color of money

the scorpion said:
Jaden to coin a scottish phrase "you are a right dunder head", you canno't be serious when you say that Tom Cruise shot better in the color of money than Rick Schroder did in poolhall junkies are you?.

Come on first of all in COM crusie had a body double to play every shot bar one and that was the jump shot at the end whereas in phj rick actually took the time to learn the game so he was able to actually play the shots instead of hiring a stunt monkey to play as himself in 90% of the movie like cruise did.
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Dude, are you serious? Have you watched the movies? Schroder didn't even hold the cue well. Cruise ran out the pop and stop set up rack on his own, as well as other setup shots. I'm not saying Cruise knows how to shoot pool, but you cannot compare the two. Watch the two movies back to back.
Kelly
 
I agree that Schroder looked bad with a cue. I thought Tom shot pretty well and thought I heard a rumor that Seigel was impressed with his ability after just a couple of weeks of training. Notice in TCOM during the Werewolves of London (stop shot) runout that the balls keep changing positions from cut to cut, constantly lining Tom up for the next shot. I think that was due to some weird delayed masse that he played that took hold after the camera panned away from the table.

Also, notice that they say 'Gentlemen, start your matches!' at the end and everyone breaks... and I mean everyone.... even the guys that are playing against each other! Should only be one guy or the other guy breaking. I also notice a few re-run shots during the Grady Seasons match (that always pisses me off).

Ok... it is my favorite movie of all time, so I will give the director some artistic license.
 
Had to jump in on this conversation as COM is my favorite pool movie and one of my favorite movies in general.

I read somewhere (gotta look it up again) that Tom Cruise did all the shots and breaks in COM EXCEPT for the jump shot. I dont know where "thebeast" got his info from, you can tell by the person playing that it was McCready. (Tom made the Masse shot off the 1 ball, and Tom ran out at Chalkies during the "Werewolves" bit. Tom also ran out and make some good shots against Julian in the beginning of the movie. You can see Tom make the long dead kick shot as well against McCready. If the movie shows Tom doing this stuff, then why would he need a double for the rest of the stuff that was easy? Im not saying Tom can shoot pool well, Im just saying it was actually Tom who made those shots.)

Also, notice how we never see "Julian" ever take a shot. Even when it shows Vincent, Eddie, Grady, and Julian all break at the same time in the end tournament the break for Julian and the player blurred out unlike the other four. Either this was a mistake or the actor was a horrible shot and didnt even know how to hold a cue.

Also if you look close, the majority of the object balls after being shot the cloth is colored just a light bit lighter under where the ball was, showing that these were all marked shots so the camera never had to keep adjusting for minor small angle changes.

Also look at the cues that a lot of the background players use, doesn't it look an awful lot like Vincent's Balabushka. That is because there were a bunch made for the movie (I forget who made the cues, I want to say Joss, but not sure) and they were given to extras to shoot with. I believe the only real Balabushka in the movie was the close up of the cue in the back room at Janelle's bar when Eddie gave it to him, but I'm still not certain on that.

And what the hell does Eddie's license plate mean? TK6?
 
I just watched this the other night and I am fairly certain the close-up of the Balabuska actually shows its 'stand-in', the Joss.

Never noticed that everyone else also has that cue at the tourney, but will certainly look for that.
 
BillYards said:
I just watched this the other night and I am fairly certain the close-up of the Balabuska actually shows its 'stand-in', the Joss.

Never noticed that everyone else also has that cue at the tourney, but will certainly look for that.
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Wasnt sure about that, thanks for clearing it up. Also, not everyone in the toruney, but a lot of people shoot with a very similar looking cue. Check it out.
 
BillYards said:
I just watched this the other night and I am fairly certain the close-up of the Balabuska actually shows its 'stand-in', the Joss.

Never noticed that everyone else also has that cue at the tourney, but will certainly look for that.
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That's the cue I play with, N-7, I think. I never noticed that either though.
 
Rude Dog said:
That's the cue I play with, N-7, I think. I never noticed that either though.
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Hey Rude Dog me too (w/ a predator shaft):cool: , just got it back in January:) , and I love it to death:p .

Pete
 
I was watching "In the actor's studio" a few weeks ago on tv and it was featuring Tom Cruise. It's a show that is a few hours long where the actor is in essence being interviewed by a professor at Juliard's.

When they discussed TCOM, the professor said that when Mike Siegel was asked about Tom's ability, he said that Mike stated, "Tom could've gone pro if he wanted to."

I chuckled when I heard this, and as to the merit of it, I don't know.....
 
Sure he could have gone pro if they kept reraranging his outs every time the camera looked away:rolleyes:
 
1pRoscoe said:
I was watching "In the actor's studio" a few weeks ago on tv and it was featuring Tom Cruise. It's a show that is a few hours long where the actor is in essence being interviewed by a professor at Juliard's.

When they discussed TCOM, the professor said that when Mike Siegel was asked about Tom's ability, he said that Mike stated, "Tom could've gone pro if he wanted to."

