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[jay helfert]

jjinfla...<<The jury in the criminal court could not find overwhelming proof he was guilty of the crime.>>

I get your point and agree with it but I just couldn't let the above comment go. In fact, the jury DID have overwhelming evidence of Simpson's guilt but elected not to convict him in part due to the incredibly inept prosecution.

Jim,

I was in that courtroom one day (O.J. no more than 15 feet away). When I saw the jury come in, with six black jurors, I KNEW he would not be convicted. I expected to see a hung jury, not an acquittal.

The one big mistake was trying the case in downtown L.A. and not in Santa Monica, where the murders took place. This was a bad D.A. decision and it cost them the case. In Santa Monica, there would have been no blacks on the jury and O.J. would have gone down.

 

[VonRhett]

Jim,
I was in that courtroom one day (O.J. no more than 15 feet away). When I saw the jury come in, with six black jurors, I KNEW he would not be convicted. I expected to see a hung jury, not an acquittal.
..... In Santa Monica, there would have been no blacks on the jury and O.J. would have gone down.

Ohhhhhh, boy. This could get good! I'm gonna duck!

<munch, munch, munch, slurp, munch, munch>

-von

 

[jay helfert]

Ohhhhhh, boy. This could get good! I'm gonna duck!

<munch, munch, munch, slurp, munch, munch>

-von

Believe me, I'm not the first to say this by far. Check out Vincent Buglioso's book about the case. He was the one who prosecuted the Manson killers and put them all away for life.

 

[cuetique]

Ohhhhhh, boy. This could get good! I'm gonna duck!

<munch, munch, munch, slurp, munch, munch>

-von

Welllllll....given that glaring statistical fact that public opinion on OJ's guilt/innocence broke almost exactly along racial lines, I'd say it's a perfectly fair, objective statement. Many such generalizations can have loaded connotations, and they are always risky, but this one is a fairminded observation of measurable data. PC'ers, siddown....

 

[SUPERSTAR]

Jim,

I was in that courtroom one day (O.J. no more than 15 feet away). When I saw the jury come in, with six black jurors, I KNEW he would not be convicted. I expected to see a hung jury, not an acquittal.

The one big mistake was trying the case in downtown L.A. and not in Santa Monica, where the murders took place. This was a bad D.A. decision and it cost them the case. In Santa Monica, there would have been no blacks on the jury and O.J. would have gone down.

So funny when someone actually has the balls to say something like this.
So do you know which way the black people voted? Was that information ever made public?
You don't think that any of the black people were capable of making sound judgements?

Seems to me that some of the white guys must have voted to aquit as well if he got off, right?

Tell us what you REALLY think.

 

[Roy Steffensen]

Ohhhhhh, boy. This could get good! I'm gonna duck!

<munch, munch, munch, slurp, munch, munch>

-von

Please hand me some of that popcorn!!!!

 

[VonRhett]

I made the GOOD STUFF for this one - KETTLE CORN!!
Here - have a tub full.
<munch, munch, munch, slurp>

Please hand me some of that popcorn!!!!

 

[ribdoner]

jjinfla...<<The jury in the criminal court could not find overwhelming proof he was guilty of the crime.>>

I get your point and agree with it but I just couldn't let the above comment go. In fact, the jury DID have overwhelming evidence of Simpson's guilt but elected not to convict him in part due to the incredibly inept prosecution.

I lost what little respect I had for our JUSTICE? system that day

 

[SUPERSTAR]

I lost what little respect I had for our JUSTICE? system that day

The system isn't about justice, the system is about who can and cannot afford a sound legal defense. THAT is what determines justice in this country.

If you are poor or a minority, odds are that you will have a far worse chance at BEATING the system that is in place at this time.

It just so happened that in the case of OJ, he COULD afford a good legal defense and the result reflected that.

Based on what JAY said, if the defense wasn't even presented, and the only thing the jurors heard was the prosecution, he's making it seem that it STILL would have come out not guilty/hung jury.

 

[rackmsuckr]

Welllllll....given that glaring statistical fact that public opinion on OJ's guilt/innocence broke almost exactly along racial lines, I'd say it's a perfectly fair, objective statement. Many such generalizations can have loaded connotations, and they are always risky, but this one is a fairminded observation of measurable data. PC'ers, siddown....

I don't think the jurors understood that this same DNA combination would not show up in the blood samples of six billion people or whatever. I think one of them stated that there aren't even that many people on earth. That is unbelievable!

DNA statistical chances explained: http://www.math.temple.edu/~paulos/oj.html

Jury - http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/Simpson/Jurypage.html

 

[jjinfla]

Jim,

I was in that courtroom one day (O.J. no more than 15 feet away). When I saw the jury come in, with six black jurors, I KNEW he would not be convicted. I expected to see a hung jury, not an acquittal.

The one big mistake was trying the case in downtown L.A. and not in Santa Monica, where the murders took place. This was a bad D.A. decision and it cost them the case. In Santa Monica, there would have been no blacks on the jury and O.J. would have gone down.

Yes, when you followed it on TV and they questioned black people they all said OJ didn't do it; when they questioned white people they all said OJ did it.

When Foreman was on the stand and said he never used the N word that was just so stupid. It would be impossible to find a cop who has not used the N word. so that put the doubt in the minds of the jurors that evidence could have been planted by racist white cops and since one detective was walking around with a bottle of blood specimen it would not have been all that hard to do. Same with dropping a glove.

I wasn't there so I have no idea what the cops did. But it looked like everyone wanted to be a TV star.

When the verdict was announced and OJ was standing there with his three attorneys and the verdict was announced the look on Cardashian's (sp) face was priceless. I can almost hear him say "Oh s...". It was a look of utter astonishment.

At that level it is not a question of who is or is not guilty but just who has the smarter attorney. In this case OJ's attorney's had no competition.

Both white attorneys are now deceased and OJ is down here in Florida playing golf and romancing the white women. At least that is what was shown on TV not too long ago.

Jake

 

[SUPERSTAR]

Jim,

I was in that courtroom one day (O.J. no more than 15 feet away). When I saw the jury come in, with six black jurors, I KNEW he would not be convicted. I expected to see a hung jury, not an acquittal.

The one big mistake was trying the case in downtown L.A. and not in Santa Monica, where the murders took place. This was a bad D.A. decision and it cost them the case. In Santa Monica, there would have been no blacks on the jury and O.J. would have gone down.

Did you ever talk to Cliff about it?!

 

[SUPERSTAR]

So when you staked Cliff in the IPT stuff, did that make you feel like the SLAVE MASTER?

Since Cliff was your horse, did you feel like he was your BOY?!

And this comes from the same guy who started a thread for single guys about importing his girlfriend from CHINA and how those women are the best. (which has since been suspiciously removed)

Let me guess, she is demure and "knows her place"

Be interesting to know what things come out of your mouth when SHE pisses you off.

Your true colors are showing.

What a shame.

 

[av84fun]

SUPERSTAR...<<It just so happened that in the case of OJ, he COULD afford a good legal defense and the result reflected that.>>

No disrespect to the Dream Team..but OJ skated AT LEAST as much due to one of THE most botched prosecutions in modern history as to the efforts of the Dream Team...THEY didn't know that the stinking glove had SHRUNK!!

 

[av84fun]

justnum...<<Criminial prosecutions dont pay back victims they pay the government who handles the bulk of the work.>>

Sure they do...not always and hardly ever fully but RESTITUTION is absolutely one of the penalties sought in money crimes.

Regards,
Jim

 

[Fleece3]

Jim,

I was in that courtroom one day (O.J. no more than 15 feet away). When I saw the jury come in, with six black jurors, I KNEW he would not be convicted. I expected to see a hung jury, not an acquittal.

The one big mistake was trying the case in downtown L.A. and not in Santa Monica, where the murders took place. This was a bad D.A. decision and it cost them the case. In Santa Monica, there would have been no blacks on the jury and O.J. would have gone down.

That is without a doubt the most devisive, racist statement I had ever read up here. Blacks convict Blacks everyday, Whites convict Whites everyday, Whites convicts Blacks, Blacks convicts Whites etc etc.

Your statement implies that "OJ got off because of the Black people on the jury". How then, my friend, do you explain the 6 non-Blacks not guilty vote? OJ "got off" for one reason, and one reason only.....The Dream Team kicked the prosecutions ass up and down that courtroom. It was the best defense money could buy. When you have HENRY LEE testifying "something wrong"...You have reasonable doubt!!

 

[av84fun]

Jay...Actually, due to a few substitutions, the FINAL jury...the ones that RULED were made up of 9 blacks, 1 hispanic and 2 whites.

