Champions From Below the Border

JAM

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In doing a little reading, I ran across an interesting article about the Mexican champions. It was written in March 1984 by Bill Pierce. There is a picture of Ernesto Dominguez and "Little Sergio" Varga within the article, who at the time were inseparable. Before the Filipino Invasion, lead by Jose Parica, it was the Mexican champions who were making the news.

Here's a couple of snippets: Some of Mexico's finest pool-playing champions are migrating across the border to Southern California to compete with their American counterparts for the riches that are starting to materialize in pocket billiards.

"Riches"? LOL! :D

Continuing: In the last couple of years, a few of them have entered tournaments...just to test the waters. Some have had considerable success, such as ERNESTO DOMINGUEZ.

Most of these players are still learning to speak English, but were taught by their countrymen who have been here a few years to beware of getting trapped by some of the trashy, low-life bums...It's a shame that the game of pool has to tolerate these vultures. The professional pool players who come from Mexico are invariably good sports and perfect gentlemen when they arrive and remain to be so, except for a few who unfortunately confirm to the American negative side because they allowed themselves to be influenced by pool hustling vultures.

Some of the great Mexican champions who preceded these late arrivals and were a driving influence to bringing them to America are BIG SERGIO GANDERILLA and other greats such as "NICARAGUA" AL DAVILA and BERNARDO "KING KONG" RAMIREZ.

Among the Mexican Americans, we have "TRACY JOE" SALAZAR, one of the America's best bar table players, "LITTLE AL" ROMERO, a true gentleman and a world-class champion of all pool games, including one-handed and left- or right-handed, DANNY MEDINA, a world-class champion who resides in Denver, Colorado, and FRANK "THE BARBER" ALMANZA, an all-around West Coast champion.

But this latest crop from Mexico are the ones who are going to have to be reckoned with in the future tournaments. ERNESTO DOMINGUEZ and "LITTLE SERGIO" VARGA are a couple of the most threatening at the moment. "LITTLE SERGIO" is already beging recognized by some as one of the top five one-handed players in the world.

I would again emphasize that a lot of you American players could take lessons in good sportsmanship and acquire a little class by emulating the champions from below the border.


Interesting article to me as I am acquiring bits of data about the pool culture in America. Some things haven't changed. Keith McCready said before the Filipinos hit the shores of America, it was definitely the Mexican players who were the toughest to beat. Today, there are tough players from around the world who have come to our shores and compete in America. Boy, what a difference 20 years makes! :p

JAM
 
Sweet article Jam. How are you btw? My dad has told me some war stories of him and all the Mexicans versus "el diablo" ;) . I asked my dad why they called him "el diablo," his explanation was that everyone was scared of Keith and nobody wanted any part of the devil. lol.

Boy, I sure do wish I was around that era to sweat the action. It would have been nice.
 
just my 2 cents but

I thought Bernardo "King Kong's" last name was Chavez.......and I guess the article was too early to mention Ismael "Morro" Paez, another great champion.....
 
Morro was certainly around then, but playing (mostly) and living in San Diego. Hey JAM, myself and couple other guys from Bob's Billards (pretty sure Keith was part of the crew) made a b-line to a new place called Orange County Sports Arena to sweat Little Sergio playing one-handed jacked up with some Phillipino dude. 9-ball, I think. I think this was sometime in 1983. Phillipino dude was Efren! The "house pro" at OCSA was non other than Ronnie Allen! Ask Keith, I'm sure he remembers the place. It was on Lincoln near Brookhurst in sunny Anaheim.:D

Martin


wahcheck said:
I thought Bernardo "King Kong's" last name was Chavez.......and I guess the article was too early to mention Ismael "Morro" Paez, another great champion.....
 
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jazznpool said:
Morro was certainly around then, but playing (mostly) and living in San Diego. Hey JAM, myself and couple other guys from Bob's Billards (pretty sure Keith was part of the crew) made a b-line to a new place called Orange County Sports Arena to sweat Little Sergio playing one-handed jacked up with some Phillipino dude. 9-ball, I think. I think this was sometime in 1983. Phillipino dude was Efren! The "house pro" at OCSA was non other than Ronnie Allen! Ask Keith, I'm sure he remembers the place. It was on Lincoln near Brookhurst in sunny Anaheim.:D

Martin

What's funny is how I came across the article, mainly in an effort to get the date of this event when Ronnie played Efren. Though I thought the author was a little harsh on the American pool players, I was pleasantly surprised to learn about the Mexican Invasion, if I may call it that, and how the Americans welcomed and embraced these new pool champions. Very refreshing in that sense!

