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Kevin3824

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Most people do not see pool as a cheap sport to get involved in. They see the price of brand new tables (5k plus for a Diamond) and even quality production cues as being a lot of money (not unusual to see prices of $1000 or more. The cost of a quality set of tournament grade pool balls can be $300. A person can easily put out $10k setting up a home pool room. Some may say serious pool players or pool players are cheapskates.

Honestly, one of the main things that make pool a great pastime that is one of the few things you can do to enjoy yourself alone or with friends that can be done at home alone or with friends. Something that once you get past the initial investment the equipment will last a long time. If you practice or play enough the investment will pay for itself in savings of money you would have paid out for that same time at a pool hall or bowling alley or bar green fees. You will not be limited on when or how long you use your home table or even any rules that you may have in a public venue for that matter.

Some say serious pool shooters are bad for pool hall business and they may be correct. Most serious pool players have spent a lot of hours on a table learning and practicing. Most own their own set of equipment at home. If you have to pay for every minute you need to learn to play good pool you will go broke. Higher skill level may be intimidating to less practiced customers of a pool establishment. The serious pool player will be aware of current pricing on things they may want. That puts pool hall owners at a disadvantage for marking up pricing above retail pricing to the informed consumer.

An example of this can be seen at most pool halls you can buy Pool cues. Most of them will be priced at or above MSRP. The savvy pool player can find the same product brand new online at places like Amazon Prime which they can get free for a year if they have a student ID for substantially less than MSRP. That would include free 2 day shipping. Those people that would call pool players cheapskates think that the customer should pay the higher price to the pool hall instead of simply ordering it online.

I understand the idea of supporting local business. I also understand the concept that pool halls or any business need to make money. I have written on this topic a couple times here and have been told basically that if a pool hall does not have Alcohol and Food they will go out of business. I do not see anything wrong with businesses charging slightly more then they pay for a product. I do not think they should be charging more that the highest sellers of the same product near them such as convenience stores. Pool halls should make the majority of their money off the casual player that either does not own, cannot have, or afford to have on their own. That should be their target customer. They should not only respect the more advanced player but they should try to find a way to use the advanced players to try to attract new customers or teams for their pool leagues. Good players and Pro players will end up with people that follow them. A good house pro or trainer will attract customers as well.

For me it getting to the point that going to a pool hall has very little to offer me I cannot get at home. In fact, as soon as I add a few more things to my home setup it will be a higher level of quality equipment than most pool halls I have been in.
 
Even though I have a high end table (2 tables actually) and very nice like new accessories I still enjoy going to the pool hall. I have no problem paying to play pool even though I can do it at home for free. When I buy pool related accessories I try to buy everything from my local custom cue builder who also has a retail billiards store. I would much rather go to a brick and mortar building and pay a little more to have the option of picking up and handling items I am considering buying, if we do not support these brick and mortar businesses we will soon be buying everything we use on the interweb like it or not.
 
Since the pool table market is in the dump right now, a buyer's market, one could easily acquire a Gold Crown in good condition and have it professionally installed for way under $3k including quality accessories (Simonis cloth, house cues, balls, etc.)

Quality vintage cues as well as entry level cues from professional cuemakers on the used market can be had for $600, $500, and even less. New production cues can be purchased under $500 as well.

As for the brick and mortar pool hall, it offers something you will never replicate at home: the challenges of other players, camaraderie of others, and instruction and education on becoming a better player.

The only thing expensive about the sport I can think of is having a room large enough to devote to a home table. If someone is truly intrigued and committed, they don't even need a cue and if they want their own, they are available on the cheap lower than the estimates I mentioned above.
 
I enjoy my home set up. Love it and thankful I can afford it. However I enjoy going to a room... The atmosphere. The friendships made. The availability of stronger players to test my skills.
 
Pool is incredibly cheap to play. You can get a decent cue for $200 and spend $5/hr at a pool hall to play. That is some cheap entertainment!

