Carolina Custom Cue - worth $1350?

I have had 2 of them sold 1 and have 3 more coming in today. They are a fantastic cue for the money. I have had a lot of interest for them since I took them on as a line of cues. The customer that purchased one from me was very very happy with the quality and price. I will have 4 to offer after this weekend if anybody is interestred in seeing them before I post to my site let me know.
 
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dave sutton said:
ivr had very very fancy jerrys none 8 points but i havent spent $1100. he is the best for the money. hands down. he is prob in the same ballpark for that cue. much rather have it fro m jerry then cc. imo

ps if we are talking about the very first cue in this thread i think i can deff get that for the $1350 out of jerry prob $1100 too. real close


-R- WOULD WANT 1500 TO BUILD THAT CUE. I SENT HIM PICS OF THE CAROLINA, AND ASKED HOW MUCH WITH 2 SHAFTS WITH NON IVORY FERRULES. SO THE CAROLINA IS 400 CHEAPER. AND YOU AND I BOTH KNOW THAT JERRY IS THE BEST DEAL IN THE CUSTOM BUSINESS.
 
8-ball Rat said:
FWIW - I just swapped a few e-mails with Trevor at Carolina Customs....and I now have my order placed.

I can say that he's been really fantastic to deal with.....and he appreciates the kind words folks have had to say about CC cues, as a whole.

And in my personal experience, anytime you can choose your own wood combos, joint and pin, collars, veneers, inlay material and design, wrap, balance point, weight, length, and tip diameter...all before the cue construction begins...that means you're buying a custom cue.

Whether or not they have "catalog" or previously produced cues available through their own sales or some dealers....they ALSO make custom cues. I know I just ordered one that's about as custom as they get....for the very reasons mentioned above.


I just got off the phone with Trevor Donahue...and I must say...that was one of the most relaxed, pleasant coversations I've ever had with anyone...much less a cue builder. He took the time on the phone to go over some ideas for a cue...sent me pictures via email on some stuff he's been working on... Just a real delight to speak with. I'm in the middle of putting an order together with him...and if that turns out well...I can assure you there will be many more. This is the kinda person I like doing business with...at any price.
 
.....for what it's worth, comparable work by Gilbert now would be over $2000 for a full veneered 8-prong.
 
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
I SHOULD HAVE ALSO MENTIONED AMERICAN MADE, WHEN I MADE MY STATEMENT.

I'M NOT INTERESTED IN BUYING CUES THAT COME FROM OVERSEAS. NO MATTER HOW WELL THEY ARE PUT TOGETHER.


I would just like to say that I met Mr. Funk (best name ever) from Eurowest, in Frankfurt, at the Hopkins show and I have a great deal of respect for their work. Their finish was beautiful. He was also cool to talk to.

Also, Arthur cues are overseas. Anyone ever seen the Icarus cue that I think is still currently residing with Cornerstone?

Sorry, I just had to say it. I know we were talking more about the cheap asian imports. I just wanted to give these Europeans the respect they deserve. I realize that is neither here nor there.

Michael
MHancock@Carolinacues.com
 
MSM721 said:
I would just like to say that I met Mr. Funk (best name ever) from Eurowest, in Frankfurt, at the Hopkins show and I have a great deal of respect for their work. Their finish was beautiful. He was also cool to talk to.

Also, Arthur cues are overseas. Anyone ever seen the Icarus cue that I think is still currently residing with Cornerstone?

Sorry, I just had to say it. I know we were talking more about the cheap asian imports. I just wanted to give these Europeans the respect they deserve. I realize that is neither here nor there.

Michael
MHancock@Carolinacues.com

MICHAEL,
NO DISRESPECT TO THOSE CUEMAKERS, I WOULDN'T BUY THOSE EITHER. I LIKE AMERICAN MADE CUES, AND I HATE ROUNDED INLAYS.
 
MSM721 said:
I would just like to say that I met Mr. Funk (best name ever) from Eurowest, in Frankfurt, at the Hopkins show and I have a great deal of respect for their work. Their finish was beautiful. He was also cool to talk to.

Also, Arthur cues are overseas. Anyone ever seen the Icarus cue that I think is still currently residing with Cornerstone?

Sorry, I just had to say it. I know we were talking more about the cheap asian imports. I just wanted to give these Europeans the respect they deserve. I realize that is neither here nor there.