Ernesto Dominguez was very well thought of when he came to America, not only for his morals and good sportsmanship, but he was deemed as a champion pool player, a role model and mentor, if you will.

It is no wonder that MexPoolPlyr is such a fine young man! :)

JAM
 
Unless he changed it some time between 1984 (when the article was written) and 1988 (my first real memory of King Kong), King Kong's last name is Chavez, not Ramirez. Cool article though. I always like reading pool articles from the past.


JAM said:
In doing a little reading, I ran across an interesting article about the Mexican champions. It was written in March 1984 by Bill Pierce. There is a picture of Ernesto Dominguez and "Little Sergio" Varga within the article, who at the time were inseparable. Before the Filipino Invasion, lead by Jose Parica, it was the Mexican champions who were making the news.

Here's a couple of snippets: Some of Mexico's finest pool-playing champions are migrating across the border to Southern California to compete with their American counterparts for the riches that are starting to materialize in pocket billiards.

"Riches"? LOL! :D

Continuing: In the last couple of years, a few of them have entered tournaments...just to test the waters. Some have had considerable success, such as ERNESTO DOMINGUEZ.

Most of these players are still learning to speak English, but were taught by their countrymen who have been here a few years to beware of getting trapped by some of the trashy, low-life bums...It's a shame that the game of pool has to tolerate these vultures. The professional pool players who come from Mexico are invariably good sports and perfect gentlemen when they arrive and remain to be so, except for a few who unfortunately confirm to the American negative side because they allowed themselves to be influenced by pool hustling vultures.

Some of the great Mexican champions who preceded these late arrivals and were a driving influence to bringing them to America are BIG SERGIO GANDERILLA and other greats such as "NICARAGUA" AL DAVILA and BERNARDO "KING KONG" RAMIREZ.

Among the Mexican Americans, we have "TRACY JOE" SALAZAR, one of the America's best bar table players, "LITTLE AL" ROMERO, a true gentleman and a world-class champion of all pool games, including one-handed and left- or right-handed, DANNY MEDINA, a world-class champion who resides in Denver, Colorado, and FRANK "THE BARBER" ALMANZA, an all-around West Coast champion.

But this latest crop from Mexico are the ones who are going to have to be reckoned with in the future tournaments. ERNESTO DOMINGUEZ and "LITTLE SERGIO" VARGA are a couple of the most threatening at the moment. "LITTLE SERGIO" is already beging recognized by some as one of the top five one-handed players in the world.

I would again emphasize that a lot of you American players could take lessons in good sportsmanship and acquire a little class by emulating the champions from below the border.


Interesting article to me as I am acquiring bits of data about the pool culture in America. Some things haven't changed. Keith McCready said before the Filipinos hit the shores of America, it was definitely the Mexican players who were the toughest to beat. Today, there are tough players from around the world who have come to our shores and compete in America. Boy, what a difference 20 years makes! :p

JAM
 
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omg Martin, the Sports Arena. Old man used to say that they had these one handed jacked up tournaments there often and like 32 plyrs would pony up 200 entry. Back in a time where my dads weekly check was 250. Crazy.

Yea Jimmy, King Kong should be Chavez, must be a typo.

When I get back from San Diego on Monday, I'll have a war story for you guys, Thx Jam...:D
 
JAM said:
In doing a little reading, I ran across an interesting article about the Mexican champions. It was written in March 1984 by Bill Pierce. There is a picture of Ernesto Dominguez and "Little Sergio" Varga within the article, who at the time were inseparable. Before the Filipino Invasion, lead by Jose Parica, it was the Mexican champions who were making the news.

Here's a couple of snippets: Some of Mexico's finest pool-playing champions are migrating across the border to Southern California to compete with their American counterparts for the riches that are starting to materialize in pocket billiards.

"Riches"? LOL! :D

Continuing: In the last couple of years, a few of them have entered tournaments...just to test the waters. Some have had considerable success, such as ERNESTO DOMINGUEZ.

Most of these players are still learning to speak English, but were taught by their countrymen who have been here a few years to beware of getting trapped by some of the trashy, low-life bums...It's a shame that the game of pool has to tolerate these vultures. The professional pool players who come from Mexico are invariably good sports and perfect gentlemen when they arrive and remain to be so, except for a few who unfortunately confirm to the American negative side because they allowed themselves to be influenced by pool hustling vultures.

Some of the great Mexican champions who preceded these late arrivals and were a driving influence to bringing them to America are BIG SERGIO GANDERILLA and other greats such as "NICARAGUA" AL DAVILA and BERNARDO "KING KONG" RAMIREZ.

