Chinese cues and lead paint

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mantis99

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With all the recalls with chinese made toys, does anyone worry about lead paint in the imported pool cues?
 
mantis99 said:
With all the recalls with chinese made toys, does anyone worry about lead paint in the imported pool cues?
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You should be more worried about the lead they use in chalk.
 
Better yet, just ban all the imports and we won't have to worry about it anymore. I bet the American cuemakers agree huh ? ;) ...Tom

P.S. I'm not a cuemaker but I support a couple of 'em :rolleyes:
 
there's no lead in chalk, at least none that tweeten's makes (master's, triangle, etc.)
 
Obviously you wouldn't eat it, but I would not want a lead based paint in my hands for long periods of time either.
 
"Master green chalk, made in Chicago, tested as high as 8,000 parts per million of lead, and Pioneer green chalk, made in Taipei, Taiwan, exceeded 7,000 ppm. By comparison, lead-based paint, which was discontinued for use in housing in 1978, has a standard lead content of 5,000 ppm."

Other brands tested in the Samaritan study were found to contain either no lead or very insignificant traces of lead. Those include Imperial and National Tournament brands of green chalk, Superior, Triangle and National Tournament brands of orange chalk and all brands of blue chalk tested.

That comes from this website:

http://wc.arizona.edu/~wildcat/papers/old-wildcats/spring95/February/February27,1995/01_3_m.html


This is why the founder of Silvercup made chalk without lead in it. It was essentially the same basic compounds and pigment as Masters minus the lead!
 
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If there's any sort of a finish over *anything* with lead paint, you're fine. Mostly.

A common misconception is that developmental disorders and health problems that occur due to lead-based paint arise from eating the paint chips. Really, most of the problems with lead paint is from ingestion of dust from lead paint when it starts to deteriorate over time. It's not that kids have an affinity for eating paint chips. They touch things (in the case of houses with lead paint, walls that are deteriorating) and then stick hands and everything else in their mouth.

Anyway: if the cue has a finish over it (assuming it even has lead paint) then all is fine for pool and health purposes. This is a pool cue, not a house. No dust or "chips" will ever be exposed to air and won't be ingested/inhaled/whatever.

An albeit short-term solution, even houses with lead-based paints can be painted over with non lead-based paints to be innocuous.

Cues shouldn't be a worry. They have a finish on them. And even if they didn't, only a small proportion of lead can be absorbed through the skin compared through ingestion. Like Jude said, worry about the chalk.
 
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I always thought pool players were crazy, but was unaware the reason for it until now!
 
StevenPWaldon said:
If there's any sort of a finish over *anything* with lead paint, you're fine. Mostly.

A common misconception is that developmental disorders and health problems that occur due to lead-based paint arise from eating the paint chips. Really, most of the problems with lead paint is from ingestion of dust from lead paint when it starts to deteriorate over time. It's not that kids have an affinity for eating paint chips. They touch things (in the case of houses with lead paint, walls that are deteriorating) and then stick hands and everything else in their mouth.

Anyway: if the cue has a finish over it (assuming it even has lead paint) then all is fine for pool and health purposes. This is a pool cue, not a house. No dust or "chips" will ever be exposed to air and won't be ingested/inhaled/whatever.

An albeit short-term solution, even houses with lead-based paints can be painted over with non lead-based paints to be innocuous.

Cues shouldn't be a worry. They have a finish on them. And even if they didn't, only a small proportion of lead can be absorbed through the skin compared through ingestion. Like Jude said, worry about the chalk.
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Ya should have mentioned that to Zhang Shuhong a few days ago.

Dave

<edit :eek: 2999 posts, next one will be a nice round base-10 whole number, but I won't care :p )
 
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txplshrk said:
"Master green chalk, made in Chicago, tested as high as 8,000 parts per million of lead, and Pioneer green chalk, made in Taipei, Taiwan, exceeded 7,000 ppm. By comparison, lead-based paint, which was discontinued for use in housing in 1978, has a standard lead content of 5,000 ppm."

Other brands tested in the Samaritan study were found to contain either no lead or very insignificant traces of lead. Those include Imperial and National Tournament brands of green chalk, Superior, Triangle and National Tournament brands of orange chalk and all brands of blue chalk tested.

That comes from this website:

http://wc.arizona.edu/~wildcat/papers/old-wildcats/spring95/February/February27,1995/01_3_m.html


This is why the founder of Silvercup made chalk without lead in it. It was essentially the same basic compounds and pigment as Masters minus the lead!
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Just don't chalk your tongue and you'll be all right.
 
jay helfert said:
Just don't chalk your tongue and you'll be all right.
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That's tuff one though, a lot of people around here shoot with their tongue.:p :eek: :D :D
 
Lead??