Yes, tables are expensive and having a house that will hold one is too, but you don't need your own table. I don't have one because I don't have the space unfortunately (otherwise I'd be calling Diamond right away) and I still consider myself a very avid player. Two nights a week at league, often another weekday for an hour or so and then once or twice on the weekend for a 3-6 hour stretch.

Compare it to golf where you need at least $1k for a decent set of lightly used clubs and $40-70 per round played. Or cycling where you need a $2k bike and another couple hundred for your kit.

I think pool is pretty affordable and the nice thing is is that $200 cue doesn't put you at a competive disadvantage, it plays good enough for any level (just ask Shane)!

Most of us choose to spend more because we want to and we can, but the cost of entry for a decent cue and table time is quite low.
 
Good grief...is that yor dossertation?

I agree that having a home table is great, but hanong out at your house and playing with youself all the time can get pretty lame.

It is game day that validates skill, imo. Nobody cares how many balls you run in the gym...it is game day that counts.

Most people do not see pool as a cheap sport to get involved in. They see the price of brand new tables (5k plus for a Diamond) and even quality production cues as being a lot of money (not unusual to see prices of $1000 or more. The cost of a quality set of tournament grade pool balls can be $300. A person can easily put out $10k setting up a home pool room. Some may say serious pool players or pool players are cheapskates.

Honestly, one of the main things that make pool a great pastime that is one of the few things you can do to enjoy yourself alone or with friends that can be done at home alone or with friends. Something that once you get past the initial investment the equipment will last a long time. If you practice or play enough the investment will pay for itself in savings of money you would have paid out for that same time at a pool hall or bowling alley or bar green fees. You will not be limited on when or how long you use your home table or even any rules that you may have in a public venue for that matter.

Some say serious pool shooters are bad for pool hall business and they may be correct. Most serious pool players have spent a lot of hours on a table learning and practicing. Most own their own set of equipment at home. If you have to pay for every minute you need to learn to play good pool you will go broke. Higher skill level may be intimidating to less practiced customers of a pool establishment. The serious pool player will be aware of current pricing on things they may want. That puts pool hall owners at a disadvantage for marking up pricing above retail pricing to the informed consumer.

An example of this can be seen at most pool halls you can buy Pool cues. Most of them will be priced at or above MSRP. The savvy pool player can find the same product brand new online at places like Amazon Prime which they can get free for a year if they have a student ID for substantially less than MSRP. That would include free 2 day shipping. Those people that would call pool players cheapskates think that the customer should pay the higher price to the pool hall instead of simply ordering it online.

I understand the idea of supporting local business. I also understand the concept that pool halls or any business need to make money. I have written on this topic a couple times here and have been told basically that if a pool hall does not have Alcohol and Food they will go out of business. I do not see anything wrong with businesses charging slightly more then they pay for a product. I do not think they should be charging more that the highest sellers of the same product near them such as convenience stores. Pool halls should make the majority of their money off the casual player that either does not own, cannot have, or afford to have on their own. That should be their target customer. They should not only respect the more advanced player but they should try to find a way to use the advanced players to try to attract new customers or teams for their pool leagues. Good players and Pro players will end up with people that follow them. A good house pro or trainer will attract customers as well.

For me it getting to the point that going to a pool hall has very little to offer me I cannot get at home. In fact, as soon as I add a few more things to my home setup it will be a higher level of quality equipment than most pool halls I have been in.
 
Playing pool is the cheapest (low cost) endeavor I've undertaken.
I don't have a table at home simply because (and like many here) I don't have the room for one.
I use a cue that I made several years ago, but if I didn't there are several models of Schons that I have had over the years that are well under a thousand dollars.
When I'm at the pool hall I seldom pay over five bucks to play.
By comparison......
Golf, shooting sports (including hunting), drag racing, recreational flying, and the Granddaddy of them all, Bass fishing, are all way more expensive than playing pool.
You need to get out more. :smile:
 
Playing pool is the cheapest (low cost) endeavor I've undertaken.
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By comparison......
Golf, shooting sports (including hunting), drag racing, recreational flying, and the Granddaddy of them all, Bass fishing, are all way more expensive than playing pool.
Pool is without a doubt the cheapest. And to top it off no equipment is needed. House cues are free..don't have to buy or rent a cue.
Golf,shooting sports, cars, racing.... a person needs a part time job. I had 2 off road Jeeps...went to organized off road events. The damage and repairs and upgrades were nuts... JEEP (Just Empty Every Pocket). Pool is a wonderful interest...and very affordable.
 
