Can you use follow on a jump shot?

[SloMoHolic]

Nice stuff, SloMo - thanks!

Any chance of seeing a still sideview of tip/CB contact?

pj
chgo

Thanks PJ!

I wanted to see the same thing. lol

Unfortunately, for these videos, I only brought one slomo camera and used my DSLR for the side view. Although it shoots 60 fps, all the side views I could grab were blurry enough that they were basically uninterpretable around the moment of impact. Next time I go out to film, I'll have both slomo cams, so I can get some clear shots on the primary angle as well as the side view.

Stay tuned...

-Blake

 

[Neil]

Hopefully, that video will put that issue to rest. Thanks for doing it SloMo.:thumbup:

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Thanks PJ!

I wanted to see the same thing. lol

Unfortunately, for these videos, I only brought one slomo camera and used my DSLR for the side view. Although it shoots 60 fps, all the side views I could grab were blurry enough that they were basically uninterpretable around the moment of impact. Next time I go out to film, I'll have both slomo cams, so I can get some clear shots on the primary angle as well as the side view.

Stay tuned...

-Blake

By the way, the PIP with simultaneous side and front views is the bomb.

pj
chgo

 

[SloMoHolic]

By the way, the PIP with simultaneous side and front views is the bomb.



pj

chgo

Glad you liked it. It took a while to get everything synced up, but I think it was worth the wait.

Not to go too far off topic, but I did make one 3D (stereoscopic) SloMo pool video using my two cameras simultaneously, mounted eye-width apart... You seem like the kind of guy that would dig that. If you don't find it on my YouTube channel, shoot me a PM and I'll send back a link...

That one has some jumps in it too (now we're back on topic!)...

Thanks again, PJ, it means a lot coming from you.

-Blake

 

[SloMoHolic]

Just for kicks, here's a time lapse of me trying to shoot the jump-follow video while also trying to learn this shot, and simultaneously running two cameras (and trying to keep them in sync), an audio recorder, two sets of finicky high-frequency halogen lights, and also shooting the actual jump shots. lol

It's pretty funny now that I look back on it. But hey, I finally got it down and added it to my arsenal.

https://youtu.be/YMb1CXF_iL0



-Blake

 

[Bob Jewett]

Finally got done syncing and processing the video clips.

Here is the final product:
https://youtu.be/HolPLrqvqhI

I hope this video is informative and educational (and a little bit beautiful).

Can you use follow on a jump shot? Yes. Yes, you can!

Thanks again for this discussion. I've really enjoyed it!

-Blake

Great video. I like the ones where you used the side rail to move the cue ball to the side.

 

[Bambu]

I have always thought of this as the entire vertical axis shifting upwards. Great thread here, thanks you guys.

 

[SloMoHolic]

Great video. I like the ones where you used the side rail to move the cue ball to the side.

On purpose, of course!

Thanks!

 

[ignomirello]

Wow

Just for kicks, here's a time lapse of me trying to shoot the jump-follow video while also trying to learn this shot, and simultaneously running two cameras (and trying to keep them in sync), an audio recorder, two sets of finicky high-frequency halogen lights, and also shooting the actual jump shots. lol

It's pretty funny now that I look back on it. But hey, I finally got it down and added it to my arsenal.

https://youtu.be/YMb1CXF_iL0



-Blake

WOW never thought it was possible Thanks for the Video

 

[Highmiles]

Amazing video. Thank you so much!

 

[Cornerman]

I find it difficult to avoid draw, and it seems to me impossible to put topspin on a cue ball you're jumping.

Obviously if you jump and then it rolls for a while before striking the object ball, it develops forward roll. But what if the hit is fairly quick after the jump? Is follow - or even just stop - possible? Or are you always backspinning the CB?

Just saw this thread, so sorry for not reading all the way through. Yes, very possible.


Demonstrations were being done at the SBE of full ball jump shots (maybe 5" away) with a three rail follow. Quite easy with the right equipment.

Freddie <~~~ nothing is easy in my hands

 

[dr_dave]

I find it difficult to avoid draw, and it seems to me impossible to put topspin on a cue ball you're jumping.

Obviously if you jump and then it rolls for a while before striking the object ball, it develops forward roll. But what if the hit is fairly quick after the jump? Is follow - or even just stop - possible? Or are you always backspinning the CB?

FYI, Jeremiah Gage and I I just finished an online video that might be of interest to the people in this thread. Here it is:

NV F.3 - Pool stun/draw/follow jump shots at various cue elevations, with smartphone slo-mo

It demonstrates and describes how to film slow-motion video of pool shots with a smart phone (iPhone 6), and it uses the technique to look at how to get stop, draw, and follow with jump shots at various cue elevations.

Check it out,
Dave

 

[Patrick Johnson]

FYI, Jeremiah Gage and I I just finished an online video that might be of interest to the people in this thread. Here it is:

NV F.3 - Pool stun/draw/follow jump shots at various cue elevations, with smartphone slo-mo

It demonstrates and describes how to film slow-motion video of pool shots with a smart phone (iPhone 6), and it uses the technique to look at how to get stop, draw, and follow with jump shots at various cue elevations.

Check it out,
Dave

Great stuff as usual, Dave. What have we done to deserve you?

pj
chgo

 

[dr_dave]

Great stuff as usual, Dave. We have we done to deserve you?

I aim to squerve. :grin-square:

I'm glad you liked it. I hope others do also.

Catch you later,
Dave

 

[Bob Jewett]

FYI, Jeremiah Gage and I I just finished an online video that might be of interest to the people in this thread. Here it is:

NV F.3 - Pool stun/draw/follow jump shots at various cue elevations, with smartphone slo-mo ...

It's surprising how much spin the table cloth takes/adds immediately just after the ball leaves the tip. Or maybe the ball is still on the tip for some of that.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

It's surprising how much spin the table cloth takes/adds immediately just after the ball leaves the tip. Or maybe the ball is still on the tip for some of that.

How about the follow that's added even with a below-center hit?

pj
chgo

 

[alstl]

I think so. You can jack up quite a bit and still hit through the CB above its "internal" center - but you risk trapping the CB under the tip if you try too steep a jump this way.

I find draw to be pretty easy.

pj
chgo

If you hit the front of the cue ball wouldn't it jump backward?

 

[Patrick Johnson]

If you hit the front of the cue ball wouldn't it jump backward?

"Above center" is when the cue is pointed above the "3D center" ("interior center") of the cue ball. You can do that with anything but a completely vertical cue and not hit the front of the cue ball.

pj
chgo

 

[dr_dave]

FYI, Jeremiah Gage and I I just finished an online video that might be of interest to the people in this thread. Here it is:

NV F.3 - Pool stun/draw/follow jump shots at various cue elevations, with smartphone slo-mo

It demonstrates and describes how to film slow-motion video of pool shots with a smart phone (iPhone 6), and it uses the technique to look at how to get stop, draw, and follow with jump shots at various cue elevations.

Check it out,
Dave

It's surprising how much spin the table cloth takes/adds immediately just after the ball leaves the tip.

I was also a little surprised by the large effect the first bounce off the table has on CB spin (especially with the high-elevation follow example where a below-center hit created immediate topspin, as PJ pointed out). This effect would obviously be less on a slicker cloth (e.g., Simonis) and more pronounced on a stickier cloth.

Or maybe the ball is still on the tip for some of that.

This is definitely the case with highly-elevated jump shots; but at moderate elevations the tip doesn't interact with the CB as the CB bounces off the table, per the following video with 3000 FPS super slow motion:

HSV B.44 - Cloth compression and cue ball trajectory for draw shots of various elevations

Regards,
Dave

 

[dr_dave]

"Above center" is when the cue is pointed above the "3D center" ("interior center") of the cue ball. You can do that with anything but a completely vertical cue and not hit the front of the cue ball.

pj
chgo

The video clearly illustrates what "above-center" and "below-center" mean when the cue is elevated. It seems some people have misconceptions about this. The following illustration from "Draw Shot Physics - Part IV: cue elevation effects" (BD, July, 2009) might also be helpful:

Regards,
Dave