Hennesee has a standing offer to play SVB on a barbox for a lot of money. Why hasn't this match happened if SVB will play anyone?
CJ Wiley Runs 29 balls in 1P using TOI
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Hennesee has a standing offer to play SVB on a barbox for a lot of money. Why hasn't this match happened if SVB will play anyone?
Just like the old mobsters, it's cool to hear their stories
Yes, the general public is infatuated with the old gambling stories, however, they don't necessarily want to see it these days. What they do really like is contrast, "how it was" to how it is today stories told by real characters.
Just like the old mobsters, it's cool to hear their stories, and not so cool if you though they still may break your knee caps.
Pool players could be the same way if presented properly, and there is a science to this type of presentation. 'The Game is the Teacher'
Yes, the general public is infatuated with the old gambling stories, however, they don't necessarily want to see it these days. What they do really like is contrast, "how it was" to how it is today stories told by real characters.
Just like the old mobsters, it's cool to hear their stories, and not so cool if you though they still may break your knee caps.
Pool players could be the same way if presented properly, and there is a science to this type of presentation. 'The Game is the Teacher'Agreed. The table I play on would not accept several of cj's shots - one of the banks especially.
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Pool tourneys currently do not think of players as employees. The players are the customers. Pool tourneys or pool events do not pay players most of the funding is from the players entry fees, plus some added, if you see money being added then the event is generally going to somehow internally generate enough cash to cover the added plus profit for the promoter from the event or at least that is the usual plan.
Tourneys do not promote to the public rarely do you see anything in mainstream media promoting an upcoming event be it either pro or amateur or otherwise. The pool on TV is so old and stale. The only advertisers are pool related. imagine if you watched a football game and all you saw were Nike ads and there was no beer, cars, web hosting, insurance, retail store ads etc.
Players are not going to make that promotion happen, they specialize as a group in playing pool. Pool needs a promoter some sort of leadership who will get pool in the mainstream, that may be bonus ball or perhaps it could be something you come up with CJ. Pool can continue to languish with a few bright spots here and there but very few players make a living playing pool there is not a high percieved value being created by the sport. The allure needs to be created, the game can be packaged and sold.
The Game is the product.
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hit the center every time. Maybe doing it on a snooker table, hmmm.....
but that's not a triple shimmed table. If it were tight in any way, shape or form, this ball would not go in... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feEqWnGOwIg&t=0m31s The ball hits the rail more than a diamond away and still goes in...
By the way, the clip of Mary Avina playing on that table is not applicable because the pockets and cloth were completely re done since then. That table had been moved and Mary put it together HERSELF while I was in London at the Mosconi Cup.
The cloth had a defect from a light falling so she REVERSED the cloth and we used it to make the TOI Video. This worked for the video, however the table wasn't "up to par". This table was table #37 at my pool room "CJ's" if anyone remembers how tight it was before I moved to my home for "safe keeping".
And NO EXCUSES, that bank shot was "sloppy" of me, and as indicated before the table's been recently recovered so the banks will tend to slide in and I took advantage of that (with TOI). Next time I'll be sure to hit he geometric center on every shot.
Beating the ghost playing rotation would be a good example of this "IF" I can hit the center every time. Maybe doing it on a snooker table, hmmm.....
I appreciate the input, there's nothing like a "Pepsi challenge" in pool.
'The Game is the Teacher' www.cjwiley.com
Coming soon: Banking with TOI "The Ultimate Banking System"
but that's not a triple shimmed table. If it were tight in any way, shape or form, this ball would not go in... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feEqWnGOwIg&t=0m31s The ball hits the rail more than a diamond away and still goes in...
By the way, the clip of Mary Avina playing on that table is not applicable because the pockets and cloth were completely re done since then. That table had been moved and Mary put it together HERSELF while I was in London at the Mosconi Cup.
The cloth had a defect from a light falling so she REVERSED the cloth and we used it to make the TOI Video. This worked for the video, however the table wasn't "up to par". This table was table #37 at my pool room "CJ's" if anyone remembers how tight it was before I moved to my home for "safe keeping".
And NO EXCUSES, that bank shot was "sloppy" of me, and as indicated before the table's been recently recovered so the banks will tend to slide in and I took advantage of that (with TOI). Next time I'll be sure to hit he geometric center on every shot.