Michael
MHancock@Carolinacues.com

For the record...that Arthur cue on cornerstone...is absolutely sick.
 
MSM721 said:
I would just like to say that I met Mr. Funk (best name ever) from Eurowest, in Frankfurt, at the Hopkins show and I have a great deal of respect for their work. Their finish was beautiful. He was also cool to talk to.

Also, Arthur cues are overseas. Anyone ever seen the Icarus cue that I think is still currently residing with Cornerstone?

Sorry, I just had to say it. I know we were talking more about the cheap asian imports. I just wanted to give these Europeans the respect they deserve. I realize that is neither here nor there.

Michael
MHancock@Carolinacues.com

Yes, we are talking about more than cheap, badly made cues. My point is that quality can come from anywhere.

Would Bill Stroud be any less of a cuemaker if his cues were made in Taiwan? Exactly the same? Would he be any less of a person?

I love cues and cuemakers. I love well made products and abhor badly made/designed ones. All I ask others to do is to judge the products solely on their merits. If a cue is done badly then say why it's done badly. Don't say it's a bad cue JUST BECAUSE it comes from another country.

Before I die I like to see world peace and prosperity and after that a proper guide to what makes a good cue that is readily understandable and acceptable to all.

I think world peace will happen first. :-)
 
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FAST_N_LOOSE said:
MICHAEL,
NO DISRESPECT TO THOSE CUEMAKERS, I WOULDN'T BUY THOSE EITHER. I LIKE AMERICAN MADE CUES, AND I HATE ROUNDED INLAYS.

Just two questions and I'll leave you alone, promise.

1. Is an American made cue a cue that is made by an American or one that is made on United States soil?

2. If a foreign cuemaker were to set up a shop in the USA would their cue be American made?

Thanks
 
John Barton said:
Just two questions and I'll leave you alone, promise.

1. Is an American made cue a cue that is made by an American or one that is made on United States soil?

2. If a foreign cuemaker were to set up a shop in the USA would their cue be American made?

Thanks
I'll bite on this one !!
1. Is an American made cue a cue that is made by an American or one that is made on United States soil?
Yes. It's made with U.S. moneys spent on wood, metal, machines and labor.
Adams cues were setup and made in japan by American Richard Helmstetter. There considered imports
2. If a foreign cuemaker were to set up a shop in the USA would their cue be American made?
Yes. One of the most famous makers in cues Is Gregory Balabushka (pronounced grigory) russian immigrant .
Bill
 
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John Barton said:
Just two questions and I'll leave you alone, promise.

1. Is an American made cue a cue that is made by an American or one that is made on United States soil?

2. If a foreign cuemaker were to set up a shop in the USA would their cue be American made?

Thanks

1. Made on American soil. I think I know where you are going with this....yes, it's a world economy now, but the the majority materials/supplies/overhead would be bought and paid for here and where the the majority of the resulting profits are spent on goods and services here...in our country's economy.

2. Yes....absolutely. (example = Tad)
 
cueaddicts said:
1. Made on American soil. I think I know where you are going with this....yes, it's a world economy now, but the the majority materials/supplies/overhead would be bought and paid for here and where the the majority of the resulting profits are spent on goods and services here...in our country's economy.

2. Yes....absolutely. (example = Tad)


Wow I just love how thatis going .more i need more ..:)

I just picked a cc the other day.A guy had one i hit some balls with and asked would he like to sale it .And he stated that he had another that was for sale. So i got it for a real good price.
So now i can be the judge on how much would i really pay for a new one.

I feel that this was a very good thing .And i will give my 2cents on the "cc cue company..."

Thanks to all that shared there felling about the cue...
 
John Barton said:
Just two questions and I'll leave you alone, promise.

1. Is an American made cue a cue that is made by an American or one that is made on United States soil?

2. If a foreign cuemaker were to set up a shop in the USA would their cue be American made?

Thanks

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU LEAVE ME ALONE OR NOT, I LIKE GOOD COVERSATION/DISCUSSION

1 MADE ON AMERICAN SOIL. WHY SHOULD I SUPPORT AN OVERSEAS COMPANY, WHEN THERE ARE CUEMAKERS HERE? I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE CAPABLE OF GETTING GREAT CUES FROM THE OFFSHORE MANUFACTURERS, BUT I AM NOT INTERESTED.

