Confused about vision center.

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tonythetiger583

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So I've been having this issue with cross-eye dominance. And I think I've just confused myself more than ever. I don't really know how to word it, but I think I've forgotten how to line things up straight.

I don't know how to explain it.

When I go to line something up naturally, I can now tell that I'm using my right-eye, and I perceive the straight line on the right side of my nose.

So part of me knows that I've lined up the two points in a straight line.
The other part of me knows that it's on the right side of my body.

So I don't know what to do with this information. Do I try to do all my aiming like this, and then when I land, make sure my cue is under my right eye, so that everything looks correct?

I just don't know where to proceed from here. Also, I feel like even though my chin is in the same place each time, my head is still tilting in inconsistent directions each time (this is just me trying to guess at why sometimes the shot looks right, and I still miss). Is there any way to make this area of my game more consistent?
 
I'd suggest you get Gene Albrecht's Perfect Aim DVD & then make the complimentary phone call to him before you even look at it.

I've played for 47+ years 'knowing' I was right eye dominant only for Gene to show me beyond doubt that FOR POOL & for seeing & aligning the cue to the straight line I'm actually left eye dominant.

It's amazing how some of us can overcome such obstacles reasonably well while others struggle so with them.

Good Luck with whatever you decide.

Best 2 You & All,
Rick
 
tonythetiger583 said:
Follow-up question: If I line up my head over my cue the same correct way each time, will correct shots look correct?
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Yes correct shots look correct. Depending on how long and how off you have been playing with your vision centre off the mark, you may have a warped view of what looks right and what looks wrong.

I'm left eye dominant but play with the cue central between my eyes and sight in the upright position with both eyes. Everyone is different. Just set up some straight shots. You know the line of aim goes from centre cue ball to centre object ball...stand in a way that you can see a virtual line from both centres and the shot looks right. As you get down, keep the head position locked and the eyes focused on the object ball. Do not flick between CB and OB when getting down for this. When you are down take note of how the eyes and head is placed. Shoot the shot as a stop shot and see if you can stop the CB dead with no side spin. If you can you have your vision centre spot on. It is a simple test, and usually people can aim and sight perfectly when stood up but don't lock their vision onto a specific target as they get down but instead flick the eyes around looking at multiple things and that moves your vision centre slightly off when down and you shoot shots with unintentional side spin.
 
tonythetiger583 said:
So I've been having this issue with cross-eye dominance. And I think I've just confused myself more than ever. I don't really know how to word it, but I think I've forgotten how to line things up straight.

I don't know how to explain it.

When I go to line something up naturally, I can now tell that I'm using my right-eye, and I perceive the straight line on the right side of my nose.

So part of me knows that I've lined up the two points in a straight line.
The other part of me knows that it's on the right side of my body.

So I don't know what to do with this information. Do I try to do all my aiming like this, and then when I land, make sure my cue is under my right eye, so that everything looks correct?

I just don't know where to proceed from here. Also, I feel like even though my chin is in the same place each time, my head is still tilting in inconsistent directions each time (this is just me trying to guess at why sometimes the shot looks right, and I still miss). Is there any way to make this area of my game more consistent?
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Are you sure you have a "vision center" ? I am asking because I don't have one. I know it works for some players. But for me and the way my vision works, this "vision center" thing is nonsense.
 
ps611846 said:
Are you sure you have a "vision center" ? I am asking because I don't have one. I know it works for some players. But for me and the way my vision works, this "vision center" thing is nonsense.
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"Vision center" just means there's one head position that gives you the most accurate view of the shot line. Are you saying you have your head in different positions for different shots?

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
"Vision center" just means there's one head position that gives you the most accurate view of the shot line. Are you saying you have your head in different positions for different shots?

pj
chgo
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Exactly. Depending on the direction of the cut. This means that I don't have a "vision center". And this could be the problem for many players. Because everyone tells them to find their "vision center". I can't find mine and it doesn't exist. So, for many players the vision center thing is bs.
 
Originally Posted by Patrick Johnson View Post
"Vision center" just means there's one head position that gives you the most accurate view of the shot line. Are you saying you have your head in different positions for different shots?

pj
chgo



[ps611846;5124394]Exactly. Depending on the direction of the cut. This means that I don't have a "vision center". And this could be the problem for many players. Because everyone tells them to find their "vision center". I can't find mine and it doesn't exist. So, for many players the vision center thing is bs.
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Visually seeing the shot line and your cue stick on the same line is not BS. Whether or not players get a benefit is a different subject. But there is a head position for everyone to see it this way.

