Chicago Canceled
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Eydie, the IPT and... blah blah blah
As I have read for the last couple weeks, I look back on a few things... I was a big supporter of this tour, I work in the industry and pushed and pushed to be a sponsor. Man am i glad he didnt give me the time of day, a conversation, a meeting NOTHING!! Phone call after phone call, angle over angle to get to Deno. JUST to talk in general about what was transpiring in the beginning, how to be involved etc... I got what Eydie is getting, What Mike Panozzo recv'd, a bunch of crap!! I wanted to attend this Chicago tourney, I knew it was going to flop though, were too close to show time and nothing is said, just open ended questions.
I learned this, DENO, led by KT made an ass of this Tour with his inflated ego. We had a phone conversation where he made me feel like a shlep, he does the same to Eydie now, no calls no respect!! NO RESPECT for a single pool enthusiast at this point. I feel bad for his children, a new born and his wife. He put his neck on the wrong line and they suffer. Hope ya got paid big duckets.
Eydie and Bob promote, support and work their ASSES off for this Industry. We all know this though, theyve proven! I feel for her to have to take a gulp before she starts typing!! ~im sure she does~
Us, we see her post and we say "oh boy, here we go." Why? Cuz she tells the truth, shes the "NO SPIN ZONE" here. Eydie, change your screen name to O'Reilly!! LOL I enjoy the words that you present, nothing out of context, just facts, cold facts. This time, she may say "rumored" but put the puzzle together people... This is very sad to see happening to an industry that keeps taking hit after hit. I am a player, I support the players even if the Industry wont allow me too, I still do. Its a battle most wont understand cuz were neck deep in playing!
Shawn and Charlie... Im very very upset/salty of their current position. I hope and pray for Charlie to stay involved!! Im calling him today to talk. I want to call Deno but ill lose my mind if I heard his voice mail!!!! I hope Shawn gets well too!
As I have read for the last couple weeks, I look back on a few things... I was a big supporter of this tour, I work in the industry and pushed and pushed to be a sponsor. Man am i glad he didnt give me the time of day, a conversation, a meeting NOTHING!! Phone call after phone call, angle over angle to get to Deno. JUST to talk in general about what was transpiring in the beginning, how to be involved etc... I got what Eydie is getting, What Mike Panozzo recv'd, a bunch of crap!! I wanted to attend this Chicago tourney, I knew it was going to flop though, were too close to show time and nothing is said, just open ended questions.
I learned this, DENO, led by KT made an ass of this Tour with his inflated ego. We had a phone conversation where he made me feel like a shlep, he does the same to Eydie now, no calls no respect!! NO RESPECT for a single pool enthusiast at this point. I feel bad for his children, a new born and his wife. He put his neck on the wrong line and they suffer. Hope ya got paid big duckets.
Eydie and Bob promote, support and work their ASSES off for this Industry. We all know this though, theyve proven! I feel for her to have to take a gulp before she starts typing!! ~im sure she does~
Us, we see her post and we say "oh boy, here we go." Why? Cuz she tells the truth, shes the "NO SPIN ZONE" here. Eydie, change your screen name to O'Reilly!! LOL I enjoy the words that you present, nothing out of context, just facts, cold facts. This time, she may say "rumored" but put the puzzle together people... This is very sad to see happening to an industry that keeps taking hit after hit. I am a player, I support the players even if the Industry wont allow me too, I still do. Its a battle most wont understand cuz were neck deep in playing!
Shawn and Charlie... Im very very upset/salty of their current position. I hope and pray for Charlie to stay involved!! Im calling him today to talk. I want to call Deno but ill lose my mind if I heard his voice mail!!!! I hope Shawn gets well too!
Blue_chalk
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cuetique said:
You may be right. People on here have made fun of IPT supporters saying we were blind sheep and such. However, I don't believe that to be the case. I think most of us just wanted it to be true so badly that we reconciled obvious signs of problems. I heard all the promises. Never really believing them to be true but at the same time secretly hoping they were.
We all know who Kevin Trudeau was and is today. Nobody pulled anything over our eyes. We came into it willingly because we had a chance to take part in something special. Why isn't anyone else able to admit this?
There are those waiting for the IPTs demise so they can dance on its grave. Why? Just because they have been saying all along that it would die. Congratulations...it looks like you can start lacing up your tap dance shoes.
Still Depressed And Waiting For A MIRACLE
I'd like to think that I'm representative of many here. I (we) want for the IPT to be successful more than anything, for pool as well as the players. They problem we have is with a known liar and conman being at the helm. The problems with the payout in Reno and the 'unchecked Saturday box' simply reinforced our belief of KT's manipulative ways. We 'expect' the IPT to fail because of KT, but aren't likely to jump for joy or say "I (we) told you so."
This whole ordeal has been frustrating, painful, demeaning and brought out the worst in some of us.... dammit !
