Cognoscenti Cues Now Available In The US

skins said:
like i said tell this to the list of cue makers above.:)
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you and i are one different aesthetic planes. your idea of good design seems to be that cnc has given you the ability to create complex works that were impossible to do with older machinery,,,and that this complexity is your definition of creative. i'm saying cnc has locked you into a particular way of thinking, and these elaborate designs is cnc's way of embellishing a basic cue design concept that is too strong to break away from. i see it, but i don't think you do.

maybe it's my fault for assuming that cuebuilding should be doing something better with all that expensive machinery. if you say you are, then you've already limited yourself because you're allowing cnc/computerization to do the talking.

and are those cuemakers going to convince me otherwise???,,,i don't think so :)
 
bruin70 said:
you and i are one different aesthetic planes. your idea of good design seems to be that cnc has given you the ability to create complex works that were impossible to do with older machinery,,,and that this complexity is your definition of creative. i'm saying cnc has locked you into a particular way of thinking, and these elaborate designs is cnc's way of embellishing a basic cue design concept that is too strong to break away from. i see it, but i don't think you do.

maybe it's my fault for assuming that cuebuilding should be doing something better with all that expensive machinery. if you say you are, then you've already limited yourself because you're allowing cnc/computerization to do the talking.

and are those cuemakers going to convince me otherwise???,,,i don't think so :)
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listen, with all respect due or not you don't get it and i don't think you ever will. i'm not creating any better just different period. you can fight it, chastise it and criticize it all you want but you're fighting a battle that has no victor. i strive for the same things ernie, george, craig, gus, bill(s), richard, eugene, frank, harvey, herman ect... strive(ed) for but with a different look, like it or not that's subjective. i'm sick and tired of some of you trying to find fault where none exists. to all who feel the same as the post i'm responding to stop guarding your "old ways" as gospel and LET FREEDOM RING! this is america isn't it! if there was room for edison there is room for the rest of us! deal with it, get over it and move on.
 
skins said:
anyway i like sharp points too but as i stated doing that with my design work would be a mess of problems. :o
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I'm not trying to incite a riot here but I do have to pose this question then. Earlier you mentioned several cuemakers who you say do intrictae design work similar to yours. However, you readily admit that your inlay material is too difficult to get sharp. How come its not for Jerry McWorter? He was on that list.
 
I feel betrayed. Flipped a lot of CNC Q's. Told customers they were made by dadada or dedede. It dawns on me that I'm an ignorant liar. I should have said SKINS was responsible for embellishment design,cad writing,etc. and dadada,dedede in conjuction with robbie the robot assembled the q. Skins---can you estimate apprx how many cues have been completed which are embellished with your designs? Lets broaden that to include those which are a by product of a collaborative effort of you and the "maker". As a CP I know apprx how many iches and o's I've had. Just curious if you had any idea as to how many cues you helped father? I'll be at the tourney at SAMPLES this weekend----c'mon over and I'll buy you a beer or three.
 
skins said:
listen,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, stop guarding your "old ways" as gospel and LET FREEDOM RING! this is america isn't it! if there was room for edison there is room for the rest of us! deal with it, get over it and move on.
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oh please,,,,cut the cr*ap. you're building cues, not fighting for political freedoms.

if you think you're an artist, then take the criticisms. i never made comparisons between cnc and "old ways", even though i DO like the older process more. (of my collection, i own a beautiful JW and have another on the way, and i consider bill a good aquaintance of mine).

no,,,,,,i have focused exclusively on the "cnc mind's" ability or lack thereof to be creative......the conclusion being you are BOUND by it, not freed because of it. it is all within the grasp of the cuebuilder, but i have yet to see it.
 
I liked it

Worked for me... I received a call last night from Joe Gold, and now have a 1 of 1 Cog being completed.

Thanks Eydie!!


Luv ya's
Joe
 
bruin70 said:
oh please,,,,cut the cr*ap. you're building cues, not fighting for political freedoms. give me a break. i'm not political either i just meant let me do what i do and you don't like it keep iy to your self.

if you think you're an artist, then take the criticisms.why do you feel the need to critisize someones art? i never made comparisons between cnc and "old ways", even though i DO like the older process more. (of my collection, i own a beautiful JW and have another on the way, and i consider bill a good aquaintance of mine).

no,,,,,,i have focused exclusively on the "cnc mind's" ability or lack thereof to be creative are you saying bill stroud, thomas wayne, joe gold, keith josey, richard chudy, jerry mcworter, richard black, bob manzino ect...... are not creative? who do you think you are? cnc has nothing to do with my creative process. it's only the best tool that ALLOWS my creativity to be put in the form of a round piece of wood......the conclusion being you are BOUND by it, not freed because of it. it is all within the grasp of the cuebuilder, but i have yet to see it.
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if what you say i lack in my aproach is "within" my grasp then you must know something that every cue maker on earth would pay dearly to have. i can say the wheel has allot of potential but to tell people "they" don't know how to use it when i can't tell them the answer either is just idiotic.

you don't have an answer because there isn't one.
 