The theory behind setting up this way is seeing the shot line and your cue stick line as one, encourages a repeatable straight stroke down that line.
 
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ronscuba said:
Visually seeing the shot line and your cue stick on the same line is not BS. Whether or not players get a benefit is a different subject. But there is a head position for everyone to see it this way.

The theory behind setting up this way is seeing the shot line and your cue stick line as one, encourages a repeatable straight stroke down that line.
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I agree with you. Just saying that it's possible to not only have ONE head position, or focal point, or vision center.... for every shot.
 
ps611846 said:
Just saying that it's possible to not only have ONE head position, or focal point, or vision center.... for every shot.
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I'm guessing your vision center moving around means your eye dominance shifts depending on which way you're looking.

I've been able to train myself to focus all my visual "attention" on my dominant eye while aiming/shooting, which makes seeing shots much easier. But I had a strongly dominant eye already and it sounds like your eye dominance isn't so pronounced. Maybe you'll learn to work with it and help your visual attention to focus more on whatever eye is being dominant at the time.

Somebody must have mentioned Perfect Aim...?

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
I'm guessing your vision center moving around means your eye dominance shifts depending on which way you're looking.

I've been able to train myself to focus all my visual "attention" on my dominant eye while aiming/shooting, which makes seeing shots much easier. But I had a strongly dominant eye already and it sounds like your eye dominance isn't so pronounced. Maybe you'll learn to work with it and help your visual attention to focus more on whatever eye is being dominant at the time.

Somebody must have mentioned Perfect Aim...?

pj
chgo
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Thanks. I know what's going on with my vision and visual perception. I think I have nothing more to learn about this. What I have to learn is position play.
 
ps611846 said:
Are you sure you have a "vision center" ? I am asking because I don't have one. I know it works for some players. But for me and the way my vision works, this "vision center" thing is nonsense.
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Some players?

I'd be very interested if you could name just ONE top level player in any cue sport that has their head in different positions relative to the cue on varying shots.
 
tonythetiger583 said:
So I've been having this issue with cross-eye dominance. And I think I've just confused myself more than ever. I don't really know how to word it, but I think I've forgotten how to line things up straight.

I don't know how to explain it.

When I go to line something up naturally, I can now tell that I'm using my right-eye, and I perceive the straight line on the right side of my nose.

So part of me knows that I've lined up the two points in a straight line.
The other part of me knows that it's on the right side of my body.

So I don't know what to do with this information. Do I try to do all my aiming like this, and then when I land, make sure my cue is under my right eye, so that everything looks correct?

I just don't know where to proceed from here. Also, I feel like even though my chin is in the same place each time, my head is still tilting in inconsistent directions each time (this is just me trying to guess at why sometimes the shot looks right, and I still miss). Is there any way to make this area of my game more consistent?
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OMG.... you are the victim of a Vulcan mind worm...........

I have an idea........ why don't you stop thinking and just play pool... if you miss shots, adjust your methods and practice until you get better....

Don't dissect it.... play it.............

Kim
 
BeiberLvr said:
Some players?

I'd be very interested if you could name just ONE top level player in any cue sport that has their head in different positions relative to the cue on varying shots.
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Francisco Bustamante. Are you ok with this Mr "I know everything" ??????
 
ps611846 said:
Francisco Bustamante. Are you ok with this Mr "I know everything" ??????
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Every image of him I found shows the cue closer to his right eye.

I did see one image where it at least appeared to be more centered between both eyes.
 
So I got my buddy to help me shoot straight in shots tnigt. Figured out that when it looks straight in and when it is straight in, my right eye is directly over my cue, but my nose is angled away from the cue.

Ive also begun looking straight down and Ive memorized the angle of the joint portion of the shaft and how it comes across my face. Then I move my head straight back up in the same motion.
 
tonythetiger583 said:
So I got my buddy to help me shoot straight in shots tnigt. Figured out that when it looks straight in and when it is straight in, my right eye is directly over my cue, but my nose is angled away from the cue.

Ive also begun looking straight down and Ive memorized the angle of the joint portion of the shaft and how it comes across my face. Then I move my head straight back up in the same motion.
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What if you're twisting your back hand just a bit when you shoot and it's not that you can see the shot better now, but that you've somehow aligned yourself to make the twist work for you?

I'm not saying that you are doing that but how do you know your problems aren't in your fundamentals?
 
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