I have read and reread how eliminating weight at the tip helps with deflection, so with the strength of steel and super lightweight why not use carbon Fiber Ferrules?
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Seen one in white lately?
It would not be significantly lighter than say a short Saber T with a 5/16 hole.
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I've got a "shop safety" reminder on the pegboard above my workbench. It's an "Hoffman external fixator" that I wore for a couple months when I shattered my wrist in a ladder accident. The shaft is about a 10 inch long piece of carbon fiber tube, probably 1/2-9/16 inch OD and 5/16-3/8 ID. I'll take it apart, measure and weigh it over the weekend. It's gotta be lighter than any normal ferrule material, and probably much stronger, but it still seems like splitting hairs. Is the front end of a Predator / OB shaft really significantly lighter than a standard shaft? I've never had one, so I haven't any idea. I could probably live with a dark gray ferrule if it improves my sorry-ass game.
with all the "High Tech" cues supposedly have these days, I was just wondering WHY NOT?
I could probably live with a dark gray ferrule if it improves my sorry-ass game.
lol, wouldnt that be great? Im just trying to ward off the Implant trend thats comming! TRUE LAZER VISION...hahaaha
I could probably live with a dark gray ferrule if it improves my sorry-ass game.
lol, wouldnt that be great? Im just trying to ward off the Implant trend thats comming! TRUE LAZER VISION...hahaaha
Sheldon is absolutely correct in that there are no short-cuts to improving your game. Just practice, practice, practice. You've got to put in the time. One should consider the numbers associated with the performance shafts though. If a shaft has say, 25% less deflection, that means that the amount of compensation for the deflection is reduced by 25%, or, you are 25% more likely to hit the exact spot on the object ball. Since at this time there is no such thing as zero deflection, any movement in that direction has to be considered an improvement. The gains are small but again, 'every little bit helps'.
I think deflection properties of your cue play a major part of your game, if your a "player". There can be so much "cue ball" squirt they were hard to play with. There is a happy medium of shaft deflection and trying to obtain less squirt. Squirt can come from different sources. Shafts, tapers, ferrules or tips can alter the way a cue plays. I don't like some of the laminated shafts due to inconsistant reaction on the cue ball. Thats just me. some players swear by them, some dont. I disagree that it is all about end of shaft weight. That can play apart of course, but not all squirt issues are solved with light end shafts or ferrules.
Oh, this is not about me?..lol
Deflection is how much the shaft pushes the cue ball off line when struck outside of center. Right... Deflection is mainly in part of how stiff the shaft is. Stiffer the sahft = more squirt. Find a hose like a Meucci and change the ferrule to say lbm. Not much of a difference in deflection but definite dif. in the hit and feel. There is no scientific explanation behind this just IMO.
Oh, this is not about me?..lol Im playing just fine... Im just wondering why Carbon fiber is not being used, its properties has a use IMHO in cue making, for those who want "HIGH TECH" there are always going to be players who prefere the traditional cue, you cant deny with the success of laminated shafts that the High Tech has appeal.
I look at it from a racers point of view, we want our race cars superlight, and even if there is a weight limmit I want the advantage to be able to add or remove weight where I want it. BY using light weight materials, if indeed removing weight from the tip helps, do it, I say exploit all oportunities/possibilities.. Surely someone is willing to take a step towards the future?
Why? a cue is not a peice of furniture for some players, it is a tool, and like all tools we should inovate and invent. I dont have the equipment to make cues, nor the know how. Will it improve somones game? Maybe, maybe not, you can give a player confidence, right there, is enough to improve ones game.
Im off to glue a tip onto a peice of PVC to truely understand what Whippy really means...lol
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I look at it from a racers point of view, we want our race cars superlight, and even if there is a weight limmit I want the advantage to be able to add or remove weight where I want it. BY using light weight materials, if indeed removing weight from the tip helps, do it, I say exploit all oportunities/possibilities.. Surely someone is willing to take a step towards the future?
Why? a cue is not a peice of furniture for some players, it is a tool, and like all tools we should inovate and invent. I dont have the equipment to make cues, nor the know how. Will it improve somones game? Maybe, maybe not, you can give a player confidence, right there, is enough to improve ones game.
Im off to glue a tip onto a peice of PVC to truely understand what Whippy really means...lol
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I have been making and playing with them for a while now. I used this material because it works well to make a solid tenon ferrule for reducing a z or OB shaft to 10mm for playing snooker. I have made capped, solid and non capped. The rod is expensive but the hit is really nice. I currently play with the OB1 10mm and this so far has given the best feel.
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i think this convo goes somewhat in line with another.
same outcome
remember the thread about g-10 tips vs phenolic.
phen jumps great
well this ends the same
i think were are at about as good of a place as we can be.. equiptment wise...
now its time to play you heart out...
same outcome
remember the thread about g-10 tips vs phenolic.
phen jumps great
well this ends the same
i think were are at about as good of a place as we can be.. equiptment wise...
now its time to play you heart out...
99 times out of 99.5 times it's the indian not the arrow.........
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isn't the tip pad on a stock ob1 shaft carbon fiber?
isn't the tip pad on a stock ob1 shaft carbon fiber?
BarenbruggeCues said:
I think Carbon Fiber is Kinda cool, very strong, and super lightweight, Im not sure how it machines, or if its prone to crack but Id think It would last a lifetime serving as a ferrule..
I also agree, its the arrow, but look..they went from wood to alum, and are now made of ? Carbon Fiber. See even the indians use High tech equipment.
No it proboly wont make you shoot better, same with the Predator shafts, Tiger, and OB-1, they do help with deflection, I just think a laminated shaft combined with a super lightweight and super strong Ferrule would be "Better" the best material imo would be carbon fiber, obviously you can get it in any color, highly scuff resistant, and albeit the hit would be awsome.
I wouldnt want a super long carbon fiber ferrule, Id say 1/2" or less. I personaly think the look would be really cool.
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I don't know what the answer is to shaft deflection and cue ball squirt. Maybe some of the great cue makers here can explain it to me. I am just starting to learn this art. But as a player of over 40 years, if we all knew the secret every cue a cuesmith turned out would play the same. I don't think thats the case. I have bought many cues and played with hundreds in my life and some play great and some do not, even from the same cuemaker. When I've mentioned the fact to the cuemaker the standard answer is "Well you will need to adjust your play to the cue". True to a point, but I've had some that where so inconsistant in the way they played, no one who tried it could play with it. And if its all about end mass, why do I have several 14mm shafted cues that have so little Cueball squirt its like the cue ball is on rails and others are squirting the ball too much, same for many 13mm shaft cues I have, Some have more squirt some don't. I'm so confused??
