CJ defeats Earl and a Special Thanks to this Forum

wayne said:
No 'hero'. He has just said a few things over the years that I was able to implement that made me a better player.<--If you can understand anything he says, you would be of NO use as an interpreter! ..Neither of his cartoons made any sense at all, in relating to the subject at hand ! ..(as usual :sorry:)

I have to get over to your neck of the woods someday to play some of the guys. I have never played Bernie and I think that would be a good challenge.
I've watched you on Youtube, you have a decent game !..Bernie was my favorite pupil, for many lessons (before I got to old to stand up)..I/we would love to see you come and play him some ! ;)

I played Trey right after he sent Daulton to the loser side at the US Open and he had me down 2 games to zero and I hadn't shot at my hole. He was in the process of running out the 3rd game and got an unfortunate scratch. Everything went my way after that and I beat him 4-2. He is a class act.

I beat Gus Briseno twice at the US Open but he finished 1 game up in a gambling match in Santa Monica. I think I played him in Vegas once but I believe we came out even (not sure).

Scott is too good for me and I never liked getting spotted.

I wish you were 20 years younger so we could play some heads up. <--I would settle for 10 yrs. ago, Wayne !..When I was only 70, I was giving both Gus and Tres 9/7 :cool: (if thats who you mean by 'Trey'..big, heavy retired fireman ?)

Cheers, Wayne
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Hi Wayne,

I can see why you relate so well to Mr. Wiley..You got a little 'brag' in you too, don't you ? ;)...You even brought out the 'chirp' in me, a little ! :p..Get over here and play somebody sumpin' ! :cool:

Best to ya, Dick (or, as you refer to me, 'negative a..hole guy') :wink:
 
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JoeyA said:
I'm right-handed and I, like you, use my instep or ball of my right foot and place it on the shot line unless circumstances won't allow it.

Sometimes, I find my cue too close to my right hip and I move my left foot to the left to pull my body away from the cue, giving some clearance.

Occasionally I line up my right foot and left foot too close together and have to make a physical effort to spread my feet further apart in order to have what I feel is a comfortable lane for my cue to move in.

Each of us has different body types and this type of thing is easily different for each of us. Precision comfort tailored for the shot is the key, imo.

JoeyA
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JoeyA, I found that if I turn my right foot further out that it helps to clear the hips. It feels a little out of whack, but when I bring my hips back to lower my head, they seem to be pulled further from the cue.
 
SJDinPHX said:
Hi Wayne,

I can see why you relate so well to Mr. Wiley..You got a little 'brag' in you too, don't you ? ;)...You even brought out the 'chirp' in me, a little ! :p..Get over here and play somebody sumpin' ! :cool:

Best to ya, Dick (or, as you refer to me, 'negative a..hole guy') :wink:
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Sorry, never intended you as part of dog hater Lou and company. I consider anyone who hits over 80 can say or do just about anything they want with a free pass.
 
yankee817299 said:
JoeyA, I found that if I turn my right foot further out that it helps to clear the hips. It feels a little out of whack, but when I bring my hips back to lower my head, they seem to be pulled further from the cue.
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That's sort of what I meant when I said the smallest bit of clockwise rotation. It has worked well for me.
 
a "free pass" and stay off the "grass" - he'll eventually run out of gas

wayne said:
Sorry, never intended you as part of dog hater Lou and company. I consider anyone who hits over 80 can say or do just about anything they want with a free pass.
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I agree, SJD has achieved enough to get a free pass, and we should "stay off his grass". ;)

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This is the key to living a life that get's better every day, in every way

Mikjary said:
Makes sense. I taught the baseball swing with the idea of keeping the trunk of the body in the same starting position as you bent over or "sat" and swung. This kept the muscle groups connected in a chain from the ground up. Like a figure skater spinning faster and faster.

I'll check what happens to my technique as I get down to shoot. Could be enlightening to see what moves out of alignment.

As an aside, tonight I figured out the idea of the cue ball being the target. It doesn't mean it IS the target. It means what results from thinking it is the target. It's a whole different mental picture for me after figuring this out. Only took a year or so to get it down from the shelf. Dense! :frown:

Best,
Mike
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That's right, when we shift our perception to the cue ball being the target it opens up an entirely new dimension to the game. This new perception is critical in pool, however, it's also vital to living a life that remains exciting, considerate, rich, helpful and fulfilling.

