Check this amazing runout video, 15 ball Honduran rotation, by Tony Sorto
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FastMikie said:
Here's the tip (Moori soft on a Joss cue) Sorto used on the featured video.
Notice that the tip is almost gone.
And if you enlarge the image a couple of times,
you can see the separation between shaft and tip.
It could have gone at any time!
He really tortures his tips, keeping them freshly roughed up
(usually after every trip to the table)
with the Ulti-Mate tip tool,
and mercilessly grinding away with the chalk on every shot,
(as you can hear on the video),
totally wearing out one tip in less than 2 months
of weekly league play (not a lot of play).
Personally, I find the condition of his gear unbearable,
but as he will tell you, in Honduras, you learn to play with
whatever is available, and that's usually a lot worse than you see here.
You can't argue with his results!
:smile:
I am one of those anal guys that has to have everything all clean and shiny and smooth. That picture made me nauseous.
Nice use of inside.Im going to try it,though I know i wont get far.
The only thing I dont understand is why he played for the bank on the 7 rather then bump the 8 and run the 7 up the rail.
The only thing I dont understand is why he played for the bank on the 7 rather then bump the 8 and run the 7 up the rail.
DogsPlayingPool said:
I'll guess that was an accident, unless he says that's the way he was playing it. Great run either way.
One thing to note is that it looks like his shot on the 3 curved in giving a thicker hit on the 3 and pushing his cueball further across the table away from the 4 to leave him in that position. If the cueball had been struck harder, it would not have curved nearly as much, he would've pocketed the 3 more cleanly with the cueball staying more in the center of the table. The cueball would have skidded less and thus killed more, probably more than enough to compensate for the extra cueball speed of a thinner cut.
It is often a better choice to use a lot of side english with no low or high to avoid these curves and make the shot results much less speed sensitive.
We played something similar a couple times when I was a kid. All I remember is it was hard and we didn't play it anymore after a couple days. Maybe I'll try it again.
I talked with Sorto today and asked him to answer a couple of questions raised about this run out:
1. Why did he play shape on the 7 to bank instead of following on into the 8 and playing the 7 down the rail?
The answer is that was a mistake! He did intend to do exactly that, and on the video you can hear him say "Not what I wanted, but I'll take what I got." A lot of this game is to take what the table gives you and just become a shot maker.
2. Was that amazing 4 ball shot with shape on the 5 intentional?
The answer is that the intention was to simply come around for the 5, either for a bank cross corner, or cross side, or even a cut down the rail. Any of those options would have been acceptable. He hit it with tons of inside english, and with a downward diagonal hit on the ball (needed because he was shooting off the rail). This type of stroke is one of his specialties.
I must have tried that shot at least 25 times this afternoon, and couldn't duplicate it. After some help from Sorto, he showed me that it had to be hit firm, with that downward diagonal hit, and good follow through. I could come into the 5 ball, but not get above it like he does in the video.
Working with Sorto on this game today must have inspired me, because I got farther in the run that any previous attempts, all the way through the 11, with a miss on the 12. My previous best was through the 9. (I got that one on video, here.) So I guess I'm making progress! Maybe another few years and I might luck into doing it myself...
1. Why did he play shape on the 7 to bank instead of following on into the 8 and playing the 7 down the rail?
The answer is that was a mistake! He did intend to do exactly that, and on the video you can hear him say "Not what I wanted, but I'll take what I got." A lot of this game is to take what the table gives you and just become a shot maker.
2. Was that amazing 4 ball shot with shape on the 5 intentional?
The answer is that the intention was to simply come around for the 5, either for a bank cross corner, or cross side, or even a cut down the rail. Any of those options would have been acceptable. He hit it with tons of inside english, and with a downward diagonal hit on the ball (needed because he was shooting off the rail). This type of stroke is one of his specialties.
I must have tried that shot at least 25 times this afternoon, and couldn't duplicate it. After some help from Sorto, he showed me that it had to be hit firm, with that downward diagonal hit, and good follow through. I could come into the 5 ball, but not get above it like he does in the video.
Working with Sorto on this game today must have inspired me, because I got farther in the run that any previous attempts, all the way through the 11, with a miss on the 12. My previous best was through the 9. (I got that one on video, here.) So I guess I'm making progress! Maybe another few years and I might luck into doing it myself...
