Cognoscenti question?
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Bill,
I've always thought they had a super hit and possibly will be collectible down the road. He was one of the early design trendsetters, imo, and his cues (to me) will always have their own unique look. The only thing that I had against them was that they were all 57.5"....tough for us 6'+ players with longer arms.
Sean
I've always thought they had a super hit and possibly will be collectible down the road. He was one of the early design trendsetters, imo, and his cues (to me) will always have their own unique look. The only thing that I had against them was that they were all 57.5"....tough for us 6'+ players with longer arms.
Sean
Joe makes a good cue. I have the 6 point logo cue with a G-10 pin, and I love the way this cue hits and feels, it was my first custom cue. Very well balanced also. They are priced accordingly, the nicer the cue design the more expensive. For a little while there, he was making ebony and cocobolo cues with 1 shaft for around $1,200 last year. Nice cues in my opinion.
i know as Sean knows, that Joe Gold is a design trendsetter. i also believe his execution of the work is on par with anyone who has ever made cues. i always thought the design composition with his unique use of silver, which he is well known for, is very pleasing to the eye. Joe's shop was always immaculate and well organized as well he a cue maker. he allowed me to spend so many years in his shop i almost became part of the "atmosphere" there and he made me feel that as well. he was always determined to achieve perfection. i happen to love the way his cues play and imo his work will always be collectible to those who know the difference.
I like the hit, its has alot of feel, but it still feels stiff IMO. Now do i think that they are worth 2800, if i had the money, absolutley
I've owned a Cog for several years and consider it to be amongst the better hitting cues.
I've heard lately that he has stopped building cues. Maybe a rumor...I don't know. And that concerns me. When I bought my cue from Joe Gold, I asked about the g10 pin and its guarantee. He stated that he would replace it if it ever broke. Although I've had no problems with it, I'm wondering what I would do now if it ever did break...with him not being around to fix it.
I've heard lately that he has stopped building cues. Maybe a rumor...I don't know. And that concerns me. When I bought my cue from Joe Gold, I asked about the g10 pin and its guarantee. He stated that he would replace it if it ever broke. Although I've had no problems with it, I'm wondering what I would do now if it ever did break...with him not being around to fix it.
Freddy the beard uses a cog, and he's a legend.....i think thats a good reference...also,, i think pat divveney is also using the same pins should one ever screw up, he'de be the guy to contact......
Never been impressed
Cogs all look the same to me. They are great for a CNC example of cuemaking.
The designs all look the same, and like Southwests basically have the same designs.
Unique? I guess I would need to see more, but the ones I have seen seem to look EXACTLY the same.
I have heard nothing but great things about the pin and the hit so I guess that might be the ticket.
Ken
Cogs all look the same to me. They are great for a CNC example of cuemaking.
The designs all look the same, and like Southwests basically have the same designs.
Unique? I guess I would need to see more, but the ones I have seen seem to look EXACTLY the same.
I have heard nothing but great things about the pin and the hit so I guess that might be the ticket.
Ken
It's true that several cuemakers use the G-10 pin, but I don't think any of them use the Cog thread. Even if the pin was changed by someone other than Joe Gold and it was identical, the cue would not then be an all original Cognoscenti, and I believe the resale value would suffer.putt-putt44 said:
I think the playability is fantastic!!!and as far as collectability stick with the higher end ones, and one ofs!I have noticed alot of people asking about them latley?
I think they play better than any cue I've played with. I didn't think I'd like 57 and 1/2 inchs, BUT IT PLAYS LIGHTS OUT!!!!! I have 23 cues that I own but I play with a cog. Buy one and play with it. YOU WON"T SELL IT TILL you can't see to play.cornerstone said:
what do you mean, "the deisgns all look the same" and "like Southwests basically have the same designs"? no disrespect but i don't think your looking very close. the only thing that is similar is that they are "floating" point cues and not of the traditional straight pointed variety. using your anology, i could say the same thing with every traditional pointed cue. i, among many others, see what the differences are. would you say a square looks like a circle? if not then look again and you should be able to see the differences. you have to understand there are many aspects of design. if it's not your "cup of tea" that's fine but never say they look "EXACTLY" the same. that's just a statement from someone who can't or doesn't want to see the differences. also, what does "CNC" have to do with it? allot of Joe's high end work was done with a pantograph. also does your statement of " They are great for a CNC example of cuemaking" mean that , Hercek, Ginacue, Josswest, Manzino, Black, Chudy, Josey, Black Boar, Mcworter, Mottey, White, Wayne, Scruggs, Runde, ect... are also?Ken_4fun said:
Dak21st said:
PLAYABILITY---firm, crisp and predictable. Not the best choice for
beginners or"'stroke" challanged players.
