve, and unbusinesslike (abrupt). I have not dealt with him on a personal level. My friend Jim Meador used to talk very highly of Charlie years ago. I only know for sure what I have seen myself, and it was not a positive experience. YMMV I'm stating facts, not rumor or hear say.
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Hey Frank, I must admit to never meeting Charlie but some that have met him mentioned he is really not a 'people' person. Might be somewhat curt with folks.

Later, Pel
 
Gremlin said:
Hello Frank,

Happy 4th! I am sorry if you have that impression. I would have advised Charlie to ask "Quick Clean" for nothing. They have no cash, there product causes cancer, rot's the cloth and is way over priced. My Brunswick Table Mechanic told me never to use it. So I don't! Maybe Charlie expected something? As far as I know "Quick Clean" doesn't even have cab fare.

I hope when you run into Charlie in future he will change your mind to a positive view.

Cheers,

Gremlin
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Attacks on Quick-Clean have little effect on me, as I no longer work for them. Your mechanic is wrong, but I will not bother the board with a big argument. I stated facts and an opinion based on facts. You try to change the subject by attacking something that had no bearing on the original theme. This just shows your true nature. We weren't debating clean tables or the health of the cloth. We were talking about CW and I related my opinion based on a meeting. Not some hearsay or opinion based on hearsay (like your reply). I have no more to say to you, now or in the future. Good By
 
Gremlin said:
Hello Frank,

Happy 4th! I am sorry if you have that impression. I would have advised Charlie to ask "Quick Clean" for nothing. They have no cash, there product causes cancer, rot's the cloth and is way over priced. My Brunswick Table Mechanic told me never to use it. So I don't! Maybe Charlie expected something? As far as I know "Quick Clean" doesn't even have cab fare.

I hope when you run into Charlie in future he will change your mind to a positive view.
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I usually stay away from these kinds of threads, but it saddens me to read something that just isn't so. I've been seeing Quick Clean at most of the bigger tournaments. Last Open when I found my shaft stripped, this kind man who owns Quick Clean went out of his way to try to help me, offering to give me one of his cue sticks that he made by hand. He sponsors Ralph Souquet and helps other struggling pool players like myself.

Players like to play on clean tables, especially at those bigger tournaments. This guy makes sure that happens between matches. We need more people like him. It's these kind of folks who make my pool world special.
 
Gremlin said:
Hello Frank,
Happy 4th! I am sorry if you have that impression. I would have advised Charlie to ask "Quick Clean" for nothing. They have no cash, there product causes cancer, rot's the cloth and is way over priced. My Brunswick Table Mechanic told me never to use it. So I don't! Maybe Charlie expected something? As far as I know "Quick Clean" doesn't even have cab fare.
I hope when you run into Charlie in future he will change your mind to a positive view.
Cheers,Gremlin
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I've been using it on my table for about 3 years now, and it works great! The cloth looks and plays almost new. I also use it on the Irish linen wraps on my cues. Works great for that also. How long does your Brunswick table mechanic say it takes to cause cancer? Just curious about how long I might have left.
 
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I gave the UPA my 100 bucks last year. Havent heard a word since.

- BilliardsBeast
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That is true, the same thing here. I have paid a hundred and signed a year contract as a UPA touring pro. Through almost whole year since than I've only recived 1(ONE shit of paper) flayer with schedule of 5 or 6 upa events. Thats is, no updates, no info, no nothing. Just wonder what did I pay for?

BTW

THEY told me, that if THEY decide to boycott the US Open than the UPA players won't be able to participate in it :confused: I mean what is this crap?
 
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Gremlin said:
Frank_glenn,

I am relating what I Know and was told about the product. Quick clean has no effect on me either nor does your attack on me. I reject your typed statement that "My mechanic is wrong" as he has 40 years in the pool business behind him. The inability to give a cash donation may in part be the reason for Charlies poor attitude.

I expressed my openion based on the facts I know and was told about the product. The origional question was how did Frank and Steve get invitations to the WPC? Every time someone types about the UPA in this forum it turns into a slam Charlie routine. I have no more to type to you or anyone else on the subject of the UPA.

Gremlin
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When did Frank attack you Harry?

And your opinion re Quickclean is irrelevant, unless Charlie was rude to Frank because he dislikes the product. Is that what happened Harry?

-Roger
 
BAZARUS said:
I have paid a hundred and signed a year contract as a UPA touring pro. Through almost whole year since than I've only recived 1(ONE shit of paper) flayer with schedule of 5 or 6 upa events. Thats is, no updates, no info, no nothing. Just wonder what did I pay for?
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THEY told me, that if THEY decide to boycott the US Open than the UPA players won't be able to participate in it :confused: I mean what is this crap?
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Bazarus, that is very sad. The U.S. Open has been in existence for many years as a main event. Other than scheduling a tournament at the same time as the Open, there isn't too much the UPA can do to thwart its success. To ask its members not to particiate in the form of a boycott of a major tournament such as the Open seems harsh.

If this is the case and you want to compete in the Open and continue to be a UPA touring pro and receive all of the associated benefits of being a UPA member :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:, it is imperative that you request permission from them to obtain a waiver. You've got until August 12th to do so, as the Open begins September 6, 2004.

Look at it this way, you can apply that $100 you would be paying for membership towards the $500 entry fee for the Open, like a 20-percent discount. If you weren't one of the "invited" ones to go to the BCA Open, this UPA season isn't going to benefit you anyway as far as ranking points.

ManlyShot
 
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