Chris Mellings thoughts on SVB

If you found that insulting I have to wonder which pool halls you have been in. He said Van Boening is one of the best in the world.

Obviously I didn't find that insulting. I was referring to what he said about racking. That he (SVB) only knows how to rack better than him. Do you get it now? Or do I have to break it down Barney Style while you wear a helmet for you to understand?
 
Some things should be a SECRET!

I hope Shane continues to keep the "mystery" of racking just that. If opponents think that he is doing something to the rack, they will continue to think about that, rather than playing their own game. (Edge to SVB):D
JoeyA

Its FANTASY!!!! There nothing going on with the rack!! They are all jealous because they cant break like him, that all there is to it!
 
All of that is absolutely bang on. Ironically, the game being discussed here was settled through SVBs better safety & breaking IIRC.

Whilst british players are infinitely superior cueists to their american rivals, they do not have 20 years of breaking experience behind them. The safety element of american pool is such a joke to be an irrelevance when it comes to discussing who the best players are.

Since you're now unbanned, gonna have to comment on this.

Uh, yea, breaking is an important skill unto itself, much like the drive in golf. British players coming from snooker are basically golfers who have good short games but can't drive the ball further than 200 yards nor do they have the strokes to hit a 3 iron 190 yards out buried in the rough (the equivalent in pool would something like the Corey Deuel stroke shot in the Mosconi Cup).

As for the safety play, it's more demanding in 9 ball. You can play distance 99% percent of the time in snooker and be completely safe. In 9 ball, if you don't lock up, you could be dead, especially against kick masters like Efren and other Filipinos, or against creative shotmakers like Earl and Deuel. The harder shotmaking of snooker is exactly why it's easier to play safe in comparison to offensive oriented games like 9 and 10 ball.

Watching Chinese 8 ball, the defensive play was a joke, and worse yet, it's less likely a player gets punished for sloppy defensive mistakes if his opponent's balls lay tough relative to the table, like near the rail.

The whole tighter pockets=harder game is about the stupidest argument in the cue sport world. Bigger pockets just means more opportunities for your opponent to run racks and run out from difficult positions. A table with bigger pockets means you're never safe and requires you to be more attentive to your defensive play, and even your offensive game, because one miss could sit you down for 3 or 4 racks and possibly more.

People who cite the bigger pocket argument must only play against the ghost. In that scenario, sure, bigger pockets=easier game, but most of us like to play against others.
 
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humm chris 2 world titles , shane how many ?

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BTW, shane just lost his 2nd match. He's now out of the China Open.
 
Since you're now unbanned, gonna have to comment on this.

Uh, yea, breaking is an important skill unto itself, much like the drive in golf. British players coming from snooker are basically golfers who have good short games but can't drive the ball further than 200 yards nor do they have the strokes to hit a 3 iron 190 yards out buried in the rough (the equivalent in pool would something like the Corey Deuel stroke shot in the Mosconi Cup).

As for the safety play, it's more demanding in 9 ball. You can play distance 99% percent of the time in snooker and be completely safe. In 9 ball, if you don't lock up, you could be dead, especially against kick masters like Efren and other Filipinos, or against creative shotmakers like Earl and Deuel. The harder shotmaking of snooker is exactly why it's easier to play safe in comparison to offensive oriented games like 9 and 10 ball.

Watching Chinese 8 ball, the defensive play was a joke, and worse yet, it's less likely a player gets punished for sloppy defensive mistakes if his opponent's balls lay tough relative to the table, like near the rail.

The whole tighter pockets=harder game is about the stupidest argument in the cue sport world. Bigger pockets just means more opportunities for your opponent to run racks and run out from difficult positions. A table with bigger pockets means you're never safe and requires you to be more attentive to your defensive play, and even your offensive game, because one miss could sit you down for 3 or 4 racks and possibly more.

People who cite the bigger pocket argument must only play against the ghost. In that scenario, sure, bigger pockets=easier game, but most of us like to play against others.
Good points!