Pool is without a doubt the cheapest. And to top it off no equipment is needed. House cues are free..don't have to buy or rent a cue.



Not everywhere. The hall I play in uses Joss Sneaky Petes for house cues that are kept in good order & repair behind the counter. Rental fee of a $1. No bad cues though.
 
Not everywhere. The hall I play in uses Joss Sneaky Petes for house cues that are kept in good order & repair behind the counter. Rental fee of a $1. No bad cues though.

First I heard of that but it's a good deal and offering.
 
Most people do not see pool as a cheap sport to get involved in. They see the price of brand new tables (5k plus for a Diamond) and even quality production cues as being a lot of money (not unusual to see prices of $1000 or more. The cost of a quality set of tournament grade pool balls can be $300. A person can easily put out $10k setting up a home pool room. Some may say serious pool players or pool players are cheapskates.

Honestly, one of the main things that make pool a great pastime that is one of the few things you can do to enjoy yourself alone or with friends that can be done at home alone or with friends. Something that once you get past the initial investment the equipment will last a long time. If you practice or play enough the investment will pay for itself in savings of money you would have paid out for that same time at a pool hall or bowling alley or bar green fees. You will not be limited on when or how long you use your home table or even any rules that you may have in a public venue for that matter.

Some say serious pool shooters are bad for pool hall business and they may be correct. Most serious pool players have spent a lot of hours on a table learning and practicing. Most own their own set of equipment at home. If you have to pay for every minute you need to learn to play good pool you will go broke. Higher skill level may be intimidating to less practiced customers of a pool establishment. The serious pool player will be aware of current pricing on things they may want. That puts pool hall owners at a disadvantage for marking up pricing above retail pricing to the informed consumer.

An example of this can be seen at most pool halls you can buy Pool cues. Most of them will be priced at or above MSRP. The savvy pool player can find the same product brand new online at places like Amazon Prime which they can get free for a year if they have a student ID for substantially less than MSRP. That would include free 2 day shipping. Those people that would call pool players cheapskates think that the customer should pay the higher price to the pool hall instead of simply ordering it online.

I understand the idea of supporting local business. I also understand the concept that pool halls or any business need to make money. I have written on this topic a couple times here and have been told basically that if a pool hall does not have Alcohol and Food they will go out of business. I do not see anything wrong with businesses charging slightly more then they pay for a product. I do not think they should be charging more that the highest sellers of the same product near them such as convenience stores. Pool halls should make the majority of their money off the casual player that either does not own, cannot have, or afford to have on their own. That should be their target customer. They should not only respect the more advanced player but they should try to find a way to use the advanced players to try to attract new customers or teams for their pool leagues. Good players and Pro players will end up with people that follow them. A good house pro or trainer will attract customers as well.

For me it getting to the point that going to a pool hall has very little to offer me I cannot get at home. In fact, as soon as I add a few more things to my home setup it will be a higher level of quality equipment than most pool halls I have been in.


One thing playing at home will not provide you is competition.

People go to pool halls for a variety of reasons: to observe other players, practice, to socialize, to compete, and a combination of all them. At home you will get one of those. Oh sure, you'll be able to occasionally get a buddy to come over, share a beer, and bang them around but that's not the same as playing out in the wild against guys that want to beat you into submission, steal your money, and send you home crying.

Over the years I've known lots of guys that owned their own table. Funny thing is that -- in many, many cases -- we'd meet at the pool hall to play and these table owners suddenly became helpless, even though the equipment was pretty much the same as their home track.

You can convince yourself of some pretty amazing things in your basement. Does't mean they will be true out in the real world.

Lou Figueroa
 
First I heard of that but it's a good deal and offering.



