Change From 9' To 7' Rating System

Johnnyt

Johnnyt

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Below is a rating system for 10-ball from Joe Tucker. It's for a 9' table with 4 1/2" pockets or bigger. Play the 10-ball ghost 10 times and add total balls then average out for 10 games. (

What would be the numbers for a 7' table with corner and sides 4" pockets?


30-35 D+
36-40 C
41-45 C+
46-50 B
51-55 B+
56-60 A
61-65 A+
66-70 A++
71-up Pro

Thank you for the help. Johnnyt
 
No need Johnnyt... Didn't you know that everyone is pro speed on a 7' box 4" pockets or not? LOL....

Actually that is a pretty good question and I would think it would be more of a question of how the table breaks with the 4" pockets. If the table gives up nothing on the break I would think the Tucker scale would be pretty close because of congestion. If the balls tend to end up going down in masses to the point that congestion isn't a problem or you keep getting road maps I could see adjusting the scale 20%
 
The Renfro said:
No need Johnnyt... Didn't you know that everyone is pro speed on a 7' box 4" pockets or not? LOL....

Actually that is a pretty good question and I would think it would be more of a question of how the table breaks with the 4" pockets. If the table gives up nothing on the break I would think the Tucker scale would be pretty close because of congestion. If the balls tend to end up going down in masses to the point that congestion isn't a problem or you keep getting road maps I could see adjusting the scale 20%
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I use the Magic Rack and I don't think I average 1 ball on the break since I put on the rails making all six pockets 4". They spread pretty good most breaks. Probably average about 1 cluster a rack. Thank you for the input. Johnnyt
 
Not sure I understand why a rating system or even an individual gauge of individual play should be applied to certain size table or pockets. You're "rating" is what it is, on whatever you play. I don't think I play any better or any worse on a bar box vs. a 9'. There is a different "style", you can't cut the cue ball loose like you do on a big table, but isn't cue ball control part of any rating system?

Let's make these rating systems as useless as possible by breaking them down on table size, pocket size or what's next, cue cost? Surely a guy with a $3000 Joss West has to be a 9 and the guy with a $200 Meucci is a 5.
 
tank69 said:
Not sure I understand why a rating system or even an individual gauge of individual play should be applied to certain size table or pockets. You're "rating" is what it is, on whatever you play. I don't think I play any better or any worse on a bar box vs. a 9'. There is a different "style", you can't cut the cue ball loose like you do on a big table, but isn't cue ball control part of any rating system?

Let's make these rating systems as useless as possible by breaking them down on table size, pocket size or what's next, cue cost? Surely a guy with a $3000 Joss West has to be a 9 and the guy with a $200 Meucci is a 5.
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i play MUCH better on a barbox than on a 9 footer...everything is easier since there's less cue ball travel, shorter shots, etc
 
Johnnyt said:
What would be the numbers for a 7' table with corner and sides 4" pockets?
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4" side pockets???... are you sure, Johnny?... wow.

Side pockets are typically 1/2" to 9/16" wider at the throat than corner pockets.

Out of curiosity, do this test on your table.

Place the CB on a line between the center diamond on the short rail and the side pocket... placing it near the short rail. Shoot the CB into the side pocket. You should be able to make it in the side pocket from that angle.

Next, place the CB on a slightly shallower angle to the side pocket and shoot the ball into the side pocket.

Continue doing this until you are no longer able to make the CB in the side pocket.

How far did you get?

On most tables, the line of demarcation is close to 1 1/2 diamonds, which is a good benchmark to note for when an OB can be made into the side pocket.
 
Neil said:
Yet, I have scratched in the side hitting the first diamond! You can't shoot the cb directly in, but it can still scratch in!
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You'll have to explain that one to me, Neil.

Can swerve be induced during a break?

Doesn't seem like it as the collision between the balls is at their mid-height... right?
 
cigardave said:
4" side pockets???... are you sure, Johnny?... wow.

Side pockets are typically 1/2" to 9/16" wider at the throat than corner pockets.

Out of curiosity, do this test on your table.

Place the CB on a line between the center diamond on the short rail and the side pocket... placing it near the short rail. Shoot the CB into the side pocket. You should be able to make it in the side pocket from that angle.

Next, place the CB on a slightly shallower angle to the side pocket and shoot the ball into the side pocket.

Continue doing this until you are no longer able to make the CB in the side pocket.

How far did you get?

On most tables, the line of demarcation is close to 1 1/2 diamonds, which is a good benchmark to note for when an OB can be made into the side pocket.
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I will do it tomorrow as there is a bad storm over me now. The sides are 4" also. I wanted a tough table. Johnnyt
 
Neil:
I have scratched in the side hitting the first diamond! You can't shoot the cb directly in, but it can still scratch in!
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cigardave:
You'll have to explain that one to me, Neil.
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I think this happens when the CB is rolling so slowly that the "gutter" (the worn path alongside the rail) makes it "roll off" into the pocket.

I know how Neil feels - I've often thought the cue ball scratched in the side at "impossible" angles. But of course if it can roll in by itself you can also shoot it in at the same angle, if you shoot it slowly.

pj
chgo
 
obr said:
i play MUCH better on a barbox than on a 9 footer...everything is easier since there's less cue ball travel, shorter shots, etc
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Everything is easier? You sometimes have to move the cue ball on a bar box, much smaller "playing field" cluttered with balls sometimes. If you can move a cue ball around a bar box, doing it on a 9 footer should be easy...In theory. I'm not a great shot or player, but I don't see the big difference.
 
cigardave said:
4" side pockets???... are you sure, Johnny?... wow.

Side pockets are typically 1/2" to 9/16" wider at the throat than corner pockets.

Out of curiosity, do this test on your table.

Place the CB on a line between the center diamond on the short rail and the side pocket... placing it near the short rail. Shoot the CB into the side pocket. You should be able to make it in the side pocket from that angle.

Next, place the CB on a slightly shallower angle to the side pocket and shoot the ball into the side pocket.

Continue doing this until you are no longer able to make the CB in the side pocket.

How far did you get?

On most tables, the line of demarcation is close to 1 1/2 diamonds, which is a good benchmark to note for when an OB can be made into the side pocket.
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Placing the CB 1" off the rail I can pocket it up to a 1/2" past a diamond and a half. The sides are 4" at the points. Johnnyt
 
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