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I once broke a sneaky pete (no collars) with a 3/8x10 pin, on a break shot. I guess I bent it a little bit and the wood split on the shaft side. The butt was fine. I now know that having a collar on the shaft helps protect it from splitting like that, but is one necessary on the butt or are butts just as likely to split? I heard Bob Frey will not put a guarentee on one of his cues unless there is a collar on the shaft, but one is not required on the butt. Just makes me wonder.

Thanks very much,
Ian
 
fullsplicefiend said:
I once broke a sneaky pete (no collars) with a 3/8x10 pin, on a break shot. I guess I bent it a little bit and the wood split on the shaft side. The butt was fine. I now know that having a collar on the shaft helps protect it from splitting like that, but is one necessary on the butt or are butts just as likely to split? I heard Bob Frey will not put a guarentee on one of his cues unless there is a collar on the shaft, but one is not required on the butt. Just makes me wonder.

Thanks very much,
Ian
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I've made a lot with a collar, on the shaft only. I don't know of any problems. I have had shafts split, when no collars are present...JER
 
I like my sneakies with no collars, but there is a certain amount of risk. After all, collars were developed for a reason...
 
I believe! If the joint pin is properly installed and the forearm has no defects the butt probably won't crack. Note i used the word "probably".
 
Butts in my opinion are less likly to split I have built shafts without but I let the customer know there is a risk. To date knock on wood no issues however there could be a problem in down the road. I am a firm believer in collars they just make a sounder cue in my opinion.
 
I think it depends on the pin. If you have a 5-16/18 with a brass insert in the shaft, I don't think you'll need a collar. But with a big pin into wood, I would'nt go without one.
 
If you have a collar on the shaft why not put one on the butt?
IMHO a butt without a collar looks naked and unfinished. If only the shaft has a collar I would think the shaft is not original because who would build a cue like that?
 
desmocourtney said:
If you have a collar on the shaft why not put one on the butt?
IMHO a butt without a collar looks naked and unfinished. If only the shaft has a collar I would think the shaft is not original because who would build a cue like that?
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ME......JER
 
Food for thought....

Shaft bored and tapped no epoxy.
Butt bored tapped and pin epoxied in place.
The weaker side will always break first. IE shaft side.
With a collar on the shaft the butt becomes the weak point.
With a collar on both who knows where the weak point is... who care I will never break it..
All imho....
 
For 3/8-10 pin, a partial phenolic insert epoxied in the shaft, about 1/2" in length solves the problem nicely, IMO. The shaft is reinforced at the joint and you can have the no collar look.

Martin



fullsplicefiend said:
I once broke a sneaky pete (no collars) with a 3/8x10 pin, on a break shot. I guess I bent it a little bit and the wood split on the shaft side. The butt was fine. I now know that having a collar on the shaft helps protect it from splitting like that, but is one necessary on the butt or are butts just as likely to split? I heard Bob Frey will not put a guarentee on one of his cues unless there is a collar on the shaft, but one is not required on the butt. Just makes me wonder.

Thanks very much,
Ian
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