I'd add that kicking is a very important part of the safety game. I get smashed in this aspect which leads to a 20% disadvantage. It's amazing how often top players exchange a few kicks and safes before one of them gets a clear shot.

If I had to make a living in the game I'd spend thousands of hours on it, but it would be under sufferance. It's almost as intolerable as practicing hard up snookers.

They're skills no doubt, just not the type that inspire me.

Cheers,
Colin
 
Met him briefly at last year's MC in blackpool. He seemed like a nice guy, but definitely had a disdain for Earl. Don't think he said anything bad about Shane, but I'm American so who knows what he really thought.

In the video, he just said that he thought he could win with neutral racking. Anyone at that level should believe in themselves. It's not insulting IMO.
 
I can't be the only one who is sick and f***in tired of this rack talk garbage (not op or AZ but in general). Fix it. Get rid of pattern racking by having 2 ball in back and then breaker blind draws a template and that's how rest are racked. Magic rack with 9 on the spot. Players or ref rolls balls in and no touching. Whatever (if any) gaps stay. Or surely someone (preferably smarter than I) has a better system. I think Shane is better but let's level playing field and really see.

It becomes laughable at people defending their side of the racking situation by insulting 2 great pool players. Seriously.
 
Humm Chris 2 world titles , Shane how many ?

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Sir Sterling Moss is considered to be one of the greatest, if not the greatest, race car driver of all time. Never won the World Formula One Championship. How can he possibly rate that high without the world title? Humm?

Lyn
 
Sir Sterling Moss is considered to be one of the greatest, if not the greatest, race car driver of all time. Never won the World Formula One Championship. How can he possibly rate that high without the world title? Humm?

Lyn

Reminds me of a story....not sure if it's true...:cool:

Mick Jagger broke down on the M1....he tried to flag down the first car for help..
...it was Sir Sterling....who drove right on by.

Apparently, a rolling Moss gathers no Stone.


...will this get me banned? :eek:
 
I'm curious to see if Shane can 4-peat at the U.S. Open this year with the breaking conditions that will be used. They're using the Outsville accu-rack and break box.
 
Reminds me of a story....not sure if it's true...:cool:

Mick Jagger broke down on the M1....he tried to flag down the first car for help..
...it was Sir Sterling....who drove right on by.

Apparently, a rolling Moss gathers no Stone.


...will this get me banned? :eek:

In my humble opinion, YES!!!!! :speechless::scratchhead::outtahere:

Lyn
 
All of that is absolutely bang on. Ironically, the game being discussed here was settled through SVBs better safety & breaking IIRC.

Whilst british players are infinitely superior cueists to their american rivals, they do not have 20 years of breaking experience behind them. The safety element of american pool is such a joke to be an irrelevance when it comes to discussing who the best players are.

Who is your best player because I'm a really great player, I'm not kidding I really am a great player and my Uncle makes the 8 on the break every time!!

.......Corey Deuel road days😀
 
I was watching the World Pool Masters match between Melling and SVB. Before the match both players are getting interviewed. I found what Chris Melling says kind of a insulting. But it made me wonder, do most Europeans feel the same way towards SVB? Listen to what he says right around the 3 minute mark.

http://youtu.be/b5bNceN12kY

If I were Chris I would just work on my break shot, then he doesn't have to be concerned with what anyone else is doing... Great player BTW!!!
 
Good points!

I'd add that kicking is a very important part of the safety game. I get smashed in this aspect which leads to a 20% disadvantage. It's amazing how often top players exchange a few kicks and safes before one of them gets a clear shot.

If I had to make a living in the game I'd spend thousands of hours on it, but it would be under sufferance. It's almost as intolerable as practicing hard up snookers.

They're skills no doubt, just not the type that inspire me.

Cheers,
Colin
And neither should they. This is the point; snookers in pool are cheap. They should be banned. The break should be too. Then we'll see the cream rise to the top. Players like SVB have learned a way to win, a way that should not be allowed. It affords inferior players a chance to win, and that cannot be right for any game that seeks credibility.

Let's see melling and SVB duke it out on the table, with no rigged games. Melling would murder him.
 
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