I chuckled when I heard this, and as to the merit of it, I don't know.....
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I met Tom Cruise when he came with Martin Scorcese to the U.S. Open in 1986 when it was still held at the Q-Master. We spent a couple of days together watching matches and discussing various things that players did. Tom was a bright young man and asked a lot of good questions. He and Scorcese wanted to see a money game so we got them into the back room to watch Keith play Danny Medina. They stood against a wall for hours studying these two players. This is when Martin got the idea to cast Keith in the movie. He was enthralled with Keith's unique personality.
Prior to filming Cruise worked extensively with a good player named Herb Lehmann (someone correct me if my memory has failed me here). Then during filming it was all Mike Sigel. All in all, Cruise played quite a bit of pool over a six month period, and when the filming was all over, Mike was very impressed with Tom's ability. He remarked to many people how quickly Cruise had picked up the basics of the game and how fast he improved. Whether he ever said Cruise could become a pro or not, I can't say. You'd have to ask Mike that. Knowing Mike, it is the kind of "tongue in cheek" compliment he might give in Cruise's presence.
 
jay helfert said:
I met Tom Cruise when he came with Martin Scorcese to the U.S. Open in 1986 when it was still held at the Q-Master. We spent a couple of days together watching matches and discussing various things that players did. Tom was a bright young man and asked a lot of good questions. He and Scorcese wanted to see a money game so we got them into the back room to watch Keith play Danny Medina. They stood against a wall for hours studying these two players. This is when Martin got the idea to cast Keith in the movie. He was enthralled with Keith's unique personality.
Prior to filming Cruise worked extensively with a good player named Herb Lehmann (someone correct me if my memory has failed me here). Then during filming it was all Mike Sigel. All in all, Cruise played quite a bit of pool over a six month period, and when the filming was all over, Mike was very impressed with Tom's ability. He remarked to many people how quickly Cruise had picked up the basics of the game and how fast he improved. Whether he ever said Cruise could become a pro or not, I can't say. You'd have to ask Mike that. Knowing Mike, it is the kind of "tongue in cheek" compliment he might give in Cruise's presence.
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Wow, thats an incredible bit of information there. Thanks!!!!
 
Icon of Sin said:
Had to jump in on this conversation as COM is my favorite pool movie and one of my favorite movies in general.

I read somewhere (gotta look it up again) that Tom Cruise did all the shots and breaks in COM EXCEPT for the jump shot. I dont know where "thebeast" got his info from, you can tell by the person playing that it was McCready. (Tom made the Masse shot off the 1 ball, and Tom ran out at Chalkies during the "Werewolves" bit. Tom also ran out and make some good shots against Julian in the beginning of the movie. You can see Tom make the long dead kick shot as well against McCready. If the movie shows Tom doing this stuff, then why would he need a double for the rest of the stuff that was easy? Im not saying Tom can shoot pool well, Im just saying it was actually Tom who made those shots.)

Also, notice how we never see "Julian" ever take a shot. Even when it shows Vincent, Eddie, Grady, and Julian all break at the same time in the end tournament the break for Julian and the player blurred out unlike the other four. Either this was a mistake or the actor was a horrible shot and didnt even know how to hold a cue.

Also if you look close, the majority of the object balls after being shot the cloth is colored just a light bit lighter under where the ball was, showing that these were all marked shots so the camera never had to keep adjusting for minor small angle changes.

Also look at the cues that a lot of the background players use, doesn't it look an awful lot like Vincent's Balabushka. That is because there were a bunch made for the movie (I forget who made the cues, I want to say Joss, but not sure) and they were given to extras to shoot with. I believe the only real Balabushka in the movie was the close up of the cue in the back room at Janelle's bar when Eddie gave it to him, but I'm still not certain on that.

And what the hell does Eddie's license plate mean? TK6?
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Good question.
 
Icon of Sin said:
And what the hell does Eddie's license plate mean? TK6?
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This is only guess at this point. Total Kills 6, total tournaments won?
Although there maybe a tip in the book?

Fast Eddie drinks "J.T.S. Brown." In one of the movie's snappy exchanges between Fats and Eddie, Fats says, "Preach! Go down and get me some White Tavern whiskey, a glass and some ice." Then Eddie says, "Preacher! Go on down and get me some bourbon. J. T. S. Brown. No ice, no glass."
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I have a virgin bottle and it is some 25+ years old. :D
 
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toomanybugs said:
I have a virgin bottle and it is some 25+ years old. :D
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I was looking for a bootle at the liquor store last night and couldnt find it, I looked in the past too. I dont think it is made anymore.
 
Icon of Sin said:
I was looking for a bootle at the liquor store last night and couldnt find it, I looked in the past too. I dont think it is made anymore.
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About 6 yrs ago I found it in a liquor store in Houston TX. They only had it in 1/2 gal bottles. Didn't want to lug it back home on the plane...
 
Icon of Sin said:
Had to jump in on this conversation as COM is my favorite pool movie and one of my favorite movies in general.