It takes awhile to give up old ideas so new ones can replace them. This is the key to living a life that get's better every day, in every way - we must be willing to "give up the old, to receive the new" - this applies to beliefs, attitudes, ideas, emotions, behaviors and habits.

'The GAME is the teacher'
 
CJ Wiley said:
I agree, SJD has achieved enough to get a free pass, and we should "stay off his grass". ;)
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That's right CJ..Ever since I took your advice, and shifted my "perception to the cue ball being the target it opened up an entirely new dimension to the game..This new perception is critical in pool, however, it's also vital to living a life that remains exciting, considerate, rich, helpful and fulfilling"..(Yes. I've noticed that..... You are so in tune with nature)

Thank God I, "gave up my old ideas so new ones can replace them. This is the key to living a life that get's better every day, in every way - we must be willing to "give up the old, to receive the new" - this applies to beliefs, attitudes, ideas, emotions, behaviors and habits." ..(Wow, all this from a little cue tip adjustment ! :))


PS..Ever since I've been following your amazing, thoughtful advice, my world is a much better place ! ..Now I just shoot people, who won't stay off my grass ! :eek:

PPS..I must ask again CJ...And its sounds like many others are also curious !....What color is the sky in your world ? :confused:
 
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PPS..I must ask again CJ...And its sounds like many others are also curious !.....What color is
the sky in your world ? :confused:
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This would be my guess. And you better watch out because he knows where you live.
 

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yankee817299 said:
JoeyA, I found that if I turn my right foot further out that it helps to clear the hips. It feels a little out of whack, but when I bring my hips back to lower my head, they seem to be pulled further from the cue.
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Yes, that works too. :cool:

JoeyA
 
DTL said:
Many on here have said this for years. You can't make a ball with a backstroke, practice stroke or follow through. It's the moment at tip contact (1 millisecond) that counts.........specifically where you hit it, and at what cue speed/direction.

It's not a life altering revelation, though.
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It's not literally meant as the target. When you get down (talking pool :smile:), you're visual concentration shifts to the object ball. By keeping it focused there, the cue ball becomes an object out of direct viewing, but still in your field of vision. Refocusing on the cue ball can do a couple of things. Your tip placement improves and you rely on your original aiming alignment to the object ball.

This shift in priorities doesn't change your aiming point, but instead lets you avoid the tendency to steer your shot or not commit fully to your original aiming line or stroke. You're focused on the cue ball with your conscious mind, but looking at and shooting at the object ball.

I've found it quiets the last second twist or compensation to the original alignment. It's basically giving the thinking mind something to do while Plan A is being executed. My eye pattern didn't change like I thought it would. I'm just focusing on the object ball and aware that the object ball is there since I've already aimed it. No anxiety about making the ball. I just give the initial aiming alignment a chance to work without changing things midstream.

Best,
Mike
 
JoeyA said:
I'm right-handed and I, like you, use my instep or ball of my right foot and place it on the shot line unless circumstances won't allow it.

Sometimes, I find my cue too close to my right hip and I move my left foot to the left to pull my body away from the cue, giving some clearance.

Occasionally I line up my right foot and left foot too close together and have to make a physical effort to spread my feet further apart in order to have what I feel is a comfortable lane for my cue to move in.

Each of us has different body types and this type of thing is easily different for each of us. Precision comfort tailored for the shot is the key, imo.

JoeyA
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I missed this in all the priceless banter going on. I don't have the problem of clearing the hips. A few more Drambuie cocktails and I may. :grin-square:

As far as the footwork involved, I have been known to shuffle, bob, and weave now and then. I attribute a lot of this to an improper or unfocused PSR. I get rolling and forget my rhythm. Never good unless you're playing unconscious.

I just started looking at something CJ said in this thread about getting into the shooting position while in my PSR, before getting down on the shot. I've found it gets everything where it needs to be, including my feet.