Doug
( I've tried to deal with it through humor, but quite frankly, that hasn't worked )
Blue_chalk said:
I'd like to think that I'm representative of many here. I (we) want for the IPT to be successful more than anything, for pool as well as the players. They problem we have is with a known liar and conman being at the helm. The problems with the payout in Reno and the 'unchecked Saturday box' simply reinforced our belief of KT's manipulative ways. We 'expect' the IPT to fail because of KT, but aren't likely to jump for joy or say "I (we) told you so."
This whole ordeal has been frustrating, painful, demeaning and brought out the worst in some of us.... dammit !
Doug
( I've tried to deal with it through humor, but quite frankly, that hasn't worked )
The only real message the naysayers tried to convey for these several months is simple: KT is a credit risk. Don't take his words at face value. His account needs to be COD, no terms.
KT should have been kept on the defensive, PROVING his integrity from the get-go. Instead, he was given carte blanche by the obsequious clique that showered uncritical adoration on him. He flashed money, made grandiose promises, and took a lot of people in.
That's his game, and he has played it to win.
KT should have been kept on the defensive, PROVING his integrity from the get-go. Instead, he was given carte blanche by the obsequious clique that showered uncritical adoration on him. He flashed money, made grandiose promises, and took a lot of people in.
That's his game, and he has played it to win.
Smorgass Bored said:
Good comes from mistakes, and now that we know what "could" of happened, that alone gives me hope that it "may" happen sooner than later. We have all see new businesses built and go under, another new tenant moves into the structure & they also fail, till someone finally enters the building with a solid business plan, work ethic and a good support group and it becomes a success, it happens every day. I think this BAD may be GOOD in the short term. IsDr
Cancelling Chicago may still not mean the end of the IPT. They may just come back next year with smaller payouts and still become a good tour. KT may not be willing to pay out the large $$ without a way to make the money back. Everything here is speculation. I have talked to a IPT pro who feels everything is going to work out, so who knows. Kevin claimed many times to already have the money put up for the 2006 and 2007 season. If the IPT does not pay Reno $$ I would think he will face tons of lawsuits from the players, because of his personal verbal guarantees. I would think the top 100 season 2006 players would also sue for the $100,000 minimum promised for 2007. These numbers were not presented as speculation but guarantees. I do hope all turns around and the IPT is a success.
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Blue_chalk said:
I can only speak for myself but I will not be jumping up and down if it is announced the IPT has folded, but I will not be surprised either. No one was rooting for it's failure. The tone was certainly set by KT from the start and the heavy handed ways he wanted to run it. At first it was just accepted because it's his money and he can do what he wants so the players kowtowed to his every wimm and demand.
The biggest problem from the start was that everything they did was experimental and that was fine since they claimed to be completely funded. If it doesn't go well from the start they have the money and time to fix what ever was not proving to work. That, it would seem now, was not the case. Many like myself did not believe they had the money to do what they proposed from the start and their vision began to get ridiculous. Everyday they would make up an new name for a tournament, Japan Open, Australian Open and so on and put them on the list.
Everything they were doing began to look more and more like window dressing with no substance and we said so. They were spinning out of control almost at the beginning and in no time what little funding they had they pissed away and now they are at this point. I think people like me and I believe some others biggest complaints have been, this thing didn't necessarily HAVE to fail. It may not have been the Super Duper tour they imagined but some real nice good paying tournaments could have been produced and they would have started the ground work for a real future. I don't in my wildest dreams think KT had any plans for anything long term, I don't honestly know what he planed.
He said he had a 20 year history of building successful companies worth billions when all you had to do was research his past and you found a string of crazy failures. The Naturel Cures book may have been his only real success and that only lasted a few years and is now in the tank. I think he has been BSing so much of his life his thinking hasn't caught up with the Internet and peoples ability to do research. My naysaying was based on, what from the very start, was an almost insane idea by a guy with a history of insane ideas, nothing to do with rooting for failure or wishing anything bad on pool players. There was nothing wrong with them going along with it, why not, but I think most of them in their heart of hearts had to be looking at it it some point and wondering how this could possibility work. I can't say I ever imagined they would get stiffed if that is what ends up happening.
I just thought there would be an announcement they were closing down and that would be that. No glee here believe me, but no surprise either. You will hear no "I told you so's" from me. I'll tell you something funny, it did inspire me a little. I have put on quite a few tournaments in the past. Small but I put up the money and hopefully break even but no big deal. I honestly have been kicking around the idea of doing something like the US Open, just one tournament a year in like the $200,000 range or so maybe more. It would be fun, I would put up the money and I think I have a few ideas where I could recover my investment to the break even point or keep the loss as low as possible.
I think the IPT may have inspired a few others as well who like the sport and may want to do something. I really want to learn as much as I can about on line video and live broadcasting on the net. I think that is where the future could be, not common broadcast stations. I just saw an interview with one of the top directors, might have been Spielberg and he was saying that is where they were putting a lot of their resources. First run movies released on the Internet. Cut out all the middle men, theater owners, distributors, everything done in house.