I read somewhere (gotta look it up again) that Tom Cruise did all the shots and breaks in COM EXCEPT for the jump shot. I dont know where "thebeast" got his info from, you can tell by the person playing that it was McCready. (Tom made the Masse shot off the 1 ball, and Tom ran out at Chalkies during the "Werewolves" bit. Tom also ran out and make some good shots against Julian in the beginning of the movie. You can see Tom make the long dead kick shot as well against McCready. If the movie shows Tom doing this stuff, then why would he need a double for the rest of the stuff that was easy? Im not saying Tom can shoot pool well, Im just saying it was actually Tom who made those shots.)

Also, notice how we never see "Julian" ever take a shot. Even when it shows Vincent, Eddie, Grady, and Julian all break at the same time in the end tournament the break for Julian and the player blurred out unlike the other four. Either this was a mistake or the actor was a horrible shot and didnt even know how to hold a cue.

Also if you look close, the majority of the object balls after being shot the cloth is colored just a light bit lighter under where the ball was, showing that these were all marked shots so the camera never had to keep adjusting for minor small angle changes.

Also look at the cues that a lot of the background players use, doesn't it look an awful lot like Vincent's Balabushka. That is because there were a bunch made for the movie (I forget who made the cues, I want to say Joss, but not sure) and they were given to extras to shoot with. I believe the only real Balabushka in the movie was the close up of the cue in the back room at Janelle's bar when Eddie gave it to him, but I'm still not certain on that.

And what the hell does Eddie's license plate mean? TK6?
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i always thought the license plate TK6 was ownd by Ted Kov ..........it's a long Greek name..i thought he owned several pool halls in Chicagoland one of which the movie was shot in but someone told me no.....?
 
cuejoey said:
i always thought the license plate TK6 was ownd by Ted Kov ..........it's a long Greek name..i thought he owned several pool halls in Chicagoland one of which the movie was shot in but someone told me no.....?
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All these years later, and we still don't know what the TK6 stands for?


:confused:
 
FWIW.....I've heard the TK6 story, but it's never been confirmed by anyone associated with the film. It is said that the car belonged to Tom Karabatsos, a Chicago-area guy. This tidbit of info would be a great addition AMC's airing when they flash trivia tidbits throughout the movie.

A buddy of mine has brought me several bottles of JTS Brown when he goes "home" to Ohio. He's usually in the Dayton area, so I'm assuming that's where he finds it. One thing we discovered over time is a difference in the labeling of the bottles. One bottle says "bottled in bond" or something similar, whereas the other doesn't. Anyone know anything about this notation?

Here's my contribution to the trivia collection.....

A couple of buddies and I took a Saturday several years ago and drove around Chicago to find a few of the rooms that were used in the movie. When we went to Northcenter Bowl, the bartender told us an interesting story. Northcenter Bowl is no longer. It was torn down and replaced by a Starbucks a few years ago. It was the room in the movie where Eddie got loaded and lost his a$$ to Amos...the famous "do you think I need to lose some weight" line. The room was on the 2nd floor and there was a long, steep stairway up to the entrance. Anyway, when Edddie tries to leave Vincent and Carmen, they make their way down the stairs and as Vincent gets upset, he grabs the hand railing and rips it off the wall. Apparently, this wasn't in the script, it was just something that happened. The producers liked it so much, they obviously left it in the movie. The bartendter told us that her aunt or someone in her family that owned the room at the time had the cast sign the railing and it was displayed in their home. These types of stories are the exact reason I wanted to find and visit these rooms.
 
ragbug74 said:
FWIW.....I've heard the TK6 story, but it's never been confirmed by anyone associated with the film. It is said that the car belonged to Tom Karabatsos, a Chicago-area guy. This tidbit of info would be a great addition AMC's airing when they flash trivia tidbits throughout the movie.

A buddy of mine has brought me several bottles of JTS Brown when he goes "home" to Ohio. He's usually in the Dayton area, so I'm assuming that's where he finds it. One thing we discovered over time is a difference in the labeling of the bottles. One bottle says "bottled in bond" or something similar, whereas the other doesn't. Anyone know anything about this notation?

Here's my contribution to the trivia collection.....

A couple of buddies and I took a Saturday several years ago and drove around Chicago to find a few of the rooms that were used in the movie. When we went to Northcenter Bowl, the bartender told us an interesting story. Northcenter Bowl is no longer. It was torn down and replaced by a Starbucks a few years ago. It was the room in the movie where Eddie got loaded and lost his a$$ to Amos...the famous "do you think I need to lose some weight" line. The room was on the 2nd floor and there was a long, steep stairway up to the entrance. Anyway, when Edddie tries to leave Vincent and Carmen, they make their way down the stairs and as Vincent gets upset, he grabs the hand railing and rips it off the wall. Apparently, this wasn't in the script, it was just something that happened. The producers liked it so much, they obviously left it in the movie. The bartendter told us that her aunt or someone in her family that owned the room at the time had the cast sign the railing and it was displayed in their home. These types of stories are the exact reason I wanted to find and visit these rooms.
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Great info. Thank you for posting that.:D
 
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