PRICE----------there were some "bargains" on the secondary market a
while ago......
COLLECTABILITY--yep, esp the fancy and one of examples
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Scott Frost plays an breaks with a Cog its a plain one. I've seen a g-10 pin sharped on grinder an driven into a 2x4 with a claw hammer. Cogs come in varying styles from plain- like rosewood forearm an butt with leather wrap an sterling ring work. Then they swing in a complete different direction to CNC masterpieces. I'm sure if you've got the green Joe gold can make you a cue to be proud of.
Pinocchio
Scott Frost plays an breaks with a Cog its a plain one. I've seen a g-10 pin sharped on grinder an driven into a 2x4 with a claw hammer. Cogs come in varying styles from plain- like rosewood forearm an butt with leather wrap an sterling ring work. Then they swing in a complete different direction to CNC masterpieces. I'm sure if you've got the green Joe gold can make you a cue to be proud of.
Pinocchio
Joe has currently quit making cues. He sold a lot of equipment and is taking a break. Maybe relocating to FL.Pinocchio said:
Thanks everyone for the input.My next question may seem a bit odd.What would you compare the hit to,for example,Searing,Southwest,etc.I only ask to compare if I would like the hit before I spend thousands on one.I understand they are unique in their own right but they must have a feel similar to another cue even if only slightly.
That's a tough question...but I'll give my opinion. Cogs hit somewhat like a SW, only better. Stiff hitting.Dak21st said:
But before you consider one, here are a few facts...they only come is 57 1/2'' lengths. Plus, the shafts only come in 13 1/8 mm. These are issues you may want to consider.
Something else to think about...the cuemaker is not building cues or doing repairs on the cues he has built, at this time.
pharaoh68
Banned
skins said:
For starters, I have to agree with Ken. A lot of Cogs have a very similar look to them and are generally unappealing in nature... to me. I for one, tend to prefer the more traditional designs like those of some of the other cuemakers you had listed: Herceck, Mottey, Scruggs, etc. Hell! I was not that much of a fan of Keith's cues because floating points and inlays are not my cup of tea. Nothing personal. That's jst my taste. But when I saw the pics you posted of some of Keith's new, traditional designs with both your and his "personal style", I immediately changed my mind! Those are some beautiful cues!!! And they are totally unique as you guys managed to take "traditional" and make it your own.
But Joe Gold's cues have a very "production" look to them. And I'm not sure that they are all that collectible yet.
Ken said that most Cogs look the same to him. He was careful to say that the ones he had seen looked exactly the same - NOT that all Cogs look exactly the same. These are two VERY different statements. And to tell him that he is wrong, well, one would need to have knowledge of what Ken has and hasn't seen.
I have seen and played with quite a few. The lower end (if you want to call them that) in my opinion all are similar, but when you move up, there are many variations. I equate this to what Bender does. Most of the lower end cues are 5 or 10 pointers, same ringwork, etc. But when you start getting to the higher priced stuff, there is a world of difference in design. I have grown to like the G-10 pin cues (Cog, Woodworth, and Krick specifically). As far as collectibility, in my opinion only the high end one of a kinds. Although he have have recently quit making cues, there are a ton of the lower end ones floating around. If you want to spend $3500+ I would maybe hunt one down, but if you are only looking for playing cue, I wouldn't mess with the lower end inlayed models. You might end up losing money trying to get rid of it unless you are into it for about $1500. I would stick to a solid forearm cue and try to pick one up for +/-$800.