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Great video - thanks for posting. Whenever I was in Honduras we'd play almost the same but with 3 balls on each of the short cushions and 4 balls on the long rails, instead of what you see here. As has already been said, there are probably little variations all throughout that part of the world.
Chile
I seen that game played in Santiago, Chile only on snooker tables and all balls were placedn on a rail at random and were played in rotation order. definately harder than he made it look...
I seen that game played in Santiago, Chile only on snooker tables and all balls were placedn on a rail at random and were played in rotation order. definately harder than he made it look...
jay helfert said:
If you could see the way corey does it then you would agree that this looks easy compared to coreys 15 ball run. 2 reasons why its so much harder... 1. 4 of the 15 balls you have to bank. 2. You are not allowed to touch any ball except the lowest ball on the table, that means no cueball bumping into other balls and no combos.
I'll give you and this guy a life time to do it coreys way. You got 20 years to do it.
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Can we see a table diagram of Coreys setup and a list of the rules.donny mills said:
Maybe we can turn this into some kind of prize for the first AZ member that submits video of it being done?
Either way it would be good to see as I like to challenge our top local players with stuff like this.
donny mills said:
Doing it Corey's way is definitely harder. Still it's not easy to run this no matter how you do it. I'd be more than happy to give people odds on the money trying it Corey's way.
This is a great gambling game with four of five players. I would estimate that lifetime I have made well over $3000 playing this game and that's playing it infrequently. Most of the time people quit after I bust the game for a couple hundred. Then if I get lucky the local "best player" will try to take me heads up and that's usually good for another couple hundred because everyone wants to bet on him. Luckily I never ran up against anyone who played Rafael's speed or even better than mine.
In fact, I am still owed around $600 of a $1200 score that my friend and I made while playing one guy. He was a steady customer and we kept giving him more and more weight - he was always good for the money until that last time and then we never saw him again.
Some places pay an extra bet for whoever makes the 13. Lots of variation, great shotmaking, no safeties allowed (although in heads up people play them anyway - they just don't make it obvious)
I'd LOVE to see a ring game in this format with some top level players. In my mind you could STRAIGHT UP forget about any kind of 9-ball ring game if you got this game going.
donny mills said:
You still have 6-1 the "easy" way. Okay, make it 8-1.
Samiel said:
It's points per ball. You keep the balls you make in a group somewhere and at the end of the game whoever has the most points wins. Ties split the pot.
I don't know how they draw for order as I have always just joined an ongoing game and followed the guy they told me to.
I don't know how to make a cue table diagram, but I'll just tell you how they're set up and then you can make it and I'll tell you if it is right.
If you're standing where you rack the balls then to your right you would put the 1 2 3 on each diamond before the side pocket,and then the 4 5 6 on each diamond past the side pocket, and then the 7 8 9 on each diamond on the end rail where you would break from, and then the 10 through 15 you put on the other 6 diamonds on the other side rail.
You have to run them in order, no combos, and you cant run into any balls at all not even slightest nudge. Doing it like this you will see that 4 of the balls have to be banked.
If you're standing where you rack the balls then to your right you would put the 1 2 3 on each diamond before the side pocket,and then the 4 5 6 on each diamond past the side pocket, and then the 7 8 9 on each diamond on the end rail where you would break from, and then the 10 through 15 you put on the other 6 diamonds on the other side rail.
You have to run them in order, no combos, and you cant run into any balls at all not even slightest nudge. Doing it like this you will see that 4 of the balls have to be banked.
I don't know how to make a cue table diagram, but I'll just tell you how they're set up and then you can make it and I'll tell you if it is right.
If you're standing where you rack the balls then to your right you would put the 1 2 3 on each diamond before the side pocket,and then the 4 5 6 on each diamond past the side pocket, and then the 7 8 9 on each diamond on the end rail where you would break from, and then the 10 through 15 you put on the other 6 diamonds on the other side rail.
You have to run them in order, no combos, and you cant run into any balls at all not even slightest nudge. Doing it like this you will see that 4 of the balls have to be banked.
If you're standing where you rack the balls then to your right you would put the 1 2 3 on each diamond before the side pocket,and then the 4 5 6 on each diamond past the side pocket, and then the 7 8 9 on each diamond on the end rail where you would break from, and then the 10 through 15 you put on the other 6 diamonds on the other side rail.
You have to run them in order, no combos, and you cant run into any balls at all not even slightest nudge. Doing it like this you will see that 4 of the balls have to be banked.