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Girls are rack manipulators though.
If anyone thinks a 16 year old girl or boy for that matter can beat Sky, I am sure you could win an armored car full of cash.
It's what I have been saying for years. There is no physical reason why women can't play as well as men. The only truly logical reason why they, as a group, don't is a matter of numbers. More men play and more men compete aggressively and so more men will reach the upper tiers of skill. But there is no reason why the best of the women can't be in the same league as the best of the men.<--Aha,..but the number of women that bowl, or play tennis is almost equal, right?..Yet no women ever has, or ever will ever dominate those sports over men..Ever!
..I was told straight out that Rodney Morris could get a game for $500,000 if he wanted to play heads up in the Philippines. The money is there for sure. You might not like how it was made but it is there...
Hi John, its just me again, questioning your logic! ..Who 'told you' the 500K was there, (for sure)?..Why do you always insist on throwing around unrealistic numbers?..And why would you pick Morris, as being the best we have to offer?.. Is Shane now just 'chopped liver'? ..Also, Efren is in the twilight of his career..lots of youngsters in many different places, can give him weight now!
Also, you have always been a strong supporter of women's pool skills, being potentially equal to that of men's...That will never be the case EVER..Sure, there will always be 'some' women, who can beat 'some' men..Why is that even relevant?..The chances of a women, dominating the sport/game of pool, are about as likely as they are in football or baseball..ZERO!..
It has nothing to do with physical strength, but it has everything to do with other intangibles ..Namely, pool room type exposure at an early age, gambling attitude, timidity, and most important..Male aggressivness and dominance in all hand-eye related endeavors!..Been that way forever, and until we crown a woman, heavyweight champion of the world..it will stay that way!..I don't think the ladies really want it any different!
PS..I hate to always be the one pointing out your personal opinions, as being obviously just that.."YOURS"! ..You will never be, the ultimate authority on all things pool related..Get over it!
It is actually interesting that Chezka is now the highest rated female, given that she was eliminated 1st round of the elimination stage in China.
How can this be?
She played three matches
7 - 2 win group stage
7 - 1 win group stage
8 - 9 loss elimination stage
overall record for the tournament 22 wins 12 loses.
But the devil is in the details
The 7-2 win was to basically unrated player Sollip Choi
The 7-1 win was to eventual tournament winner Han Yu
The 8-9 loss was to eventual tournament winner Han Yu as well
So in getting bumped out early, Chezka played 25 games against the woman who is now the second best female player in the world (rating 770, 40 points above Karen Corr), winning 15 and losing 10.
Also Dick, I don't know how may women bowl or play tennis. But what I do know is that in both of those sports the women don't compete against the men. Tennis is certainly more physical and the serve speed of the men is on average much faster if I remember right.
Bowling? Will never dominate? Here is a woman who won a major title and had to "earn" the right to even be allowed to compete with the men. http://abcnews.go.com/WN/kelly-kulick-woman-win-professional-bowling-tournament/story?id=9657578
You may say well these are just anomalies....but the fact remains that all "firsts" are considered to anomalies until they become common. Once upon a time all the world's experts were sure than no human being could run a mile in under four minutes. Now you can't even really start to be competitive in high school track unless you can run a mile in under four minutes.
Now that we have fargo ratings to more accurately measure performance maybe someday we will be able to see how well they hold up when men and women are allowed to compete equally. Mike Page did an analysis of Karen Corr's Fargo Rate for games ONLY against men vs. her Fargo Rate for games ONLY against women and the difference was one point if I remember correctly. And what recently happened? Karen took second to Jayson Shaw at the Turning Stone event proving that her Fargo Rating is accurate as she played consistent with her rating as one of the best players alive.....the balls don't know her gender.
This reminds me of a FargoRate issue I've been wondering about. It seems to me that Fargo may give undue weight to lopsided wins and undervalue close (say hill-hill) wins. Some players seem to steam-roll opponents when on a roll, whereas some champions seem to win a ton of close matches en route to a title.
Let's say Alex and Jayson started with the same Fargo rating. They enter a single elimination tournament and Jayson runs over his opponents 11-2, 11-3, 11-1 and 11-5, before losing 10-11 to Alex in the semis. Alex wins his matches 11-7, 11-8, 11-9, 11-9, then beats Jayson 11-10 and wins the finals 11-10.
If each of Alex's and Jayson's opponents had the same rating (in each round), doesn't this mean that Jayson comes out of the event with a higher rating?
Perhaps this happens several tournaments in a row - Jayson runs over opponents before losing a close match to Alex, whereas Alex wins a bunch of matches hill-hill but wins the event.
Gideon-Rating (TM) would rate Alex higher than Jayson in that circumstance, but I think Fargo does the opposite.
Is this correct? If so, do you consider it a limitation of Fargo's accuracy or not?
....Now that we have fargo ratings to more accurately measure performance maybe someday we will be able to see how well they hold up when men and women are allowed to compete equally. Mike Page did an analysis of Karen Corr's Fargo Rate for games ONLY against men vs. her Fargo Rate for games ONLY against women and the difference was one point if I remember correctly. And what recently happened? Karen took second to Jayson Shaw at the Turning Stone event proving that her Fargo Rating is accurate as she played consistent with her rating as one of the best players alive.....the balls don't know her gender.
Slow down John, you're getting ahead of yourself. Any high schooler that can run a four minute mile will probably be the national champion! There's only been a few who have ever done it.
About Chezka, Dennis is here now and he said she is already better than Rubilen Amit, previously the Philippines greatest woman player. He said she is the near equal of the best Chinese women as well, but still has some things to learn about playing in competition. He is high on her game. She's actually 17 now. Getting old!