They will make hundreds on millions in a few nights, more then they would make maybe in years normally and they keep most of it. People are buying huge TV's everyday and have complete media centers in their homes, this is the future, I would not want to be a theater owner in 10 years. Anyway this is where I see pool, not on ESPN. I see a tournament with multiple cameras you can switch to. Watch different matches, watch and listen to the practice room, hear live interviews and all from the comfort of your home almost as good as being there and all for a small fee. This is what I see and I think it will come to pass at some point.
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I certainly hope for the sake of the players that the rumour of Chicago's cancellation is false, but given the recent events ongoing with the IPT it wouldn't really surprise me if it was true either. If it does indeed turn out to be true I hope all the fans that bought tickets have no problem getting a full refund, the IPT has angered enough players/fans as it is.
P.S.
Power to you Eydie for letting us know what you have heard, you have better sources and connections than most people which allows you to give us a bit of an inside scoop, this is much appreciated.
P.S.
Power to you Eydie for letting us know what you have heard, you have better sources and connections than most people which allows you to give us a bit of an inside scoop, this is much appreciated.
god, you are completely wrong here.
prozac is one of the dirtiest drugs on the market. valium has few interactions with anything.
they aren't even remotely similar in any way.
This is like saying cheesburgers are bad for you, busses are slow.
prozac is one of the dirtiest drugs on the market. valium has few interactions with anything.
they aren't even remotely similar in any way.
This is like saying cheesburgers are bad for you, busses are slow.
Johnnyt said:
I walked into the bar/poolroom this afternoon and two guys asked me if I heard about the IPT.
One had the Oct issue of BD and was talking about this rich guy worth 6Billion that is going to buy the IPT.
The other guy said he heard that the players will be paid in a week.
The rest of the crowd had no idea what the IPT is.
Just goes to show you that pool players are not the most informed bunch.
Jake
One had the Oct issue of BD and was talking about this rich guy worth 6Billion that is going to buy the IPT.
The other guy said he heard that the players will be paid in a week.
The rest of the crowd had no idea what the IPT is.
Just goes to show you that pool players are not the most informed bunch.
Jake
jjinfla said:
I think they, the local players, are just down stream. The room owners are uninformed as well. Few even subscribe to the billiard magazines or have players pictures on the walls. The pool rooms should be the conduit to the average players for what is going on in the sport, instead they are a missing link. Beyond the fanatic, the sport exists in a vacuum. I don't know how the average player could be expected to know anything?
I am not sure the last time I saw a result of a tournament in a news paper. I was told by one sports editor he never recalled even getting a result from a professional pool tournament on the wire, if he did he probably would have printed it. There is plenty of blame to be spread around for the obscurity of the sport as a sport.
The One...<<You can bet your pay cheque he wont fold it, >>
Better be a SMALL paycheck! Where do you think some supposed $100k per week is going to continue to come from?
The only way you MIGHT be correct...IMHO...is if the IPT files for proetction under Chapter 11 of the bankruptcy code which allows entities to continue doing business, for a while.... while blowing away most debt to most creditors.
Those who are also knowledgable about the law, PLEASE NOTE that the above is an intentional GROSS SIMPLIFICATION of the complexities of the bankruptcy law intended only to make a general point.
Regards,
Jim
Better be a SMALL paycheck! Where do you think some supposed $100k per week is going to continue to come from?
The only way you MIGHT be correct...IMHO...is if the IPT files for proetction under Chapter 11 of the bankruptcy code which allows entities to continue doing business, for a while.... while blowing away most debt to most creditors.
Those who are also knowledgable about the law, PLEASE NOTE that the above is an intentional GROSS SIMPLIFICATION of the complexities of the bankruptcy law intended only to make a general point.
Regards,
Jim
av84fun said:
a) Because he's been doing in for the last 50+ days, probably much LONGER since he 100% knew BEFORE Reno that he couldn't pay the players but he went ahead anyway. He's created the carrot/dream and amazingly players are still paying 2k to chase it. People are still paying, 100k this week alone despite NOT paying for 50+ days!!! WTF! What does he gain from closing shop as opposed to postponing events and more spin?
b) Is his past suggest that he would rather cut of his ears than stop collecting revenue, whether his business has stopped, you've cancelled or any other valid reason.
My guess is another email (I know I know I'm psychic!) full of spin. Something like the US government had really created problems for this deal and given all outstanding cheques are relying on this deal going through its in everyones interest to postpone it. But this deal is going to be mega huge and 2007 will be bigger and better than sliced bread. (Oh so don't give up, keep going to the qualifiers until mid Decemeber)
Just my feelings of course but don't see him admitting defeat anytime soon...
Jimk said:
Yeah, I couldn't see ever trusting his word even if he paid. By your above statement you are being awfully nice to that poster.