Conceding at Derby City
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Well let's go straight to the source and see what he thinks of Shaw conceding...
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Somewhere around the 29:00 mark.
Scott gives it to Jayson pretty hard throughout most of the video though. Kinda hypocritical if he indeed did concede down 3-6 to Morra in a race to 9. Think he's trying to clean up his act and pretend to be a saint so Matchroom can continue to let him commentate in future events. There's a plethora of Frost antics on YouTube lol.
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Somewhere around the 29:00 mark.
Scott gives it to Jayson pretty hard throughout most of the video though. Kinda hypocritical if he indeed did concede down 3-6 to Morra in a race to 9. Think he's trying to clean up his act and pretend to be a saint so Matchroom can continue to let him commentate in future events. There's a plethora of Frost antics on YouTube lol.
AZslim
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Well let's go straight to the source and see what he thinks of Shaw conceding...
“The Real Pool Talks” PODCAST | EPISODE 9 | AFTER DERBY…
Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.
Somewhere around the 29:00 mark.
Scott gives it to Jayson pretty hard throughout most of the video though. Kinda hypocritical if he indeed did concede down 3-6 to Morra in a race to 9. Think he's trying to clean up his act and pretend to be a saint so Matchroom can continue to let him commentate in future events. There's a plethora of Frost antics on YouTube lol.
Here's the video. Was Frost really giving Shaw a hard time for the same thing?
perfectly fine to concede whenever you want. besides every time morra broke he was making 2 or 3 balls. what kind of equipment allows that to happen.
for 9 ball to last the beak has to be changed at the very least. its no fun to watch and heavily favors the one who has the break figured out for the table.
for 9 ball to last the beak has to be changed at the very least. its no fun to watch and heavily favors the one who has the break figured out for the table.
well, it's the loose pockets and the bigger break box. they went from 4.25" back to 4.5". i think it made sense to change back considering the amount of amateur players, it's a pro-am after all. the downside is it becomes easier for the pros because that the wing ball will go more often, which makes the break much easier than just hoping for the 1 ball in the side. morra has a very good break.
dendweller
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You woulda thought he'd of been a little non commital about giving an opinion on that subject for sure. Maybe a "hey, I don't think it's right but I've been in his shoes..."
I don`t see what one thing has to do with the other. Giving away a 9 ball is hardly the same as packing up and quitting down 5 zip.
dendweller
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Maybe I'm wrong, but it looked to me like he didn't just concede a 9, he quit when he was down 6 - 3 in a race to 9, so they are pretty close. Did you watch it?
the score was probably wrong, as they were many times in the side table streams
dendweller
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that is possible
dendweller
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Think you're right, I watched it on youtube, the guy says in the beginning they got started late on that table so they didn't know what the score was.
AZslim
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Ah, this makes sense. Sorry to create a bogus thread.
Sadly, pro pool players don't view themselves as entertainers indebted to the viewers that, ultimately, pay their wages.
Quitting in most sports encounters brings shame. It was in 1980 that Roberto Duran said "no mas" and quit mid-match in his bout with Sugar Ray Leonard and we're still talking about it. Even in his own country, Duran's image took a nosedive and he lost many of his endorsements.
Sports fans don't like it when the players they follow "give up." One day, pro pool players, as a group, will agree. Until then, they must drop the rhetoric about being the equals of those playing other sports and worthy of similar compensation.
Let's hope the 49ers and Chiefs don't decide to "chop" and share the NFL championship instead of playing the Super Bowl. Oh wait, NFL players understand their indebtedness to their fans, so we probably don't need to worry about football players shortchanging those who follow the sport.
Quitting in most sports encounters brings shame. It was in 1980 that Roberto Duran said "no mas" and quit mid-match in his bout with Sugar Ray Leonard and we're still talking about it. Even in his own country, Duran's image took a nosedive and he lost many of his endorsements.
Sports fans don't like it when the players they follow "give up." One day, pro pool players, as a group, will agree. Until then, they must drop the rhetoric about being the equals of those playing other sports and worthy of similar compensation.