ribdoner said:
---can you estimate apprx how many cues have been completed which are embellished with your designs? Lets broaden that to include those which are a by product of a collaborative effort of you and the "maker".
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if i had to guess i would think between all the cue makers who use and or used my design work maybe 750 to 1250 some where in there. any time your in chicago let me know and we'll go out for that beer.
 
pharaoh68 said:
I'm not trying to incite a riot here but I do have to pose this question then. Earlier you mentioned several cuemakers who you say do intrictae design work similar to yours. However, you readily admit that your inlay material is too difficult to get sharp. How come its not for Jerry McWorter? He was on that list.
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with most of his work there are radiuses just like mine unless the radiuses are "hidden" in ebony. if you mean cues like the Razor cue i believe he hand finnishes the tips of the pockets on that cue. i don't like to hide the radius in a dark wood (but not totally against it) i like to mill the parts and pocket to fit perfectly. but like i said allot of my design work has many areas that are radiused. to hand finnish all of them is not that easy to do and would take much time and the end result would be sub par. take that with the fact that most of what i do has so many areas that would need to be hand finnished the time/cost ratio just wouldn't be there. i would guess there are different techniques that a "master" machinist might know that could mill the type of pockets in Jerry's Razor cue with out having to hand finnish them but as of now i don't know them but am always open to learning. as far as techniques for doing that with most of my work i don't believe there is a viable one.
 
daytonajoe said:
Worked for me... I received a call last night from Joe Gold, and now have a 1 of 1 Cog being completed.

Thanks Eydie!!


Luv ya's
Joe
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good luck to you! post the pic's here and i'll tell you if it's one of my designs.
 
My Cue?

hey Joe G. if your listening in. remember when you told me if ever i wanted a cue just let you know and you would make me anyhting i want? we'll i'm ready.;) call me or i'll call you or stop by to say hi. hope all is well. timmy
 
Samples?

ribdoner said:
I'll be at the tourney at SAMPLES this weekend----c'mon over and I'll buy you a beer or three.
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i'm sorry i missed the last part of the post. where is Samples?
 
skins said:
[,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,to tell people "they" don't know how to use it when i can't tell them the answer either is just idiotic.
you don't have an answer because there isn't one.
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well, let me try....i've have now repeated myself maybe twice if not more. again,,,all i see is an embellishment of an already established design concept. let me first say that you and i agree on ONE thing,,,that creativity starts with the cuemaker. but you keep bringing up these other cuemakers like that really matters. black for instance, i consider the most adventurous and creative of all the cuemakers. now,,,,the reason, i suspect, that you keep bringing up cuemakers, including black, is that you assume i equate bad or uncreative cuemaking with cnc, and if some of these cuemakers are doing good work and they use cnc, that somehow that foils my arguement. 1...first and foremost, i have always put the creative mind BEFORE machine. 2...dependence on the machine leads to lack of creativity,,,they are two sides to the same coin.

now,,,people might INFER i'm citing cnc as being unimginative, but i have only ever stated the above, and IF I ACTUALLY SAID cnc was uncreative, it was a mistake i made(but i don't believe i made that remark). as for "critisizing someone's art", THAT was my poor choice of phrasing. all i said was the above and it was a criticism OF THE PROCESS.

as for your wheel analogy,,,,,,,,"can't tell you the answer,,,"? why am i supposed to tell you where to go with your work? are you paying me? take my opinions or not,,,put me on your ignore list if you like. or you can take it as a word of caution. let's see where your work is at 5 or 10 years from now.
 
bruin70 said:
as for your wheel analogy,,,,,,,,"can't tell you the answer,,,"? why am i supposed to tell you where to go with your work? you said "it is all within the grasp of the cuebuilder, but i have yet to see it." how do you know what's in the grasp if you haven't seen it yet? do you know something that cue makers don't? or is there some one you know who has the answers? are you paying me? are you saying you know the answers? i'm sure we could work something out;) take my opinions or not,,,put me on your ignore list if you like. or you can take it as a word of caution. let's see where your work is at 5 or 10 years from now.
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you clarified some of my concers in the first part of the post and i appreciate that. we'll leave it at that :)
 
I am going to be doing an interview with Joey, Any questions you all would like addressed? Please be nice..:)
 
nipponbilliards said:
I am wondering how Eydie feels about all these response to the thread she started...:) :):) :) :)

Richard
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Everyone has an opinion, that does not mean that one is better than the other. When you deal with large amounts of people as I do from time to time, you come across people that you are not going to like, and they may not like you. That is what makes us a human race, we are all different and contribute differently to make this a society. There are going to be people now and then that are not satisfied and there are going to be people where you cannot do any wrong. You just can't please everyone, that's not how this world as I know it...

Now, as far as this thread goes. I am thrilled that he got the exposure and people are talking~ weather it is good or bad. Cognoscenti is a name of quality and excellence in my opinion, in addition to many other cuemakers that rein supreme.

Yeah, Joey is what I call him, I guess its JOE to you all!:p
 
Eydie Romano said:
I am going to be doing an interview with Joey, Any questions you all would like addressed? Please be nice..:)
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There was speculation that Joey sold the business. Is that true? :confused:
 
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