Among the Mexican Americans, we have "TRACY JOE" SALAZAR, one of the America's best bar table players, "LITTLE AL" ROMERO, a true gentleman and a world-class champion of all pool games, including one-handed and left- or right-handed, DANNY MEDINA, a world-class champion who resides in Denver, Colorado, and FRANK "THE BARBER" ALMANZA, an all-around West Coast champion.

But this latest crop from Mexico are the ones who are going to have to be reckoned with in the future tournaments. ERNESTO DOMINGUEZ and "LITTLE SERGIO" VARGA are a couple of the most threatening at the moment. "LITTLE SERGIO" is already beging recognized by some as one of the top five one-handed players in the world.

I would again emphasize that a lot of you American players could take lessons in good sportsmanship and acquire a little class by emulating the champions from below the border.


Interesting article to me as I am acquiring bits of data about the pool culture in America. Some things haven't changed. Keith McCready said before the Filipinos hit the shores of America, it was definitely the Mexican players who were the toughest to beat. Today, there are tough players from around the world who have come to our shores and compete in America. Boy, what a difference 20 years makes! :p

JAM

Interesting article.

It is always nice to hear opinions from around the world, even if they are biased like this one. Of course Bill Pierce will probably be an American liberal. :-)
JoeyA
 
JoeyA said:
Interesting article.

It is always nice to hear opinions from around the world, even if they are biased like this one. Of course Bill Pierce will probably be an American liberal. :-)
JoeyA

Pierce was very descriptive presenting his view about the American "vultures." :D

I have discovered from reading some of the older pool mags and newspapers that the player roster for the U.S. pool tournaments 20 years ago were quite different than today. The majority of competitors were American, with a few Mexican champions like Dominguez, Medina, Paez, but before the Filipino Invasion, there were not very many players from Asian-Pacific Islander countries or Europe. The player roster of the U.S. Open was 64 players, 20 years ago, and today, it is over 200, as an example. Pool has seemed to have grown in America, but there are other areas which have remained stagnant, for lack of a better word. :o

JAM
 
Mexican Champions

I am surprised Bill didn't mention Morro Paez in the article. Morro was the main action man for the mexican players. He also missed a dozen or so others including Pepe, Barney, Francisco and Arturo Rivera, but in my opinion, the very best player out of Mexico in those days was Helio (ask Keith about this). He was smart enough to stay away from Keith as far as I can remember, and kept his game undercover. He died young in an auto accident.

As a young pool player who grew up less than 10 miles from downtown Los Angeles, I tangled with almost all of them many times over the years. Big Sergio was the first good big table player, and he showed up in the late 60's. Morro came in 72 or so and Ernesto in the late 70's, early 80's. Ernesto and I played at the original Hard Times in Costa Mesa. He had me giving him weight (I was just as dumb then as now). We called him juetto (sp) in those days, which is slang for light skinned. If you played pool for money in Southern California back then, you had to play the Mexican players. They were the best action.

Ask Keith if he remembers playing Mexican Barney three cushion billiards at 4th & Main in LA. Ronnie Allen was supposed to play Barney Golf and Charlie the Ape was going to stake it. Ronnie was late and Keith was with Charlie and Barney offered him 10 billiards going to 30 for $300 per game. Keith declined, saying he didn't play billiards. I talked him & Charlie into playing and Keith beat him four or five games in a row. Barney thought he could lock him up but Keith hit the ball so good, making non regular billiard shots, he tortured Barney. I was in for a little piece and Keith actually beat him even a couple of the games.

Ernesto & I talk about the old days some when he is at Hard Times covering tables. His game just kept getting better and he is liable to beat anybody out there these days. He will be up here covering the table for the big tournaments in June. His son's game is coming along and I expect to see him up here as well. More good memories. I'm heading to Hard Times in Sac & donate a little today. John Henderson
 
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jrhendy said:
...Ask Keith if he remembers playing Mexican Barney three cushion billiards at 4th & Main in LA. Ronnie Allen was supposed to play Barney Golf and Charlie the Ape was going to stake it. Ronnie was late and Keith was with Charlie and Barney offered him 10 billiards going to 30 for $300 per game. Keith declined, saying he didn't play billiards. I talked him & Charlie into playing and Keith beat him four or five games in a row. Barney thought he could lock him up but Keith hit the ball so good, making non regular billiard shots, he tortured Barney. I was in for a little piece and Keith actually beat him even a couple of the games....

Keith said you hit the nail right on the head about Barney.

He said everybody used to worry about going down to 4th and Main because the area was considered a little rough -- downtown in the heart of L.A. -- but Keith said he never had any trouble whatsoever.

