Can we talk about Dale Perry cues?

NathanDetroit

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Not eBay stuff. The "good stuff".

Everyone knows the argument that he hurt the value of the older cues when began mass producing the LOA 1/1 cues.

That was then.

Anyone else got one they are proud of?
 
I have owned a pre e bay 1999 DP cue and an e bay era DP cue. The first one was a real nice player and excellent construction. The e bay era cue was surprisingly well made and played very well too- I only paid $125 or so for it back in about 2010. it was a real nice looking cue and it would command about $400 today as the bay era cues went up with inflation. My 1999 DP only sold for about $400 as well and it had ivory rings and a true Cortland linen wrap - Zebra wood and it was in A 1 condition.

I look at it as he did what he had to do to sell cues, I hold nothing against the man. He was an honest e bay seller, some liked those cues and some did not- Mine was a true bargain at the time and would be today at $400 as per the way it looked and played. Too bad his pre bay cues suffered in price - they were excellent cues.
 
Everyone knows the argument that he hurt the value of the older cues when began mass producing the LOA 1/1 cues.

That was then.

Anyone else got one they are proud of?

For those who don't know the argument that Dale Perry hurt the value of his older cues when he began mass producing ...... See February thread at https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/dale-perry-quesy.572880/#post-8057280 and comments from that below

It doesn't matter. It's perception. DP lost all the value of his earlier high dollar cues because of what he chose to do. If you flood the market with tons of a product, the value goes down. When he did it, realizing that he could make more money by making and selling a higher volume at a lower price, he drove the prices down to where he could no longer get the 3-400 bucks per cue that made his business model functional. So in order to make up for it, he had to make more cues. That's when the quality dipped way beyond acceptibility. I had and played for several years with one of his cues right after he changed his model. It was a great cue. Within a year of that, there were massive deficiencies and it just drove down the value of all of his cues.

Any product is worth what people are willing to pay for them. Unfortunately, DP did screw over all of the previous customers and the older cues value dipped with the rest of them. You don't have to go by what I say. Feel free to pay a grand or more for one of his cues. I remember seeing a couple of his cues in the mid nineties at spa and billiard stores for $2200.00 and thinking I'd like to get one of those. I got one and was lucky to get close to what I paid for it just before everything hit the fan.

Jaden

I have to disagree with these two points. I bought one of the late DP eBay cues (about a year before he stopped selling them) and it is my favorite playing cue, replacing a mid to upper level Pechauer. In the approximately 4 years I've had it the only flaws that I've noticed are a slight raising of the finish at one of the rings and a very slight shaft warp when the air is really dry during a Wisconsin cold snap. This is in-spite of my keeping the cue in my car 365 days a year since I bought it. I'd say that's excellent performance for a cue that I paid $180 plus $20 shipping for.

As far as screwing over his early buyers, in order for a screwing to take place in this context, there has to be an intentional screwer and an unwilling screwee. There is no evidence that Perry intended to screw anybody with his change in business practices. His early buyers got well made, great playing cues for a price that was acceptable to them. Those that were buying them to play with or collect for aesthetic enjoyment certainly were not screwed by his later change in business model because the cues still looked and played fine.

I do agree that those that bought the pre-eBay cues to flip or hold for investment lost out when they dropped in value. However, that's the nature of speculative investing (or gambling) - sometimes you win and sometimes you lose due to unforeseen conditions or events. Saying Dale Perry screwed these investors is similar to saying that a football coach who runs the clock out although well within field goal range when ahead by 2 but favored by 3 is screwing those who bet on his team. The bettors that laid the points lose out, but the coach's choice was strictly a business decision that had nothing to do with them. The bettors may feel screwed, but in reality they were not. The coach has no obligation to them, and in fact would be making an illogical decision if he included their interests in his reasoning.

Regarding getting $225 Dale Perry cues on eBay today?
Having said that, I still recommend folks looking for a cheap cue (sub $225) buy them as APA league night bangers.
Aren't any on eBay now (ignore the $217 Dufferin):

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Regarding getting $225 Dale Perry cues on eBay today?
If you review the "sold" items on Bay the DP cues run typically from $300 to $700 actual selling price.

I should have bought one or two when you could grab them for $115 each.

That said, I am not looking for one now but would take one if it fell in my lap.
 
I bought one from him for about $140 just to test them out and it was worth the money.

The shaft wood wasn't the best I have had, but the butt was really nice and the cue felt well balanced.

It was the only radial-joint cue I had at the time and I have a ton of other cues so I didn't buy another shaft to try out on the cue.

I sold the cue for exactly what I paid for it and the buyer was happy.
 
No, it's still now.

Dude destroyed his name; collectors won't touch'em.

Pride goeth before the fall... And boy howdy did DP fall.

Having said that, I still recommend folks looking for a cheap cue (sub $225) buy them as APA league night bangers.

I'll give you $200 for yours!
This reads like... "They suck, wanna sell yours?"
 
The plain truth is that anyone who owned a nice looking DP E Bay cue and sold it in excellent condition prior to 2021 probably wishes that they still had that cue as they most likely paid only about $125 or so for a cue that sells for $350 to $450 today and it played very well at either price point!
 
I have two of his Ebay cues and one earlier custom. The main difference is the quality of the inlay work and sharpness of details.
There has been a debate within our circles about whether he should be put into one of the Cuemakers Hall of Fames. Those in favor site the fact he has built many more cues than almost all the other customer cuemakers that are in. The negative side says he had some bad business practices that gave him a bad name among some. But I once asked him if he regretted going ebay route and he just said "I am still here and still getting the same paycheck as before." He was no longer going to be able to make a full time living at the rate his high end cues were selling through dealers for. So he made lower end cues with simple big radius inlays and let the market decide what they would sell for on ebay. It was great for the players and bad for his older dealers. So if the public were able to vote him in would they or would they not?
 
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Not eBay stuff. The "good stuff".

Everyone knows the argument that he hurt the value of the older cues when began mass producing the LOA 1/1 cues.

That was then.

Anyone else got one they are proud of?
Dale Perry made fantastic cues that played really good! He did change his business model to a more mass produced, affordable cue - but a lot of players were able to buy a fine cue at a solid price. If I were smarter I would grabbed a few off of ebay when I had a chance.
 
I know a guy that bought a couple pre-bay DP's. When Dale started spitting them out like M-n-M's he was not happy to say the least. He couldn't get half of what they were worth after that. That being said i've had a couple ebay DP's and Duane R. has had a bunch of them and all played great.Couldn't beat them for the prices then.
 
I just looked on ebay. WOW. The prices they're asking now is insane. i see one just like one i got for 150ish going for 750. Surely no suckers are buying them at these prices.
 
Anyone have any pictures of his early, custom cues? The only ones I’ve ever seen are the ones on eBay.
 
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