I generally agree with you Pat; although, for somebody who doesn't chalk well or properly or forgets to chalk periodically, the benefit might help prevent some miscues.
Regards,
Dave
Chalk Testing Follow-Up, Taom vs. Master, and How to Chalk Properly
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Dave
I never believe marketing claims. That's why I plan to do some additional tests to characterize "likelihood for cling/skid/kick" for a variety of chalk brands, including Taom.
Regards,
Dave
Here's the latest installment (posted on YouTube today) of my chalk-testing trilogy:
NV J.8 - Pool/Billiards/Snooker Cling/Skid/Kick Examples and Chalk Comparison
Enjoy,
Dave
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It would be really interesting to see the statistics from the last world snooker season to see if there actual was a difference in amount of kicks, compared to previous seasons and also to matches the same season with players that used different brand, to rule out that maybe some other factor actually reduced frequency of kicks.
Statistics from several hundred matches and thousands of shots would really show some actual facts.
Anyway it was very evident that the tables looked cleaner after Taom players shots. Was this an optical illusion? Something to do with the colour or something else?
Statistics from several hundred matches and thousands of shots would really show some actual facts.
Anyway it was very evident that the tables looked cleaner after Taom players shots. Was this an optical illusion? Something to do with the colour or something else?
Pretty simple. Since I know I can shoot 30 or more shots without chalking. I just chalk before the game starts. And never again till the next game starts. I know I'm not going to shoot 30 times during one game of anything. (maybe an occasional game of 1P but even then I'm not worried about it)
But, with some chalks that you don't need to chalk much, you can still chalk after every shot if you want to as there is no build up. (well except for Kamui)
Personally, I don't think chalking is part of the PSR. When I went to the table in the past, I chalked first, then I looked the at the table, then the shot and then stepped into the line of the shot at that time. So, chalking or not chalking, it has nothing to do with PSR at most folks think, unless they just like chalking while looking at the table, and then it's a comfort thing, but it's not really part of the "pre-shot" imho.
And if folks like their chalk, they can keep their chalk. I've always said, use what you like and what performs best for you. I also don't allow certain chalk on my home table due to the mess.
This seems a relevant question for this thread. The commentators swore this was a kick:
But it's an overcut. Can you really blame a kick when you overcut the shot?
From this match at about 56:00.
But it's an overcut. Can you really blame a kick when you overcut the shot?
From this match at about 56:00.
If you have lots of outside english you can get an overcut kick. The same phenomenon allows you to cut the ball more than 90 degrees.This seems a relevant question for this thread. The commentators swore this was a kick:
But it's an overcut. Can you really blame a kick when you overcut the shot?
From this match at about 56:00.
That makes sense. I doubt that’s what happened here, but maybe.
Like Bob said, overcut throw/kick is possible. But this overcut was too small (hit the pocket point) to blame on anything but aim/stroke.This seems a relevant question for this thread. The commentators swore this was a kick:
But it's an overcut. Can you really blame a kick when you overcut the shot?
From this match at about 56:00.
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Agreed. We hear lots of "anecdotal evidence" and "subjective hearsay," but I haven't seen many objective facts. That's why I have proposed some of the chalk tests ... to produce objective results that other people can verify on their own.
Agreed. Although, one would need to be careful when interpreting shot results. Sometimes, people blame a misses on cling/skid/kick when they are actually due to failure to compensate aim for a normal amount of throw (especially with slow stun shots and small-gap combos, where the normal amount of throw can be quite large).
I think both the chalk color and texture (crumbly and powdery) both contribute to the illusion of cleanliness. It is very difficult to see the Taom chalk marks on a CB, and the chalk doesn't stain the cloth as much as with other chalks that are more pasty and contain dark dyes or pigments.
Regards,
Dave
As others have pointed out, it was possible there was cling/skid/kick on this shot. It sure sounded like it. But if you step though the over-head video a frame at a time (or just pause the video at key moments), it appears that he didn't have much sidespin on this shot, and it also appears that his aim was clearly off in the overcut direction (based on the line of the CB as it approaches the OB). I don't think we can blame this miss on cling/skid/kick.This seems a relevant question for this thread. The commentators swore this was a kick:
But it's an overcut. Can you really blame a kick when you overcut the shot?
From this match at about 56:00.
Regards,
Dave
Watched most of the videos and I have to say that I appreciate the amount of time and effort that you put into this task.
I enjoy someone who uses physical evidence to support what they say and not just conjecture.
I had conducted a similar test between Master Chalk and Kamui, but not quite as advanced as yours, and also found that it lasted longer between chalking but made a mess. The benefit wasn't worth the clean up in my opinion.
You're welcome ... and thank you.
For those interested, here are all of the videos in order:
NV F.1 - Pool Chalk Experiment - Does the brand really make a difference?
NV J.7 - Chalk Testing Follow-Up, Taom vs. Master, and How to Chalk Properly
NV J.8 - Pool/Billiards/Snooker Cling/Skid/Kick Examples and Chalk Comparison
Yea, that Kamui really stays on the tip, which could be helpful to people who don't chalk properly or often enough, but it really marks up the CB and makes a mess.
Regards,
Dave
Has anybody tried the 2nd cling example where I roll back the CB the right amount to almost guarantee a bad hit?
For those interested, the 2nd half of the following article covers this topic in detail:
"Throw Follow-up: Part IV: Follow Cling" (BD, October, 2014).
Enjoy,
Dave
I hate when i see players grind away at their tip with chalk, actually taking off more chalk than you put on.
Honestly Dr. Dave has put a lot of great videos on U-Tube, one of the best sources of information available for free.
It like a FREE Buffet, where you can pick, choose, watch, and learn a great deal without thinning your wallet.
Thanks Dave.
It like a FREE Buffet, where you can pick, choose, watch, and learn a great deal without thinning your wallet.
Thanks Dave.