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txplshrk said:
"Master green chalk, made in Chicago, tested as high as 8,000 parts per million of lead, and Pioneer green chalk, made in Taipei, Taiwan, exceeded 7,000 ppm. By comparison, lead-based paint, which was discontinued for use in housing in 1978, has a standard lead content of 5,000 ppm."

Other brands tested in the Samaritan study were found to contain either no lead or very insignificant traces of lead. Those include Imperial and National Tournament brands of green chalk, Superior, Triangle and National Tournament brands of orange chalk and all brands of blue chalk tested.

That comes from this website:

http://wc.arizona.edu/~wildcat/papers/old-wildcats/spring95/February/February27,1995/01_3_m.html


This is why the founder of Silvercup made chalk without lead in it. It was essentially the same basic compounds and pigment as Masters minus the lead!
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I always carry my chalk in my pocket, Is that why my Viagra doesn't work?
 
I e-mailed tweeten regarding lead in their chalk, and the below message was their response.

Hi Bill:

I'd be interested to know where you came across information that "Master tested well over the limit for lead".

None of our chalk products contains lead or anything toxic, and our chalk is on file with poison control.

So if you wouldn't mind telling me where you received this false information so that we can put a stop to it I would appreciate it.

Cheers,
Tweeten
 
txplshrk said:
"Master green chalk, made in Chicago, tested as high as 8,000 parts per million of lead, and Pioneer green chalk, made in Taipei, Taiwan, exceeded 7,000 ppm. By comparison, lead-based paint, which was discontinued for use in housing in 1978, has a standard lead content of 5,000 ppm."

Other brands tested in the Samaritan study were found to contain either no lead or very insignificant traces of lead. Those include Imperial and National Tournament brands of green chalk, Superior, Triangle and National Tournament brands of orange chalk and all brands of blue chalk tested.

That comes from this website:

http://wc.arizona.edu/~wildcat/papers/old-wildcats/spring95/February/February27,1995/01_3_m.html


This is why the founder of Silvercup made chalk without lead in it. It was essentially the same basic compounds and pigment as Masters minus the lead!
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anybody notice this study is 12 years old ?? I'm 58 years old and haven't suffered any ill effects. ;) Tweeten says they have no lead,,,let's see a study made in this century (e.g. current)....

can't wait til somebody ties this in to Iraq or global warming...:p
 
Jack Flanagan said:
anybody notice this study is 12 years old ?? I'm 58 years old and haven't suffered any ill effects. ;) Tweeten says they have no lead,,,let's see a study made in this century (e.g. current)....

can't wait til somebody ties this in to Iraq or global warming...:p
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Yeah, I did and it was only the GREEN chalks that showed the lead, not blue. I suspect the lead came from the yellow pigment added to the blue to make it green. If I remember correctly some of the yellow pigments are lead chromate based.

This has been blown out of proportion just like the paint on the toys. Anybody over 30 years old today for sure played with toys with lead in the paint and parts that you could swallow, rode a bike without a helmet, roller skated without pads ,and did many other fun things that are now "too dangerous".
 
That other link I posted is supposed to be an up to date link that started 1994, and is current to 2007!


http://www.leadsafeby2010.org/LinkClick.aspx?link=Lead_Recalls_List.pdf&tabid=94


I have also seen tweeten say they don't have anything harmful in their chalk however, I have never seen them post what is actually in it! For some reason it is some big secret! Is it that they don't want the competitors to know what is in it? Or they don't want consumers to know what is in it?

Also it stated that the other colors didn't have enough traces of lead to appear to be harmful by the standards set by law. In other words it still tested positive for lead!

Masters may not have lead in it any more, but remember the old question about why we use blue chalk on green felt? Maybe the reason began with the fact that people were making a big deal about the lead in the green chalk!

Just a thought! I don't care anyway because when I got serious in playing I liked silver cup chalk better anyway.
 
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For what it's worth!

Here is the email that I received back from Tweeten.
When this surfaced over ten years ago, we sent our products to the testing facility to have it tested. The results were that our products contained less lead then a glass of tap water. We have no idea where they got the "chalk" that they originally tested that showed high levels, but we felt at the time they must have tested some counterfeit product from China, since the other brand that they mentioned from China also contained high amounts.

Pigment is the only possible source of lead and at the time we started using pigments that do not contain any toxic or harmful substances, including lead.

As for the contents of our chalk, without giving away trade secrets.....our chalk is primarily sand. There is nothing in any of our brands of chalk or colors that contains anything harmful or toxic.

I hope this answers your questions.

Cheers,
Tweeten
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I like the part that says at the time we started using pigments that do not conatin any toxic or harmful substances!

I also like the part that says they won't give away trade secrets.

You can tell someone all the ingredients that are in your product without telling how it is made, so I don't see why that is such a big issue.

I don't really care if it has lead or it doesn't have lead. I just know that I like Silver cup better anyway.

I just thought this email was useful, and everyone can make their own conclusions or assumptions about it.

We have a right to know, and knowledge is power!
 
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