I don't use them but feel it's a good deal for those that do. As I stated they are kept in great condition & tipped properly.

Seems far better than free at all other places I've ever been but the free house cues are war clubs in questionable condition & repair.
 
Woof-CounterWoof. Can't do that at home. Practicing and playing the ghost are nice but boredom sets in pretty quick. A lot of home tables become mini storage units after about a year.
 
One thing playing at home will not provide you is competition.

People go to pool halls for a variety of reasons: to observe other players, practice, to socialize, to compete, and a combination of all them. At home you will get one of those. Oh sure, you'll be able to occasionally get a buddy to come over, share a beer, and bang them around but that's not the same as playing out in the wild against guys that want to beat you into submission, steal your money, and send you home crying.

Over the years I've known lots of guys that owned their own table. Funny thing is that -- in many, many cases -- we'd meet at the pool hall to play and these table owners suddenly became helpless, even though the equipment was pretty much the same as their home track.

You can convince yourself of some pretty amazing things in your basement. Does't mean they will be true out in the real world.

Lou Figueroa

The voice of experience....
 
On the topic of house cues...i was at tourney over the weekend and on losers side, waiting for table next to me to give me an opponent, i start 2/3/4 railing banks and my make % is approaching 1. Not sure i made any.

Dude playing the match walks over and asks if i want to play for $. I do. I end up beating him in the tourney and je is out. Next was finals match, so buddy and i do not play and i tell the dude who asked me to play/ i just beat by slopping in a 1-9 to flip it.

Now he doesnt have a cue. I tell him thete are some on the wall and he says i need to play with a wall cue too. We got action, i won and the place was closing.

I am trying to.see if i.can make a post as long as the op's...

I am also hoping this long post is a . I forgot what i was gonna say in this fiufff sentence. Dammit

Of the 4 house cues i used, one pointeup, down, left or right severely, one has a tip.that.popped of, one felt lime it had been chewed on and the til.was.worn all.the way dwn on.one.side,,,and then the winning cue? Tip.like aa wafer, and it had a crack at the.base.of where a.joimt.would be.
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As for cheap There is a place in Colorado that has free water.(or so we have been told).
To ensure I have a good tip on any house cue,I bought a package of slip on tips like 20 years ago. Best 3.99 I ever spent;)
Go to the public library and get free internet so you can watch youtube videos. Freetime in the library beats tabletime.
Frequent a convienance store and you may get free "green weinies" that are beyond selling.:wink:
Blackballed, how did I do?
 
First I heard of that but it's a good deal and offering.

Romines High Pockets in Milwaukee has Schons behind the counter that I think you can rent for a flat fee of $5.00. I you are considering buying one its a good way to fin out if you like them. It probably wouldnt be a bad way to market cues if you have a pool hall that sells cues, 1 or 2 of each brand you carry could be used for rentals this way, might be a good way to get customers buying from you too.
 
When I go to my local pool hall about the last thing on my mind is cost, and believe me when I tell you, I am cheap in many ways, but spending an afternoon at the hall is not one of them.

I had a table for years, and basically I used it to stay "tuned up", not for playing hour after hour by myself. I am good for an hour at most alone because it just gets flat out boring. When you play alone, there is absolutely NO pressure, and for me, that is why it gets boring quickly. It's kind of like going to the driving range in golf, It is nothing like playing the game on a real course where you are hitting over water, there are out of bounds, and so forth.

I personally go to the hall to socialize with the guys and gals that I know there. I go there for competition.I go to watch players that are a higher skill level than myself to learn. I go to match up and gamble a little if the game is decent. There are some "characters" at the hall I visit, and that shit just gets down right belly laughing funny sometimes. As a matter of fact I was there today and one guy had the entire room almost rolling on the floor.

I can tell you I used to play a lot of other sports, and pool is by far the cheapest.

Of course folks are different, but for me, hitting balls at home alone just doesn't trip my trigger for very long. I might feel different if the nearest place to play was 2 hours away, but my local hall is about 15 minutes.
 
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