I HAVE AN ELECTRONICS(CAR AUDIO) SHOP, AND I ALSO FOCUS ON AMERICAN BUILT ELECTRONICS. WHEN I CAN OF COURSE, THERE ARE SOME THINGS IN THAT FIELD, THAT JUST AREN'T MADE IN THE STATES. I WILL PAY 20-30% MORE FOR AN AMERICAN MADE PRODUCT. IT'S JUST SOMETHING I LEARNED AT A YOUNG AGE, AND HAS STUCK WITH ME. I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU MAKE A LIVING SELLING OFFSHORE CUES, BUT I HAVE NO INTREST IN THEM FOR MYSELF.

2 I WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM BUYING CUES FROM A CUEMAKER THAT CAME TO THIS COUNTRY, BECAME A CITIZEN, AND PAYED TAXES. I WOULD NOT BUY CUES COMING OUT OF A SHOP WHERE THERE WAS 10 ILLEGAL ALIENS BUILDING THE CUES.


I DON'T WANT THIS TO TURN INTO A PATRIOTIC ARGUMENT, BUT I FEEL THAT'S WHERE IT IS GOING. I PREFER TO BUY AMERICAN, AND YOU DON'T. WE ALL HAVE OUR OWN DIFFERENT OUTLOOK ON THINGS.
 
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
-R- WOULD WANT 1500 TO BUILD THAT CUE. I SENT HIM PICS OF THE CAROLINA, AND ASKED HOW MUCH WITH 2 SHAFTS WITH NON IVORY FERRULES. SO THE CAROLINA IS 400 CHEAPER. AND YOU AND I BOTH KNOW THAT JERRY IS THE BEST DEAL IN THE CUSTOM BUSINESS.

yes i am basing the on my cues he has made for me. maybe my prices are a little cheaper than most peoples. he had made me way fancier cues than that for half of that. i cant see 4 extra points costing me 700$
 
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
-R- WOULD WANT 1500 TO BUILD THAT CUE. I SENT HIM PICS OF THE CAROLINA, AND ASKED HOW MUCH WITH 2 SHAFTS WITH NON IVORY FERRULES. SO THE CAROLINA IS 400 CHEAPER. AND YOU AND I BOTH KNOW THAT JERRY IS THE BEST DEAL IN THE CUSTOM BUSINESS.

yes i am basing the on my cues he has made for me. maybe my prices are a little cheaper than most peoples. he had made me way fancier cues than that for half of that. i cant see 4 extra points costing me 700$
 
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU LEAVE ME ALONE OR NOT, I LIKE GOOD COVERSATION/DISCUSSION

1 MADE ON AMERICAN SOIL. WHY SHOULD I SUPPORT AN OVERSEAS COMPANY, WHEN THERE ARE CUEMAKERS HERE? I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE CAPABLE OF GETTING GREAT CUES FROM THE OFFSHORE MANUFACTURERS, BUT I AM NOT INTERESTED.

I HAVE AN ELECTRONICS(CAR AUDIO) SHOP, AND I ALSO FOCUS ON AMERICAN BUILT ELECTRONICS. WHEN I CAN OF COURSE, THERE ARE SOME THINGS IN THAT FIELD, THAT JUST AREN'T MADE IN THE STATES. I WILL PAY 20-30% MORE FOR AN AMERICAN MADE PRODUCT. IT'S JUST SOMETHING I LEARNED AT A YOUNG AGE, AND HAS STUCK WITH ME. I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU MAKE A LIVING SELLING OFFSHORE CUES, BUT I HAVE NO INTREST IN THEM FOR MYSELF.

2 I WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM BUYING CUES FROM A CUEMAKER THAT CAME TO THIS COUNTRY, BECAME A CITIZEN, AND PAYED TAXES. I WOULD NOT BUY CUES COMING OUT OF A SHOP WHERE THERE WAS 10 ILLEGAL ALIENS BUILDING THE CUES.


I DON'T WANT THIS TO TURN INTO A PATRIOTIC ARGUMENT, BUT I FEEL THAT'S WHERE IT IS GOING. I PREFER TO BUY AMERICAN, AND YOU DON'T. WE ALL HAVE OUR OWN DIFFERENT OUTLOOK ON THINGS.

Fair enough. So often it is a case of blind patriotism. I feel like you should support the makers and products that suit you best. I personally would feel much better about getting a relatively plain Mark Smith cue from Mark than a fancy Fury from a store. And I sell Fury cues. That doesn't mean I think that all Mark Smith cues are better than all Fury cues.

And honestly, you aren't going to find many cuemakers overseas who are doing the type of work that collectors and hard core hit fanatics are looking for. But they are there.

You are going to find it with solid consistency from the manaufacturers either. Not the ones in the USA and not the ones overseas. You will find a damn good average on quality and hit.

The bottom line is that it's really hard to buy a bad cue these days. More of a challenge to buy a great one.

I appreciate a different outlook. I don't appreciate bigotry or racism and that's what I challenge. What I learned from a young age was diversity having lived among people of all races and having lived all over the world.

So I knew you meant American made when you posted your challenge.

By the way, I suggest you talk to Mark Smith of www.marksmithcues.com and see if he can't do your pointed/veneer cue for $1100. He learned some from Ron Haley so you might be well surprised at what you get for the money.

John Barton - Marco Polo of cues and cases.
 
John Barton said:
Fair enough. So often it is a case of blind patriotism. I feel like you should support the makers and products that suit you best. I personally would feel much better about getting a relatively plain Mark Smith cue from Mark than a fancy Fury from a store. And I sell Fury cues. That doesn't mean I think that all Mark Smith cues are better than all Fury cues.

And honestly, you aren't going to find many cuemakers overseas who are doing the type of work that collectors and hard core hit fanatics are looking for. But they are there.

You are going to find it with solid consistency from the manaufacturers either. Not the ones in the USA and not the ones overseas. You will find a damn good average on quality and hit.

The bottom line is that it's really hard to buy a bad cue these days. More of a challenge to buy a great one.

I appreciate a different outlook. I don't appreciate bigotry or racism and that's what I challenge. What I learned from a young age was diversity having lived among people of all races and having lived all over the world.

So I knew you meant American made when you posted your challenge.

By the way, I suggest you talk to Mark Smith of www.marksmithcues.com and see if he can't do your pointed/veneer cue for $1100. He learned some from Ron Haley so you might be well surprised at what you get for the money.

John Barton - Marco Polo of cues and cases.

GOOD POINTS, I AM AGREED THAT YOU CAN GET A GOOD CUE FROM JUST ABOUT ANYBODY ANYMORE.

I WILL TAKE A LOOK AT MR. SMITH'S CUES, THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP.
 
cueaddicts said:
1. Made on American soil. I think I know where you are going with this....yes, it's a world economy now, but the the majority materials/supplies/overhead would be bought and paid for here and where the the majority of the resulting profits are spent on goods and services here...in our country's economy.

2. Yes....absolutely. (example = Tad)

Well and good. Although this isn't a discussion on the inexpensive sector of the cue market I should point out that the majority of the money involved in getting a cue that is made in Asia and sold in the USA from raw materials to the customer's hands is generated in the United States and "stays" in the US economy. At least as much as any other money stays in the US economy. Not going to get into a huge economics lesson here but money doesn't stay local to the USA or Podunk Idaho. There is no way for the United States or any particular place within the USA to be an insular economy. It's a fallacy to believe that the USA can be totally self-sufficient and cut off from the rest of the world.

For the second part. Just to get it straight, a cue has to be made in America by an American by birth or naturalized to be considered an American cue? Or if the guys from Eurowest set up a shop in the USA, hired folks from the local town, bought supplies from Atlas......would their cues be "American" cues even though they themselves were not American citizens?
 
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John Barton said:
For the second part. Just to get it straight, a cue has to be made in America by an American by birth or naturalized to be considered an American cue? Or if the guys from Eurowest set up a shop in the USA, hired folks from the local town, bought supplies from Atlas......would their cues be "American" cues even though they themselves were not American citizens?

JOHN,
SEAN ALREADY SAID HE CONSIDERS A TAD AMERICAN MADE EVEN THOUGH HE WAS AN IMMIGRANT. I CAN'T BE CERTAIN, BUT HE WOULD PROBABLY FEEL THE SAME IF EUROWEST CAME OVER.

I WOULD CONSIDER EUROWEST AMERICAN MADE, IF THEY CAME HERE OPENED UP SHOP AND HIRED AMERICANS, OR EVEN CONTINUED TO USE THE CREW THEY HAVE NOW.
 
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