We're getting WAY off the IPT topic here but we need a break from that crap so here goes...

The venue issue was tricky and almost a no-win proposition for the prosecution...(which I nevertheless believe was HORRIBLE).

As quoted below by asst. DA Hodgman...nearly all "long cause cases"...those that were expected to take more than 3 weeks were routinely assigned to the Downtown division regardless of where the crimes were committed since it has generally better facilities. In fact, most long-cause cases filed elsewhere were REMOVED to the Downtown division.


Given that, had they gone for Santa Monica, they would have...quite correctly...been accused of trying to "pack the jury" with whites.

They felt they had the blood evidence that would have made conviction unavoidable...and it SHOULD have been except that the prosecution BOTCHED the case so badly and so often...like the glove fiasco and putting Mark Furhman on the stand...the cop who perjured himself re: the use of the "N" word...and the ENDLESS presentation of the DNA evidence which not only hopelessly confused the jury but would have confused a panel of rocket scientists...because they would have SLEPT through most of it.

Personally, I think the verdict was "payback" for the Rodney King beatings. I am NOT taking ANY side on the racial aspects. Not gonna go there but I will say that if Simpson was white, black or BLUE and ORANGE he was guilty as sin and will rot in Hell...and that PLENTY of mostly black juries have convicted black criminals...and vice versa. In fact, most crimes committed by blacks are perpetrated by other blacks and the black jurors are, in general, NOT happy about that.

Quote from Hodgman interview


In terms of other things, there was a myth associated with the case, if you will, that somehow Gil Garcetti moved the case from the Santa Monica Judicial District or the West Judicial District downtown, and that was not the case. At the time, all long-cause cases in Los Angeles County were being tried on the very floor, in the very courthouse, here in downtown L.A. where the O.J. Simpson case was tried. Many, many cases, from Pomona to Long Beach to the Valley and elsewhere, which had a time estimate of three weeks or more all were being sent downtown, and unfortunately, it was a lot of murder cases, because the long-cause courtrooms could process those cases, try those cases faster. It was something that had been a subject of some dispute between my office and the courts.


http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/Simpson/finaljury.html

 

[jay helfert]

The system isn't about justice, the system is about who can and cannot afford a sound legal defense. THAT is what determines justice in this country.

If you are poor or a minority, odds are that you will have a far worse chance at BEATING the system that is in place at this time.

It just so happened that in the case of OJ, he COULD afford a good legal defense and the result reflected that.

Based on what JAY said, if the defense wasn't even presented, and the only thing the jurors heard was the prosecution, he's making it seem that it STILL would have come out not guilty/hung jury.

Forget all the DNA and blood evidence. The crucial day was when O.J. struggled mightily (nice acting by the way) to put on the glove. In the unforgetable words of Johnny Cochran "If it does not fit, you MUST acquit". and these boobs bought it hook, line and sinker.

Kind of reminds me of a recently failed pro pool tour. All evidence to the contrary, the show will go on, one of these years. In this case, the operating principle is "silence is golden". Or in the words of Deno the dino "Postponement please, we have not canceled". And now another quote from KT "........".

 

[Fleece3]

The crucial day was when O.J. struggled mightily (nice acting by the way) to put on the glove. In the unforgetable words of Johnny Cochran "If it does not fit, you MUST acquit". and these boobs bought it hook, line and sinker.

Have you seen OJ's movies???? He never had a "good acting day" in his life.

Love the fact that you called people that you don't know nor have you ever met "boobs"...Way to spread the love..partner In order to reach any other conclusion that the glove was not his..You would have had to speculate (the glove shrunk etc..) And, if you have ever served on a jury, you would know that you are NOT ALLOWED to do that. The prosecution SHOULD have come back with an expert stating WHY the glove didn't fit. Barring that, their case died that day.

 

[jay helfert]

Did you ever talk to Cliff about it?!

If you are implying I am afraid to broach this subject to a black man, you are mistaken. I have many friends of color and we discussed this case during and after its conclusion. Would I talk about it with Cliff if the subject came up; yes I would.

Super, one thing I have is the courage of my convictions. And I am not one to hold my tongue. Especially if something foul is afoot. You have no idea how vocal I have been about the Bush administration, including writing letters to the editor of the LA Times that have been printed. But that is a subject for non pool related.

I remember coming home from court that day, and telling all my friends that OJ would get off. I felt sure there would be a hung jury. How wrong I was.