Beating the ghost playing rotation would be a good example of this "IF" I can hit the center every time. Maybe doing it on a snooker table, hmmm.....
I appreciate the input, there's nothing like a "Pepsi challenge" in pool.
'The Game is the Teacher' www.cjwiley.com
Coming soon: Banking with TOI "The Ultimate Banking System"
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some major tournaments don't even announce who's playing to the crowds.
You are exactly right, and I'm not sure the Professional Players realize they are the customers yet. That's the way I look at it, "do I want to pay to play in a tournament or not?" The answer is usually "no" because there's very little offered. They want to film players's matches and sell them without even buying them dinner anymore, and don't supply towels, powder, water, referees, and some major tournaments don't even announce who's playing to the crowds (Scott Smith always did).
This is "night and day" worse than in the early to mid 90s and there's no acceptable reason for it. To pay a 500 dollar entry fee and not get complimentary powder, towels and water is like going to a restaurant to spend 500 and they tell you to "bring your own silverware and glasses". 'The Game is Disappointed"
You are exactly right, and I'm not sure the Professional Players realize they are the customers yet. That's the way I look at it, "do I want to pay to play in a tournament or not?" The answer is usually "no" because there's very little offered. They want to film players's matches and sell them without even buying them dinner anymore, and don't supply towels, powder, water, referees, and some major tournaments don't even announce who's playing to the crowds (Scott Smith always did).
This is "night and day" worse than in the early to mid 90s and there's no acceptable reason for it. To pay a 500 dollar entry fee and not get complimentary powder, towels and water is like going to a restaurant to spend 500 and they tell you to "bring your own silverware and glasses". 'The Game is Disappointed"
That's because they weren't. Almost every shot he took into the corner and brought the cue ball off the long rail and back behind another ball was using outside english.
watch the reaction after contact, there's that "floating effect"....
The fact is I used the Touch of Inside Technique on all the shots, remember as long as you use the TOI alignment you can pivot for whatever english you need. I stay completely away from outside unless I have to change the angle off the rail (after making the object ball).
I used outside english {to change a rail angle} 3 times during that run of 29 balls, (and every time was to change the angle coming off the rail) which is about 10%...I would say this is the average when I play any serious match.
It's ironic, I never would tell people how I was playing with the TOI System for years and now that I tell exactly what I'm doing some players still can't see it. All you have to do is watch the reaction after contact, there's that "floating effect"......as Efren calls it the "NO SPIN"{after contact} style.
Watch again and pay close attention to how the cue ball is reacting after contact, that's the only way you can tell. I'm just cueing the ball inside enough to deflect the cue ball slightly to create the 3 Part Pocket Zone, so I can control the deflection and expand my margin of pocket error.
'The Game is the Teacher' www.cjwiley.com
The fact is I used the Touch of Inside Technique on all the shots, remember as long as you use the TOI alignment you can pivot for whatever english you need. I stay completely away from outside unless I have to change the angle off the rail (after making the object ball).
I used outside english {to change a rail angle} 3 times during that run of 29 balls, (and every time was to change the angle coming off the rail) which is about 10%...I would say this is the average when I play any serious match.
It's ironic, I never would tell people how I was playing with the TOI System for years and now that I tell exactly what I'm doing some players still can't see it. All you have to do is watch the reaction after contact, there's that "floating effect"......as Efren calls it the "NO SPIN"{after contact} style.
Watch again and pay close attention to how the cue ball is reacting after contact, that's the only way you can tell. I'm just cueing the ball inside enough to deflect the cue ball slightly to create the 3 Part Pocket Zone, so I can control the deflection and expand my margin of pocket error.
'The Game is the Teacher' www.cjwiley.com
This system of play is about not spinning, and actually the Inside will not spin much
Yes, the essential part is to cue the ball Inside and put no spin on the cue ball. This system of play is about not spinning, and actually the Inside will have a counter effect on spin AFTER contact. Even when using center you will have after contact spin, with the Touch of Inside this reduced or often eliminated.
This is where you see the "floating effect" in action. Watch Efren's cue ball after contact and see what it does. I've played him a lot in the past and his "heavy cue ball" is as good as it gets. If you think Efren spins the cue ball needlessly you need to take a closer look. 'The Game is the Teacher' www.cjwiley.com
Excellent point, CJ! I never thought about it that way.
One of our local phenoms, who has now accumulated some years, used to play probably 95% of his shots at about the same speed with minimum spin. Absolute simplicity.
He was almost unbeatable for 35 years. Now he's in his 70's but still can catch a gear and beat the best. He's still a pleasure to watch.
BTW, I enjoy your posts. Keep 'me coming! :thumbup2:
Yes, the essential part is to cue the ball Inside and put no spin on the cue ball. This system of play is about not spinning, and actually the Inside will have a counter effect on spin AFTER contact. Even when using center you will have after contact spin, with the Touch of Inside this reduced or often eliminated.
This is where you see the "floating effect" in action. Watch Efren's cue ball after contact and see what it does. I've played him a lot in the past and his "heavy cue ball" is as good as it gets. If you think Efren spins the cue ball needlessly you need to take a closer look. 'The Game is the Teacher' www.cjwiley.com
How is it reduced or eliminated? If the Cueball is sliding with no turn, how does it not pickup turn from collision? I always thought friction would come into play, and if it has no inside turn at contact, then it would have to pickup turn?
Mark
O yea, nice shooting CJ!
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Yes, I agree.
How is it reduced or eliminated? If the Cueball is sliding with no turn, how does it not pickup turn from collision? I always thought friction would come into play, and if it has no inside turn at contact, then it would have to pickup turn?
Mark
O yea, nice shooting CJ!
If you hit off center the CB will have spin. A TOI = a touch of spin. The key is to hit it firm enough so that it does NOT swerve on the cloth but arrives at contact to off set the collison induced outside spin that even a center hit CB would pick up.
I hope that helps,
Hitting a cue ball with no spin is a fantasy and shouldn't be used to compare
If you want to get technical, even a cue ball hit with "center" will have spin on it. Hitting a cue ball with no spin {at all} is unrealistic, and shouldn't be used as a "referential index".
None of us are hitting a "non spinning" cue ball and even if you could, what would be the purpose? TOI is a controlled hit on the cue ball that produces predictable results with far more flexibility than center or outside english.
If you want to get technical, even a cue ball hit with "center" will have spin on it. Hitting a cue ball with no spin {at all} is unrealistic, and shouldn't be used as a "referential index".
None of us are hitting a "non spinning" cue ball and even if you could, what would be the purpose? TOI is a controlled hit on the cue ball that produces predictable results with far more flexibility than center or outside english.
That's gonna be tough for me since I was always taught to use "Running English" if possible. Looks like it's time to watch some videos and pay attention. If you and Efren use this method, I'm convinced! :thumbup2:
Efren doesn't. He uses outside a LOT. The similarity to CJ is that he rarely uses much english, meaning not real far off center. They both stroke the ball well enough to only use as much English as is necessary. It's rarely a ton of spin, just great contact with the object ball and great speed control.
Here's a video of Efren playing the ghost, "text book" rotation pool.
How many times have you played Efren, have you even watched him play up close? How often do you see his cue ball spinning with extra english after contact (the sign of using "outside" english).
Here's a video of Efren playing the ghost, "text book" rotation pool.
Watch closely and be honest, this isn't about "proving me wrong," it's about being accurate in the observation. I've played him many times, I know for sure that he does and how he plays....watch and learn from this video: Watch, the tell me "He uses a lot of outside", that's inaccurate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79f5vvdtiUg
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How many times have you played Efren, have you even watched him play up close? How often do you see his cue ball spinning with extra english after contact (the sign of using "outside" english).
Here's a video of Efren playing the ghost, "text book" rotation pool.
Watch closely and be honest, this isn't about "proving me wrong," it's about being accurate in the observation. I've played him many times, I know for sure that he does and how he plays....watch and learn from this video: Watch, the tell me "He uses a lot of outside", that's inaccurate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79f5vvdtiUg
it's just going to deflect slightly.
That's right, there's not enough spin to make the cue ball come back at all, it's just going to deflect slightly.
That's right, there's not enough spin to make the cue ball come back at all, it's just going to deflect slightly.
Here´s another good vid to look at, great quality and views from different places. I see a lot of things that is a good value for me.
Chrippa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEW3RV2Ox-o
Chrippa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEW3RV2Ox-o
better with no sound.
I've tried to watch this before, it's much better with no sound.
I've tried to watch this before, it's much better with no sound.