Let's hope the 49ers and Chiefs don't decide to "chop" and share the NFL championship instead of playing the Super Bowl. Oh wait, NFL players understand their indebtedness to their fans, so we probably don't need to worry about football players shortchanging those who follow the sport.
Badpenguin
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This is the old argument that one often hears from the players, which is "when I make more money, I'll present and conduct myself with more respect for my sport." Unfortunately, this is circular logic, for until they present and conduct themselves with more respect for their sport, they will continue to scare off many of those who might help fill their pockets.
Pay them more and you'll fix their image is no business plan at all. Get them to present themselves with greater respect for their sport so that pool becomes more marketable is a business plan.
Some people I respect a great deal in this thread but as usual, pool is different from a sport that you can count on paying the bills. Pool is first and foremost about surviving short term for almost everyone. Seven year four hundred million or even forty million dollar contracts? A pool player's head would explode if they got a seven year four million dollar contract!
As long as pool survival is hand to mouth players will do what is best at the moment. I can put together great looking five and ten year plans to get men's pro pool off the ground but I'll play hell selling these plans to people whose long term plan is to catch up the rent payments and not be paying them one day short of an eviction notice.
Particularly at the Derby, forfeits are often strategic as the grind gets long deep into the week. "Odds of cashing here are slim but I'll be playing all day." On the other hand, a forfeit, six hours rest, maybe a little cash from action, and ready to get back into the saddle in an event I stand a good chance of cashing in, and at least a chance of cashing big if I am ready to play instead of exhausted from beating this dead horse.
When I pulled a race car around it cost me $400-$500 a weekend to compete two nights locally. One big out of town event was going to cost me three times that or more. I knew my expectations racing locally and I had two strings in my bow. A flat tire or wreck would probably not hurt the other night's racing. Hitting the road, the expenses were pretty much fixed. Running numbers for a typical finish, an unusually strong finish, and a lousy Did Not Cash finish, I had to think long and hard before taking two-thousand out of the piggy bank to go race the big event. Knowing how I operated I can't really blame pool players for trying to maximize income. I think it is bad for the "sport of pool" but for many players it is necessary for survival.
Hu
As long as pool survival is hand to mouth players will do what is best at the moment. I can put together great looking five and ten year plans to get men's pro pool off the ground but I'll play hell selling these plans to people whose long term plan is to catch up the rent payments and not be paying them one day short of an eviction notice.
Particularly at the Derby, forfeits are often strategic as the grind gets long deep into the week. "Odds of cashing here are slim but I'll be playing all day." On the other hand, a forfeit, six hours rest, maybe a little cash from action, and ready to get back into the saddle in an event I stand a good chance of cashing in, and at least a chance of cashing big if I am ready to play instead of exhausted from beating this dead horse.
When I pulled a race car around it cost me $400-$500 a weekend to compete two nights locally. One big out of town event was going to cost me three times that or more. I knew my expectations racing locally and I had two strings in my bow. A flat tire or wreck would probably not hurt the other night's racing. Hitting the road, the expenses were pretty much fixed. Running numbers for a typical finish, an unusually strong finish, and a lousy Did Not Cash finish, I had to think long and hard before taking two-thousand out of the piggy bank to go race the big event. Knowing how I operated I can't really blame pool players for trying to maximize income. I think it is bad for the "sport of pool" but for many players it is necessary for survival.
Hu
This doesn't jive with my observations over the years. In the early rounds of the Derby, you have an eternity between matches. By the time you get to about Round 7, when conserving energy matters, you're already in the money and looking for more. Only the top handful of players have the issue of being busy because they remain in several events, and I am not aware of any strategic forfeits from them.
I don't agree with it, but IMO pro pool players can quit mid-match anytime they want as long as there's no official sanctioning body for professional pool (fines, contracts, etc). Really, who are their obligations to besides themselves if there's no big sponsorship backing them.