In fact, he loved it down there at 4th and Main. He said the Mexican players would chirp like a canary: "Gamble, gamble, gamble. Dinero, Dinero, Dinero." Like MexPoolPlyr said, that is where he got the nickname "El Diablo." Keith said he has NEVER seen so much money in a pool room, aside from Detroit, and the action was non-stop and plentiful every single day, Keith's kind of place! :D

JAM
 
JAM said:
Keith said you hit the nail right on the head about Barney.

He said everybody used to worry about going down to 4th and Main because the area was considered a little rough -- downtown in the heart of L.A. -- but Keith said he never had any trouble whatsoever.

In fact, he loved it down there at 4th and Main. He said the Mexican players would chirp like a canary: "Gamble, gamble, gamble. Dinero, Dinero, Dinero." Like MexPoolPlyr said, that is where he got the nickname "El Diablo." Keith said he has NEVER seen so much money in a pool room, aside from Detroit, and the action was non-stop and plentiful every single day, Keith's kind of place! :D

JAM

Keith used to go down there with Charlie the Ape. Not too many people would get out of line in that spot. Only problem I had there once was when I was playing Veracruz some 9 ball & when I went to the bathroom they switched the cueball to the big ball. I didn't win the argument or the set and quit going after that.

The Preakness is almost in your back yard and I'm sure Keith is betting it. I am going to try & beat the favorite with Curlin. Who do you guys like?
 
jrhendy said:
Keith used to go down there with Charlie the Ape. Not too many people would get out of line in that spot. Only problem I had there once was when I was playing Veracruz some 9 ball & when I went to the bathroom they switched the cueball to the big ball. I didn't win the argument or the set and quit going after that.

The Preakness is almost in your back yard and I'm sure Keith is betting it. I am going to try & beat the favorite with Curlin. Who do you guys like?

I'm pulling for my man from Beautiful Dixie, Calvin, on Street Sense! Man, I hope he wins. I really like this guy! I think Keith has several horses that he likes, but he's going with Calvin, too!

JAM
 
jrhendy said:
...the very best player out of Mexico in those days was Helio (ask Keith about this). He was smart enough to stay away from Keith as far as I can remember, and kept his game undercover. He died young in an auto accident

I agree about Helio. His full name was Gildardo Mascareno (sp?). He was sometimes [mistakenly] called Julio.

Mark
 
jrhendy said:
...The Preakness is almost in your back yard and I'm sure Keith is betting it. I am going to try & beat the favorite with Curlin. Who do you guys like?

You heard it here first, and here's the magic ticket! :p

Bet a dollar triple box on the 3-7-8: Circular Quay, Hard Spun, and Street Sense!

If you win, Keith says he want's a little jelly roll! :D

JAM
 
jrhendy said:
Keith used to go down there with Charlie the Ape. Not too many people would get out of line in that spot. Only problem I had there once was when I was playing Veracruz some 9 ball & when I went to the bathroom they switched the cueball to the big ball. I didn't win the argument or the set and quit going after that.

The Preakness is almost in your back yard and I'm sure Keith is betting it. I am going to try & beat the favorite with Curlin. Who do you guys like?

Veracruz may have been the best of the Mexicans but he tries to stay under the radar. There was a big tournament in Hollywood 7 or 8 years ago. I lost 9-8 to Morro in the final on the losers side. Morro then had to play Veracruz in the final and I overheard Morro asking Veracruz if he wanted to split it (it was something like $2400 first, $1600 second), Veracruz said "no way" and proceeded to drill Morro in the final.
 
wayne said:
Veracruz may have been the best of the Mexicans but he tries to stay under the radar. There was a big tournament in Hollywood 7 or 8 years ago. I lost 9-8 to Morro in the final on the losers side. Morro then had to play Veracruz in the final and I overheard Morro asking Veracruz if he wanted to split it (it was something like $2400 first, $1600 second), Veracruz said "no way" and proceeded to drill Morro in the final.

Just out of curiosity, what kind games did Veracruz and players of his era enjoy playing the most? Nine-ball, One-pocket, Eight-ball, or something else?

JAM
 
JAM said:
You heard it here first, and here's the magic ticket! :p

Bet a dollar triple box on the 3-7-8: Circular Quay, Hard Spun, and Street Sense!

If you win, Keith says he want's a little jelly roll! :D

JAM

4-8-7 trifecta only paid $25.00, so I fired it at the last race. John
 
jrhendy said:
The Preakness is almost in your back yard and I'm sure Keith is betting it. I am going to try & beat the favorite with Curlin. Who do you guys like?

How'd ya' hit 'em, jrhendry?! Man, what a race. I was pulling for Street Sense and Calvin big time, but it was nice to see another Louisiana jockey score a major win. :)

JAM
 
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