It feels mechanical, but solid. I haven't developed a feel for it yet, though it's pretty straightforward and easy to do. Sometimes, the simplest things get overlooked and you go from A to C, missing the obvious. I think it's a keeper and could help players at all levels. Even the guys in NOLA could benefit at their advanced level of play. :thumbup:

Best,
Mike
 
CJ Wiley said:
Thanks, Rick, I appreciate you saying that, and it helps me to share what I can. Pool is not a natural thing to perform, to play the game really well takes some help occasionally.....many players through the years have went out of their way to help me.

The fact of the matter is, the human body wasn't designed to play pool
With this in mind it's vital to learn how to coordinate the human body that we do have into a "pool playing machine," .....this means your shoulder, arm, wrist and hand must connect to synergistically control the cue.....and even more important, the TIP.

There is a way to do this and it took me thousands of hours to figure it out. Without my 8 years away from the game it would not have happened, it took rebuilding my own game to understand each component and how they work together.

Still, to teach this it's taking me 3-5 weeks (3 hours a week and depending on the student's practice regiment) to communicate verbally and kinesthetically (I use a sword, and various practice devises to create quicker muscle memory), which is really just a foundation that they cal learn from the rest of their lives.

Teaching these things with a pool cue I believe is not possible, it takes something heavier, and interestingly enough it must not be shaped as a pool cue. Our subconscious minds are very powerful - I've found that we can't make congruent stroke changes without completely removing the cue from the equation (to create new habits).......this allows the "anchors" to be temporarily eliminated so the new learning can take place.
'The Game is the Teacher'
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You're more than welcome CJ.

I think you are the best think on AZB for those that are truly interested in playing the game & what goes into it. I think your being here lends credibility to AZB.

Most of the other stuff here is of a peripheral nature.

That said, you may be correct in that what you bring to the table may only be for 37% of us playing the game.

The other 63% is just not open to anything other than their status quo.

I hope you keep on doing what you're doing. You induce thought of making improvements & the reality of things & that is almost always a good thing when not actually playing the game.

All of the Best of Everything to You & Yours,
Rick
 
Mikjary said:
I missed this in all the priceless banter going on. I don't have the problem of clearing the hips. A few more Drambuie cocktails and I may. :grin-square:

As far as the footwork involved, I have been known to shuffle, bob, and weave now and then. I attribute a lot of this to an improper or unfocused PSR. I get rolling and forget my rhythm. Never good unless you're playing unconscious.

I just started looking at something CJ said in this thread about getting into the shooting position while in my PSR, before getting down on the shot. I've found it gets everything where it needs to be, including my feet.

It feels mechanical, but solid. I haven't developed a feel for it yet, though it's pretty straightforward and easy to do. Sometimes, the simplest things get overlooked and you go from A to C, missing the obvious. I think it's a keeper and could help players at all levels. Even the guys in NOLA could benefit at their advanced level of play. :thumbup:

Best,
Mike
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Hi Mike,

I think what you are talking about is something I picked up from Gene Albrecht when he showed me that for pool I am left eyed.

By having to make sure that I see the line with my left eye it sort of puts me into a better upright stance from which to go into the shooting position.

Like you say, it felt very mechanical at first but over time it has become 2nd. nature & it has allowed me to do that bit of shuffle wiggle that I've always sort of done but now it's more only with the lower half has my head & eye now stays on the line.

The 'trick' for me is to look at the OB as I go from upright into the the shooting position. Only once down do I then give a glance to the CB to position the tip.

I would no longer consider myself to be on the slow side as I became after my eye accident more than 15 years ago. I'm now playing more like I did before the accident & the astigmatism.

It really is a bit funny how some little things can have such a significant affect.

Best 2 You & All,
Rick
 
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CJ Wiley said:
I'm glad to hear your pool stroke has become more effective. Sometimes it just takes that one tip that makes the difference - all it takes is an open mind and willingness to experiment. I've reached the point again where my game is growing and improving every day physically, mentally, or technically.

Keep up the good play and maybe someday some other pros will start posting on this forum.....although I doubt if they want to subject themselves to .....well, let's just say "they will probably choose not to". ;) 'The GAME is our Teacher'
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CJ is a major PLUS in these forums. See above^^^^^ All positive.
 
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