WingsFan said:
Myself, it is after having a good stiff shot......lolol.............mike
color of money's BIGGEST impact on pool...
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Myself, it is after having a good stiff shot......lolol.............mike
My list of TCOM positives:
- Sparked renewed interest in the game.
- Gave pool fans lots of cameos.
- We got to see Paul Newman play Fast Eddie again.
- Made the general public more aware that a pool cue can have historic and artistic value.
- Tom Cruise playing an Italian-American.
- Another time capsule of 80's fashion.
- A good actor like John Turturro was wasted on a bit part.
- Spawned a generation of cue twirlers.
- Should have stayed closer to the book.
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LC3 said:
Nice run down LC3!
I would like to see Edward Norton play a role like that.
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Colin Colenso said:Nice run down LC3!
I would like to see Edward Norton play a role like that.
I second Ed Norton
JAM said:Though not as realistic as "The Hustler," the movie in which I think the younger Paul Newman was excellent as Eddie, the plot of TCOM was actually reflective of pool in the '80s, a combination of high-profile tournaments such as the one at the Resorts in Atlantic City and action rooms sprinkled across the land and frequented by a variety of player types.
Bingo! Whether The Color of Money is a realistic as The Hustler makes no difference at all.
Using a very contrived character as a vehicle to offer a panoramic view of an aspect of his society was not beneath the dignity of Charles Dickens and in no way detracted from the quality of the pictures of society that Dickens painted through the written word. I believe that The Color of Money's use of the admittedly implausible Vincent is similarly effective.
In The Color of Money, through the eyes of Vincent, we get to see:
small time barbox betting
bigtime barbox betting
players good enough to make it on the road
players not good enough to make it on the road
the hustling scene and its underlying morality
trashtalking and gamesmanship
dumping and its implications
mentor/student tension
the pre-tournament scene
the tournament scene
the tournament side action scene
and much, much more. Guess what I'm saying is that I don't feel that Vincent's implausibility as a character in any way detracts from the film, which offers far more insight into the pool scene than The Hustler.
I doubt any pool player will ever give a stronger performance in a pool-reated movie than Keith gave as Grady Seasons. He was, quite simply, superb.
The Color of Money will always be my favorite pool movie. If it reenforced some of the game's more seedy stereotypes as some suggest, it doens't matter, because it was honest and objective in its inspection of life around the glorious green felt. A classic that will endure!
You missed your calling as a reviewer sir!sjm said:
bobroberts said:
3rd and 4th that!!!!!!!!!!
He needs more good rolls
maybe a possible 3rd edition to the this. Vince goes and visits eddie's graves and rah or sometin poetic or i dunno.............dont look at me!!!!!!!!!!
Heck,cajunbarboxplyr said:
Paul Newman's looking for roles. How about him training his grandson to be the new hustler / tournament champion.
Any producers out their? I'll put together a script draft
hehehe guess Eddie did get Carmen in the shower 
Since they deviated from the novel so much anyway, it would have made a great movie if they had done it when Jackie Gleason and George C. Scott were both still alive. Fast Eddie and Minnesota Fats playing each other again with Bert Gordon backing the action.... Now that would have been a pool movie. Wonder what the outcome would have been?
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Have you read the book? It starts out with Eddie going to visit Fats, and they end up playing in a cross-country series of games. Tevis expanded on his characters masterfully. I don't recall Bert being in the book.lunchmoney said:
I don't have a beef with Vincent in the movie, but Tom Cruise was a poor choice for the roll. Had somebody like Edward Norton done that roll, the movie would've had a different nuance and, I suspect, been better.
I don't even mind that they took Fast Eddie in a different direction on screen, but I wish they hadn't used the same title as the book. I'm sure the right people gave approval, but I think it was in questionable taste to use the same name as the book when the story was completely different.
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LC3 said:
I have read the book several times LC3. If I remember correctly Fats made a comment that Bert had died. I was thinking of a high stakes match in a pool room just like the two times they played in the Hustler with Bert getting his hands in it. I just think it would have been a great movie. Since the movie resurrected Fast Eddie, why not Fats and Bert too?
I agree with what you say, Tom Cruise was not the best choice in my opinion either. I tried to think of talented actors back in the '80s and came up empty. Maybe they should have given the role to Keith McCready, a real pool player would have been more believable.
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McCready should do what Basavich is doing... getting a movie actually made. The Adventures of Kid Delicious and Bristol Bob will also have a book I hear.
I just watched the McCready/Mathews one pocket match form Derby City and on the commentary Deliberto tells how he asked a 13 year old Keith:
"Shouldn't you be in school or something?"
"Naw, they kicked me out"
"For what?"
"For having too much money"
Turns out Keith was nervous about leaving his cash in his gym locker so he asked the teacher to hold his money. The guy says ok, how much do you have?
Keith tells him 36,000 dollars. They kick him out of school.
Danny D. says Keith busted the payball game on the snooker table at Hardtimes in Bellflower two weeks in a row against California best players when he was 13.
I just watched the McCready/Mathews one pocket match form Derby City and on the commentary Deliberto tells how he asked a 13 year old Keith:
"Shouldn't you be in school or something?"
"Naw, they kicked me out"
"For what?"
"For having too much money"
Turns out Keith was nervous about leaving his cash in his gym locker so he asked the teacher to hold his money. The guy says ok, how much do you have?
Keith tells him 36,000 dollars. They kick him out of school.
Danny D. says Keith busted the payball game on the snooker table at Hardtimes in Bellflower two weeks in a row against California best players when he was 13.
bud green said:
Keith would have been a natural for Tom Cruise's role. I had read about the incident when he got kicked out of school for having 36K. I seem to remember Keith saying somewhere that he had had a good day at the track. ICBW
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I thought about him. He of course wouldn't have had any problems with the Italian-American aspect of the role (not that the ethnicity mattered for that role), and he would've brought more depth to the role. But I'm not sure he looked "...if you change your diaper" enough. Then again, he probably could've shaved off the beard and acted the part well enough to make it believable.Tons'O'fun said:
